"Intervention" Episode 12 Discussion Thread

[Nathan]

Now you're not just seeing it right. Brock was furious at PETER for taking the pictures, his best friend and the one person who should have respected Connor and his family, so of course when he found that one of his own friends did that, wouldn't his anger be justified?

To the point that, as Venom, he wants to kill him over pictures? No. Then again, Venom has probably killed people in the comics for less.

Anyway, IMO the development wasn't all that great. It started out good with Eddie starting to get angry at Pete, but instead of developing the hate further over several Episodes, Eddie suddenly disappeared somewhere in the middle. Then he shows up again when the alien is brought to Conner's lab, and after another Parker picture incident, Eddie starts talking about taking something important from Peter. Then he slips into Psycho mode in traffic.

 

[AIRWOLF]

To the point that, as Venom, he wants to kill him over pictures? No. Then again, Venom has probably killed people in the comics for less.

Anyway, IMO the development wasn't all that great. It started out good with Eddie starting to get angry at Pete, but instead of developing the hate further over several Episodes, Eddie suddenly disappeared somewhere in the middle. Then he shows up again when the alien is brought to Conner's lab, and after another Parker picture incident, Eddie starts talking about taking something important from Peter. Then he slips into Psycho mode in traffic.

If you watch the episodes with Eddie again, he said he was over with it and if you have seen the latest one then you know his quarrel isn't over some friggin' pictures , so think clearly before jumping onto the conclusion.

Well in your opinion it wasn't great, but it has been explained over and over the guy was a psycho to begin with, we were just seeing those false-layers being peeled away with each of his appearance. So it is not so sudden, watch the episodes again and you'll realize the guy isn't right.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I thought it was ok, but I hated how they cribbed a whole lines word for word from the movies. I see the movies, like the show, as an interpretation of the original source material, the comics. But by cribbing lines from the movies, which were for the most part good, it makes it seem like the movies are canon, which they aren't.

But they mixed elements from the comics (Amazing Fantasy and Ultimate Spider-Man) and things from the movie. Most people are more familiar with the movie, and, as much as I adore Stan Lee and everything he's done, there's no two ways around the fact that most origin stories in the Marvel Universe are very dated. "Radioactivity" isn't a cure-all for superhero origins anymore and certain tweaks make the story more compelling.

That said, I do love Amazing Fantas #15 and think that should always remain the origin story in the 616 Universe. But I'm fine with changes to it when it is adapted to TV/Film so long as it's true to the spirit of the source material, which Spectacular Spider-Man is in every way.

 

[Nathan]

If you watch the episodes with Eddie again, he said he was over with it and if you have seen the latest one then you know his quarrel isn't over some friggin' pictures , so think clearly before jumping onto the conclusion.

So in the end he lost his job as a lab assistant. Big deal. He acts like Spidey/Peter destroyed every fiber of his being or ruined his reputation beyond repair. Eddie seems like a talented, capable, young man. How hard would it be to find another job? Also it's not like he's being called a loser and accused of being a liar, like 616 Brock, the entire time.

Well in your opinion it wasn't great, but it has been explained over and over the guy was a psycho to begin with,

Definitely wasn't explained in the show.

we were just seeing those false-layers being peeled away with each of his appearance. So it is not so sudden, watch the episodes again and you'll realize the guy isn't right.

It's sudden when you barely got to see Eddie during the middle of the Season and he starts to act like a psycho after the 2nd picture incident.

 

[Cmill216]

So in the end he lost his job as a lab assistant. Big deal. He acts like Spidey/Peter destroyed every fiber of his being or ruined his reputation beyond repair. Eddie seems like a talented, capable, young man. How hard would it be to find another job? Also it's not like he's being called a loser and accused of being a liar, like 616 Brock, the entire time.

I thought him losing the job also meant he was losing the grant that was keeping him in school. Isn't that what Mrs. Connors told him?

 

[Syncos]

I thought him losing the job also meant he was losing the grant that was keeping him in school. Isn't that what Mrs. Connors told him?

No, the Connors lost a grant, which meant they couldn't afford to pay him. that's why he lost his job.

 

[Nathan]

And because of that he would've to drop out of school. But I don't think it would've been all that hard for this version of Eddie to find another job.

 

[Syncos]

Random post about how legit eddies origin is

Y'know. There's a lot of bickering about how justified eddie is in his hatred for peter.

Personally, I think Spider-Man TAS handled it a bit better. After all. In TAS eddies rep was destroyed. and thanks to spider-man, it wasn't just a job he lost, but Jameson made sure he'd never work in that town again.

