Interstellar - Part 7

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But honestly, if you've seen Transformers 1/2 you've seen them all, why keep spending money on a franchise with the cerebral development of a cartoon show? I'm generalizing here, but I sometimes wish people had higher standards than they seem to.

Watch out now, that's an insult to quite a few cartoons...especially Batman: The Animated Series. Heck, the 80's Transformers cartoon had more cerebral development than Bay's franchise.
 
Great post. Anything popular attracts haters, it's just the way it is.

It's not simply the fact that they go out of their way to hate or find fault with anything Nolan does, it's that they display a staggering amount of hypocrisy while doing so.

Take this film for example; they jump at the chance to state that the reviews are "Proof" that Nolan isn't great, yet if you're ripping on Nolan at all, it's pretty obvious that you don't give two figs about RT or Metacritic in the first place.

Or stating that the dismal reviews of a film where Nolan had no more influence than "letting his subordinate fish around in the creases of his couch for budget funds" (Transcendence) is all his fault, while completely ignoring the even worse producer credits of men like Scorsese (Kicked in the Head, Revenge of the Green Dragons), Spielberg (Transformers) and Tarantino (Hell Ride, Four Rooms) to try and justify their superiority.

OR, as I mentioned earlier, letting other critically acclaimed directors with worse "bottom" films slide.
 
Some people will hate a popular movie just for spite.
 
I've been dutifully avoiding spoilers while trying my best to skim reviews just to get a feel for their thoughts and impressions and I've yet to come across anything that I think will severely disappoint me when I see the movie myself.

The RT % really means nothing to me. this is one of those kinds of movies where I really think that engaging with what the critics are actually saying is important (though, yes, hard to do completely when you're trying to stay spoiler-free). There are a couple outright pans but most of the "negative" or middling reviews have some very strong praise mixed in with what they perceive to be the movie's "flaws," and most of those flaws are present in just about every Nolan movie to date. i guess it's a good thing that i like Nolan movies.

obviously, i want Nolan to grow as an artist, too, but it really does sound like he has, both aesthetically and in terms of emotional storytelling (or at least he's trying to push himself in those areas). some are finding fault with the lack of grace in the exposition and some convoluted and/or unnecessary aspects, etc., but i wasn't expecting Nolan to grow out of those particular traits on this big-scale, ambitious sci-fi passion project.

you also read the reviews and get a strong impression that this is a film that's trying to say something. that's to be lauded. Gravity, for instance, was all about the experience and immersion and was technically virtuosic, its basic themes and storytelling rendered simply to serve that end, and so in that way it was virtually critic-proof. i enjoyed that effective experience very much in the theater, but at the end of the day it is not a movie i'm going to return to much at home, or spend much time thinking about or discussing. i'm not saying Interstellar will be that type of movie, but it sounds like it is, and i'm hoping.

maybe i will agree with some of the reviewers that have major issues with some of the choices that the film makes in what it tries to say or how it says it (but there is no consensus there, you read one review that lauds one part of the movie while slamming another while another review does the exact opposite; i'm seeing some very diverse reactions to the film's ending...heh, still while i'm trying not to find out what the ending is). to me, that's a good kind of polarizing, because obviously there is a film with some considerable merit to it--in terms of conceptual ambition and some technical aspects, if nothing else--but it is going to engage with viewers in very different ways and generate an interesting dialogue. and what's fun with that, too, is the huge array of opinions that will be brought to the table because everyone and their mother watches Nolan movies, as opposed to provocate smaller films that people get to see in NY and LA and then maybe the rest of us get to catch if we live in a big enough city.
 
When did Empire not give a Nolan film 5 out of 5? :funny:

Memento and The Prestige both received a 4/5 from Empire, while Nolan's four straight big budget blockbusters have all received a 5/5. Haven't seen Interstellar, but I can't say I agree with their past ratings.
 
Watch out now, that's an insult to quite a few cartoons...especially Batman: The Animated Series. Heck, the 80's Transformers cartoon had more cerebral development than Bay's franchise.

