Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Doppelganger]

Thanks, Doppelganger. I was on my tablet so trying to post them was a bit of a hassle

Sure thing!

 

[metaphysician]

. . .am I the only one who finds the guy in that last pic *incredibly* creepy? Maybe its just a poor/good choice of still frame, but I can't help envision him with green hair and white skin. . .

 

[BatsDC]

Yeah Jessica Stroup weirds me out sometimes too

 

[Web-Head]

Great article that discusses Iron Fist http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/featur...our-says-marvels-iron-fist-showrunner-1634910

 

[TheVileOne]

Not that great when the writer right off the bat calls Iron Fist a white savior. Makes me wonder if the interview ever read a single Iron Fist comic in his/her life.

 

[Endeavor]

Sounded like they're shying away from mysticism. IF so, that's a bummer. After Doc Strange there should be no reason for that.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't want to make too many assumptions since we haven't seen the show yet. My hope was that this could so those elements to let it be more unique from the other shows and you can't shy away from those elements forever because of The Hand and Defenders.

I mean Daredevil actually introduced undead ninjas. There's a giant hole in the middle of Hell's Kitchen, and we still don't really know what it's for.

 

[Sebastos]

Beyond 4K: Netflix lets us in on plans to push the HDR revolution - starting with Iron Fist

Cool it starts with IF. There's also a little bit about one of the final scenes being shot.

 

[TheVileOne]

It doesn't really matter unless you have the right TV set.

 

[Web-Head]

Finn talks a bit more about the role and his transition from Thrones to Iron Fist

http://www.etonline.com/features/20...n_fist/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

“I find that superheroes are very macho and it’s all about them smashing up stuff,” he says. “Whereas Danny has these inner, powerful energies.”

“It’s been quite transformative, to be quite honest,” he admits, adding that a strict diet and exercise plan that have “shaped up everything” for him. Gone are his days of pizza and beer, spending 13 to 14 hours on set between shooting, stunt rehearsals and learning choreography. “Now, it’s all celery sticks and green juices -- laughs -- well, not all the time. But it’s been a big shift. I think it’s paying off.”

 

[Lilbaz]

Not that great when the writer right off the bat calls Iron Fist a white savior. Makes me wonder if the interview ever read a single Iron Fist comic in his/her life.

He said he is "no white saviour".

 

[Dasher10]

When's the next trailer? The last one was in October. It's now January.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Probably February then March.

 

[Sebastos]

I'd say next month, similar to Daredevil.

 

[TheVileOne]

He said he is "no white saviour".

The writer of the article/interviewer called Iron Fist a white savior.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The writer of the article/interviewer called Iron Fist a white savior.

He wrote he can "come off" as a white savior. I'm not saying I agree or not but the article doesn't say "Danny Rand was a white savior character" it reads he could easily be seen by some as coming off as that.

 

[TheVileOne]

He wrote he can "come off" as a white savior. I'm not saying I agree or not but the article doesn't say "Danny Rand was a white savior character" it reads he could easily be seen by some as coming off as that.

Someone who actually knows anything at all about the character knows that he never comes off as a white savior either, and he's not a white savior and he's never been a white savior. He's no more white is right savior than Captain America, Batman, or Superman are.

In fact, the early Iron Fist stories get across how he's still dealing with the rage and trauma of what happened to his parents when he returns to New York. His rage is something that's come up again in the comics later.

People are throwing that term around because we are in the PC era now and it's become a popular buzz term when describing Iron Fist, the same thing with "white privilege" now and how that has entered the public zeitgeist. So basically, if you are white, all the ills of society and systemic or institutional racism or any other issues are your fault. If you are white you are automatically privileged and have an easier life than other minorities. Even though you can still be white and not be privileged at all and you can still be of a minority if you are white as well. The PC crowd is still salty because Iron Fist's a martial artist who trained in a fictional Asian mystical city, that means he needed to be Asian as well.