His career, his life was honestly ruined. sure. he was kinda a slimy individual to begin with. but he got boned for it. bad.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Quite apart from how I just don't find Brock's characterization switch plausible, the alterations made to his motives/character here make him seem less interesting, in my opinion.

In the comics, originally, and more successfully established in 90s TAS and the movie, Brock gets into trouble by his own selfish/corner-cutting/lying actions, but refuses to accept responsibility and blames it all on Spider-Man. The refusal to accept responsiblity for the consequences of his own actions, to me, marks him as a clear opposite for Spider-Man, who's all about power and responsibility. Here, Brock is blaming Spider-Man for stuff that's, well, not really anyone's fault; certainly not Brock's.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Edit - double post.

 

[Spiderine]

Who knows, he probably would have did whatever he needed to do stay in school. He felt when spidey brought the alien back to the lab he had an opportunity to keep working there rather than find other alternatives only to see Spiderman destroy it right in front of him. He already thinks Spiderman stole it and never returned it. And now the sym calls out to him and he now discovers that Peter, his friend who shoved him aside after finding out he was fired, has been spiderman all along. The sym offers to give him power and he accepts it. Bad choice, but that's Eddie Brock.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I loved how the Symbiote basically brought Brock into it's own dream like atmosphere and showed him what happen. The effect of it was just so great.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Bad choice, but that's Eddie Brock.

Thing is, that's not the Eddie Brock we've been getting on this show, up until last episode, when the writers flipped his switch from Good to Evil without any transition.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thing is, that's not the Eddie Brock we've been getting on this show, up until last episode, when the writers flipped his switch from Good to Evil without any transition.

Are you trying to say that he just whent evil in the last episode? If so, then check almost every episode after "Natural Selection". He was slowly changing and becoming mean because of his mental problems.

 

[Spiderine]

Thing is, that's not the Eddie Brock we've been getting on this show, up until last episode, when the writers flipped his switch from Good to Evil without any transition.

He had never been faced with personal adversity until now that we know of. And we are seeing how he copes with it.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Are you trying to say that he just whent evil in the last episode?

Yes, that's exactly what I said. He showed up, speaking and acting like he was a villain, sneering about making Pete "suffer" and glowering menacingly.

If so, then check almost every episode after "Natural Selection". He was slowly changing and becoming mean because of his mental problems.

What mental problems? He was characterized as a nice guy who got angry at Peter over a couple of misunderstandings, ones that, incidentally, could have been worked out had they actually talked for five minutes, which Peter/Spider-Man never attempt to do (one of my other problems with this version of Brock that I have, which is that essentially none of their behaviour towards each other post-Natural Selection rings true if they're supposed to be childhood friends).

 

[varsas]

I'm not sure that giving the symbiote it's own voice was necessary either, humanizing an entity that shouldn't really be is a bad idea and the symbiote plays better without its own sentient voice and acting on behalf of what it believes are its hosts main desire. I'm also not a fan of parker using we as it assumes an actual bond, stronger bond.

I'm not sure how you would show the mental struggle that Peter endures without creating an internal voice for the symbiote? I'm not sure a purely visual representation would work.

What mental problems? He was characterized as a nice guy who got angry at Peter over a couple of misunderstandings, ones that, incidentally, could have been worked out had they actually talked for five minutes, which Peter/Spider-Man never attempt to do (one of my other problems with this version of Brock that I have, which is that essentially none of their behaviour towards each other post-Natural Selection rings true if they're supposed to be childhood friends).

The fact that Eddie reacted so extremely to each of the misunderstandings or setbacks indicates that he is perhaps a little mentally unstable or paranoid. In each case I think most of us could take a step back but Eddie can not and the last set back is a good example since even losing his lab job is not the end of the world; he could quite easily find some other work to make up the money.

 

[Nathan]

Are you trying to say that he just whent evil in the last episode? If so, then check almost every episode after "Natural Selection". He was slowly changing and becoming mean because of his mental problems.

That wasn't really turning evil. That was justified anger against someone who took pictures rather than help. Of course he didn't know that Peter was Spidey.

Then we only get small glimpses and appearances of him, which don't noticably develop his character any further. He finally gets more screentime in Episode 10, only to switch the psycho switch on after the second Picture incident. Because again, Peter rather took pictures than call the authorities to prevent the theft.