Haha apologies, you are correct. It's strange, as I typed that I thought of BTAS, probably one of the best cartoons out there.
 
There are a couple outright pans but most of the "negative" or middling reviews have some very strong praise mixed in with what they perceive to be the movie's "flaws," and most of those flaws are present in just about every Nolan movie to date. i guess it's a good thing that i like Nolan movies.

obviously, i want Nolan to grow as an artist, too, but it really does sound like he has, both aesthetically and in terms of emotional storytelling (or at least he's trying to push himself in those areas). some are finding fault with the lack of grace in the exposition and some convoluted and/or unnecessary aspects, etc., but i wasn't expecting Nolan to grow out of those particular traits on this big-scale, ambitious sci-fi passion project.

My feelings exactly. To a tee.
 
I saw the film! I gave this a 100/100.

My favorite part is when the spaceship transforms into a Lincoln car, and McConaughey starts to play with his fingers. Chastain and Anne were in the backseat begging him to speed it up to 88 mph, but McConaughey calmly waits for the bull to move. If the only thing keeping a person interested, is the expectation of divine reviews, then, brother, that person is a piece of ****.

Credits.
 
There is something more to it: his crazy fans send people over the edge in the other direction. Human nature to run the other way when you feel something is massively overhyped and being shoved down your throat by other people.

Not saying you're wrong because you're right but...what if it's justified, his hype as a filmmaker?
 
Not saying you're wrong because you're right but...what if it's justified, his hype as a filmmaker?

He is a good mainstream director and the hype is justified if that's the only way you refer to him, but the fanboys hyping him as the second coming of Kubrick is insane. There will never be another Kubrick and nothing Nolan has done is even close to the quality or influence of films like Dr. Strangelove and 2001.
 
I saw the film! I gave this a 100/100.

My favorite part is when the spaceship transforms into a Lincoln car, and McConaughey starts to play with his fingers. Chastain and Anne were in the backseat begging him to speed it up to 88 mph, but McConaughey calmly waits for the bull to move. If the only thing keeping a person interested, is the expectation of divine reviews, then, brother, that person is a piece of ****.

Credits.

You win this thread. :applaud
 
He is a good mainstream director and the hype is justified if that's the only way you refer to him, but the fanboys hyping him as the second coming of Kubrick is insane. There will never be another Kubrick and nothing Nolan has done is even close to the quality or influence of films like Dr. Strangelove and 2001.

Oh, I agree with you there, in terms of the Kubrick comparison. It's always been stupid.

But him as one of the best filmmakers/artists of the modern era? Not gonna lie, I'll put him over Cameron easily. I'd put him over a lot of the lot.
 
Oh, I agree with you there, in terms of the Kubrick comparison. It's always been stupid.

But him as one of the best filmmakers/artists of the modern era? Not gonna lie, I'll put him over Cameron easily. I'd put him over a lot of the lot.

I think there are a lot of better filmmakers out there than him, but he is one of the best mainstream blockbuster guys along with Cameron, Spielberg, Bird, and Abrams.

Whedon will probably join that club soon once he gets another big movie or two under his belt (assuming he keeps kicking butt like he did on the Avengers).
 
I think there are a lot of better filmmakers out there than him, but he is one of the best mainstream blockbuster guys along with Cameron, Spielberg, Bird, and Abrams.

Whedon will probably join that club soon once he gets another big movie or two under his belt (assuming he keeps kicking butt like he did on the Avengers).

I love bald Whedon. I love giving him baths, but, I will only add him to that list when he has a hit not involving a cbm.
 
I think there are a lot of better filmmakers out there than him, but he is one of the best mainstream blockbuster guys along with Cameron, Spielberg, Bird, and Abrams.

Whedon will probably join that club soon once he gets another big movie or two under his belt (assuming he keeps kicking butt like he did on the Avengers).