 

[Mike Murdock]

White Savior is a specific term in a narrower set of circumstances. The biggest thing is that it's literally a white person entering the world of another culture and saving it. The biggest example is Tom Cruise from The Last Samurai. Cap, Batman, and Superman don't fall under that criteria.

Doctor Strange and Iron Fist do, at least, arguably fall under this category.

 

[TheVileOne]

Batman arguably does.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I had considered that and, honestly, there's definitely an element of that (Wolverine as well in his original mini-series and with the Yashida Clan in general). But there's a categorical difference between making a story out of it and making it central to their founding mythology.

Iron Fist, canonically, is categorically not a White Savior story since we're talking about a group of people on an alien world instead. It doesn't really even having the trappings of one, at a minimum, until Immortal Iron Fist (which is a wonderful story, but at least has some of that imagery) and that story subverted it as well.

Honestly, Doctor Strange is a much stronger case than Iron Fist.

 

[TheVileOne]

But to me, learning about or ingratiating yourself into another culture isn't really racist. Even if it's a white person or a main character.

But now there's an identity/political war over everything in media. Iron Fist can't be Iron Fist anymore. Making Ghostbusters a part of the whole identity politics movement is part of what killed it.

Wolverine, a man who is at times falling into his baser instincts and is at odds with his animal nature, for him finding some attraction or affinity for Japanese culture makes. It makes sense that he would maybe find some centering influence in martial arts or swordsmanship or bushido as a to find his humanity or the man underneath. To me that's not even cultural appropriation. It's a man seeking different philosophies and world views to try and better himself. Just because you are white and want to learn a different way of living or learn from some philosophies of another race, it doesn't mean you are appropriating or stealing someone else's culture.

So now in our media obsessed, hashtag culture, a character can't try to better themselves with other philosophies or world view. Its TV Tropes White Savior. It's TV Tropes Mighty Whitey, etc.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But to me, learning about or ingratiating yourself into another culture isn't really racist. Even if it's a white person or a main character.

But now there's an identity/political war over everything in media. Iron Fist can't be Iron Fist anymore. Making Ghostbusters a part of the whole identity politics movement is part of what killed it.

Wolverine, a man who is at times falling into his baser instincts and is at odds with his animal nature, for him finding some attraction or affinity for Japanese culture makes. It makes sense that he would maybe find some centering influence in martial arts or swordsmanship or bushido as a to find his humanity or the man underneath. To me that's not even cultural appropriation. It's a man seeking different philosophies and world views to try and better himself. Just because you are white and want to learn a different way of living or learn from some philosophies of another race, it doesn't mean you are appropriating or stealing someone else's culture.

So now in our media obsessed, hashtag culture, a character can't try to better themselves with other philosophies or world view. Its TV Tropes White Savior. It's TV Tropes Mighty Whitey, etc.

I agree with a lot of this. It reminds me of when people get yelled at for having a hairstyle considered to belong to another race or culture. And it drives me crazy. What is wrong with someone white, black, Asian, India, Hispanic, or any other race or culture learning to love another culture? I grew up enjoying films from across the globe, loving British sports and television and adoring Japanese anime. Am I not allowed to because I am of Hispanic descent and I was born in the US?

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah it's not cultural appropriation or cultural theft if you embrace some parts of other culture or are influenced by it. I'm confused when it became a crime. Isn't it better to share our cultures, even if it's from minute, small things?

 

[chamber-music]

I can see why people may complain about cultural appropriation in regards to someone profiting off another culture or not acknowledging/pay respect to a culture i.e ripping them off.

Human civilization and society is built off of a cross pollination of cultures and ideas.

Danny Rand was raised in K'un lun's culture. Danny didn't have the chance to leave for 10 years. It is hard to grow up in another culture and not picking up aspects of that culture.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right. And Danny knowing martial arts or learning hidden secrets of an ancient, and FICTIONAL, society isn't really cultural appropriation or racist either.