It's the acting all psycho, endangering traffic and talking about making Pete lose something important after just the second incident, that makes the transition from good to evil feel unnatural. This Episode would've felt much better if they developed Eddie in a couple more Episodes.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

What mental problems? He was characterized as a nice guy who got angry at Peter over a couple of misunderstandings, ones that, incidentally, could have been worked out had they actually talked for five minutes, which Peter/Spider-Man never attempt to do (one of my other problems with this version of Brock that I have, which is that essentially none of their behaviour towards each other post-Natural Selection rings true if they're supposed to be childhood friends).

Brock took it over the edge. He made it an even bigger deal than it was and his mental problems made it worse. Besides, Ben DIskin already said that he has some mental issues from the start.

 

[Nathan]

Brock took it over the edge. He made it an even bigger deal than it was and his mental problems made it worse. Besides, Ben DIskin already said that he has some mental issues from the start.

It would've been nice if we would've come to that conclusion, that he's mentaly instable, through the show. Not from some behind the scenes guy.

"Oh, btw, Eddie is totally bonkers in the head from the start. Just in case you're wondering why his character development seems so poor."

 

[AIRWOLF]

So in the end he lost his job as a lab assistant. Big deal. He acts like Spidey/Peter destroyed every fiber of his being or ruined his reputation beyond repair. Eddie seems like a talented, capable, young man. How hard would it be to find another job? Also it's not like he's being called a loser and accused of being a liar, like 616 Brock, the entire time.



Definitely wasn't explained in the show.



It's sudden when you barely got to see Eddie during the middle of the Season and he starts to act like a psycho after the 2nd picture incident.

1. Now you're being silly. Eddie has been portrayed as a guy who finds it hard to get over stuff, just like he couldn't get over death of his parents in plane crash, at least the way he said it. It was a VERY BIG deal for Eddie, you could tell. So, in the end he completely lost it.

2. I guess next time when someone crazy shows up in a movie or a show, they should hang a sign around their neck saying "Hey, Im crazy that's why I do all these crazy things."

3. All I can say is watch it again, it was revealed little by little, not so sudden in terms of how fast this show is.

It would've been nice if we would've come to that conclusion, that he's mentaly instable, through the show. Not from some behind the scenes guy.

"Oh, btw, Eddie is totally bonkers in the head from the start. Just in case you're wondering why his character development seems so poor."

Yes, that would have been nice but I can safely say that Eddie got the best of transition into a villain yet, beside Ock.

The fact that Eddie reacted so extremely to each of the misunderstandings or setbacks indicates that he is perhaps a little mentally unstable or paranoid. In each case I think most of us could take a step back but Eddie can not and the last set back is a good example since even losing his lab job is not the end of the world; he could quite easily find some other work to make up the money.

Exactly, that shows you what kind of a guy he really is. He lets his anger get the better of him: think Anakin Skywalker.

 

[samsnee]

I'll throw my hat into the "Brock turned psycho pretty quickly" ring. I know he may have already been unstable a bit, but when he first saw him, he seemed to be best friends with Pete and Gwen. Then the Lizard incident happens, and he and Gwen both get mad at him, but do eventually forgive him. Then Brock sees Peter took pictures again, and all of sudden it seems like he wants to hurt MJ?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It would've been nice if we would've come to that conclusion, that he's mentaly instable, through the show. Not from some behind the scenes guy.

"Oh, btw, Eddie is totally bonkers in the head from the start. Just in case you're wondering why his character development seems so poor."

Well, it was pretty obvious since "Natural Selection" that he's mentally instable. As I said, he did over react.

 

[Anwar]

No he didn't. Without knowing that Peter was Spidey Brock's accusations towards Peter were reasonable. Heck he even forgave him before Gwen did.

 

[AIRWOLF]

I'll throw my hat into the "Brock turned psycho pretty quickly" ring. I know he may have already been unstable a bit, but when he first saw him, he seemed to be best friends with Pete and Gwen. Then the Lizard incident happens, and he and Gwen both get mad at him, but do eventually forgive him. Then Brock sees Peter took pictures again, and all of sudden it seems like he wants to hurt MJ?

He did mention that Peter should know what's its like to lose people closer to you, and he didn't exactly try to hurt MJ, if he wanted to he could have but he didn't. Eddie only scared her a bit, but it was MJ who hurt Eddie emotionally by insulting his manhood. He went after MJ because he knew Peter had taken a liking to her.

Of course he got mad at Peter for taking pictures again, for Eddie that was the second straw, as far as he knows Peter didn't do squat to try and stop the robbery, thus ending everything in a mess. That final confrontation with Spidey was the point of no return, again not so quick for a fast paced show.