Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[TheVileOne]

*points up* This. Absolutely nothing in the movie suggests that J Random Street Level Superhero is effected by the Accords in any way. They dealt with the Avengers.

The Accords are a framework for registering all enhanced individuals. So yes they are. Inhumans such as Yoyo also had to sign into the Accords.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Accords are desired because of Avengers ignoring international borders and acting as their own foreign policy. That has precisely zip to do with. . . anything Luke Cage does.

Yes they do. They were written as a framework for registering all enhanced individuals. Luke Cage falls under that umbrella, especially now that he's a publicly known entity and a federal fugitive from justice or at least a fugitive in custody.

 

[Mike Murdock]

*points up* This. Absolutely nothing in the movie suggests that J Random Street Level Superhero is effected by the Accords in any way. They dealt with the Avengers.

What about Agents of SHIELD. Would you agree that that TV show expanded on what the movie showed to suggest something different?

 

[Dasher10]

We'll probably get a new trailer within the next 6 weeks if i had to guess.

I've already been waiting three months.

 

[metaphysician]

What about Agents of SHIELD. Would you agree that that TV show expanded on what the movie showed to suggest something different?

I would say that the TV show *contradicts* what is shown in the movie. Possibly from a combination of "the movie people don't give us detailed scripts" and "our writers are comparatively crappy". And if its a choice between accepting what is shown in giant success of a movie versus a fairly crappy TV show that is probably going to be canceled soon? Go with the movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean right there it says on the cover "Framework for the registration and deployment for enhanced individuals."

Agents of SHIELD says the framework goes beyond the Avengers. It applies to SHIELD members, and it's a framework for registering every enhanced individual.

 

[3dman27]

I mean right there it says on the cover "Framework for the registration and deployment for enhanced individuals."

Agents of SHIELD says the framework goes beyond the Avengers. It applies to SHIELD members, and it's a framework for registering every enhanced individual.

then it WOULD affect Danny

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean how hard would it be for SHIELD to research and keep tabs on enhanced vigilantes living in New York in 2017? SHIELD has been able to crack highly advanced prosthetics that work just as good if not better than an original limb. You can virtually not tell at all anymore that Coulson's using a prosthetic hand. They reverse engineered SHIELD helicarrier cloaking technology for the Quinjets. They invented Night Night Guns. They made those flying escape pods and holding cells. So you would think they could figure out what's going on with these enhanced types and if they are a danger or of interest to SHIELD or not.

I'm not saying they will be forced to register. But at the same time, after the way it's been handled, it's not something they can ignore forever. Technically, the likes of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, would all fall under the Sokovia Accord legislation.

I'm not saying they need to do a full-on SHIELD crossover. But some sort of visit from Coulson to say he knows who they are and he is keeping an eye on them. Maybe he even advises them to keep their profiles low in order to protect them from the Accord laws. But it will have to be addressed at some point.

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ I think the only real way to make a Defenders/Agents of SHIELD crossover to work is to have the characters appear in Defenders. The reason for this is the Netflix shows seem to be set a bit before real time. If Agents of SHIELD were dealing with Luke Cage, he had to have appeared some time around the Hive story arc. It would create an awkward situation of spoiling something before it's even filmed.

I would say that the TV show *contradicts* what is shown in the movie. Possibly from a combination of "the movie people don't give us detailed scripts" and "our writers are comparatively crappy". And if its a choice between accepting what is shown in giant success of a movie versus a fairly crappy TV show that is probably going to be canceled soon? Go with the movie.

Iron Fist is produced by the same people who produce Agents of SHIELD. You don't think they'd follow the same thing that was set up there? This isn't a question in the abstract, it's a question of what Iron Fist would do.

Unlike Luke Cage, I suspect he'll be comparatively in the shadows. If that's the case, there might be no need to mention the Accords. But if someone does a "there oughta be a law" schtick, it'll probably mention the Accords.

 

[Endeavor]

Technically, the likes of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, would all fall under the Sokovia Accord legislation.

Daredevil might get a pass because his powers are not evident to the casual onlooker or even on surveillance recordings.
To SHIELD he'll just be some loon that puts on a costume to beat up criminals.

 

[3dman27]

I mean how hard would it be for SHIELD to research and keep tabs on enhanced vigilantes living in New York in 2017? SHIELD has been able to crack highly advanced prosthetics that work just as good if not better than an original limb. You can virtually not tell at all anymore that Coulson's using a prosthetic hand. They reverse engineered SHIELD helicarrier cloaking technology for the Quinjets. They invented Night Night Guns. They made those flying escape pods and holding cells. So you would think they could figure out what's going on with these enhanced types and if they are a danger or of interest to SHIELD or not.