See, I can't put Spielberg in Nolan's category. Like Kubrick, I'm of the belief that Spielberg has his own universe in comparison to everyone else.

I mean, ****, the 'Berg did a war film from a horse's perspective. And yeah, I know the 'Berg is mainstream but goodness, that man....
 
See, I can't put Spielberg in Nolan's category. Like Kubrick, I'm of the belief that Spielberg has his own universe in comparison to everyone else.

I mean, ****, the 'Berg did a war film from a horse's perspective. And yeah, I know the 'Berg is mainstream but goodness, that man....

My love for Spielberg has faded with the years.

I'm sad to admit.
 
See, I can't put Spielberg in Nolan's category. Like Kubrick, I'm of the belief that Spielberg has his own universe in comparison to everyone else.

I mean, ****, the 'Berg did a war film from a horse's perspective. And yeah, I know the 'Berg is mainstream but goodness, that man....

Don't get me wrong, he's awesome and has a much wider variety of films than Nolan or pretty much anyone else you might care to mention. I just meant in terms of ability do a big blockbuster, Spielberg is obviously in the elite group of names.
 
Don't get me wrong, he's awesome and has a much wider variety of films than Nolan or pretty much anyone else you might care to mention. I just meant in terms of ability do a big blockbuster, Spielberg is obviously in the elite group of names.

Yeah.
 
It's interesting how Bird's name has catapulted so quickly to that elite group in fan circles. I mean don't get me wrong, his animation work is absolutely incredible (no pun intended) and I loved Ghost Protocol as much as the next guy, but I'm going to need to see his live action filmography expand a bit more before I can make that call. I have a lot of confidence that Tomorrowland could indeed the thing that takes him to the next level, but I can't group him with the big boys of blockbuster filmmaking purely on potential.

As for Nolan and where he stands with the big boys...I think John Campea's take on it is pretty reasonable:

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Nolan is a better filmmaker than Spielberg. And more complete too, meaning that he is, not only a great director, but also an outstanding writer. Spielberg is more influential and has a much longer career, but that doesn´t mean he is more talented than Nolan. Sure, he is very good at taking other people´s ideas and making a movie out of it, but i´m still waiting to see Spielberg showing the ability to direct and write on his own something like Inception or Memento.
 
obviously, i want Nolan to grow as an artist, too, but it really does sound like he has, both aesthetically and in terms of emotional storytelling (or at least he's trying to push himself in those areas). some are finding fault with the lack of grace in the exposition and some convoluted and/or unnecessary aspects, etc., but i wasn't expecting Nolan to grow out of those particular traits on this big-scale, ambitious sci-fi passion project.

Generally, I find Nolan’s use of dialogue and exposition to be skillful and appropriate. Now, some folks know enough Writing 101 to have heard the “show, don’t tell” adage or understand that “info dumps” are to be avoided (or at least minimized). So when such a violation of the “rules” is observed in a Nolan film, they automatically cry foul. But exposition isn’t universally bad; sometimes, it actually has dramatic/thematic purpose. :word:

The Matrix, for instance, is chock-a-block exposition. Likewise, understanding “Wing Attack Plan R” and how the “CRM 114” recall code worked were rather crucial pieces of information in Dr. Strangelove.
 
I think Spielberg's days of greatness are well behind him, but I think in the '70s, '80s, and early-mid '90s, he was maybe the greatest director in the world, and has more films considered "classics" to his name than any other living director, and maybe any directors period.

Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, Jurassic Park, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Indiana Jones.

I consider James Cameron and Christopher Nolan among the best filmmakers working today. Cameron has only done a handful of films, but every one of them has been awesome, IMO, and pretty much every time he does a movie, he singlehandedly brings technology and visual effects forward into a new era. T2 was the first movie to use CGI in a big way, Avatar took motion capture another step forward, taking what The Lord of the Rings achieved with Gollum and doing it on a larger, more photorealistic scale and paving the way for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, etc.

Cameron is a true innovator and trailblazer.
 
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