I'm not saying they will be forced to register. But at the same time, after the way it's been handled, it's not something they can ignore forever. Technically, the likes of Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, would all fall under the Sokovia Accord legislation.

I'm not saying they need to do a full-on SHIELD crossover. But some sort of visit from Coulson to say he knows who they are and he is keeping an eye on them. Maybe he even advises them to keep their profiles low in order to protect them from the Accord laws. But it will have to be addressed at some point.

this seems reasonable

 

[TheVileOne]

Daredevil might get a pass because his powers are not evident to the casual onlooker or even on surveillance recordings.
To SHIELD he'll just be some loon that puts on a costume to beat up criminals.

Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Black Widow don't have super powers.

 

[Endeavor]

Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Black Widow don't have super powers.

But since they are in the limelight, they are known to possess advanced tech and specialized training, which is why they qualify to be registered in the Accords (although, to be honest, it's an iffy scenario why any of them would be forced to comply). All anybody knows of DD is that the guy can kick ass.
If that qualifies for Accords registration then you might as well register any boxer, MMA fighter or any martial artist.

 

[3dman27]

I see your point

 

[TheVileOne]

But since they are in the limelight, they are known to possess advanced tech and specialized training, which is why they qualify to be registered in the Accords (although, to be honest, it's an iffy scenario why any of them would be forced to comply). All anybody knows of DD is that the guy can kick ass.
If that qualifies for Accords registration then you might as well register any boxer, MMA fighter or any martial artist.

He's a costumed vigilante who wears a mask. He's publicly known. He's acting without and not under any type of legal authority in New York City.

MMA fighters and boxers all have to be licensed to fight in the United States. They are regulated under federal law. So guess what? Boxers and MMA fighters do have to get registered to fight as well.

 

[Darkraid]

But since they are in the limelight, they are known to possess advanced tech and specialized training, which is why they qualify to be registered in the Accords (although, to be honest, it's an iffy scenario why any of them would be forced to comply). All anybody knows of DD is that the guy can kick ass.
If that qualifies for Accords registration then you might as well register any boxer, MMA fighter or any martial artist.

If I buy a chainsaw and fight bad guys do I need to register?

 

[TheVileOne]

If I buy a chainsaw and fight bad guys do I need to register?

Yes.

 

[Endeavor]

He's a costumed vigilante who wears a mask. He's publicly known. He's acting without and not under any type of legal authority in New York City.

MMA fighters and boxers all have to be licensed to fight in the United States. They are regulated under federal law. So guess what? Boxers and MMA fighters do have to get registered to fight as well.

We're talking about what qualifies a person to have to register under the SOKOVIA ACCORDS, not the legality of vigilantism or the established institutions for registering normal human martial artists.
The language of the ACCORDS mentions Enhanced Individuals. Stark, Widow and Hawkeye are exceptions due to their pre-existing status as Avengers. There is nothing to suggest anybody in government is aware that DD is an enhanced individual. That is the point I'm making.

 

[Web-Head]

 

[TheVileOne]

I think that's the closest we will get to something sort of resembling an Iron Fist costume with the lighting and the green shirt.

 

[metaphysician]

We're talking about what qualifies a person to have to register under the SOKOVIA ACCORDS, not the legality of vigilantism or the established institutions for registering normal human martial artists.
The language of the ACCORDS mentions Enhanced Individuals. Stark, Widow and Hawkeye are exceptions due to their pre-existing status as Avengers. There is nothing to suggest anybody in government is aware that DD is an enhanced individual. That is the point I'm making.

Or, we could go with what the movie actually showed, which is that the people who needed to register are "Members of the Avengers". Because the Accords were about the Avengers, not about J Random Vigilante.

 

[Web-Head]

I think that's the closest we will get to something sort of resembling an Iron Fist costume with the lighting and the green shirt.

https://***********/MarvelIronFist/status/819626722538594304

 

[Brian Braddock]

Is that yellow I see on the underside of the collar? If so I wonder if he turns the collar up at some point - would be another nod to the comicbook costume.

 

[TheVileOne]

https://***********/MarvelIronFist/status/819626722538594304

My worst fears are confirmed.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well that's kinda stupid.

Oh well