Days of Future Past Is this movie going to write the original trilogy out of existence?

[Mutant 77]

The 1975-1987 part of Origins, the OT trilogy, The 2013 part of The Wolverine will be totally erased. ANYWAY, the 2023 Wolverine coming back in time to save the future will Always be "ingrained" into the new timeline, he is the HUMAN LEGACY of the Timeline Prime. Without the OT, you will not get the 2023 Wolverine who changes the past, re-write the timeline and save the future.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If they are really going to erase the trilogy and most of wolverine solo films I think It's mistake to show wolverine In new 2023.Plus there has been rumors
of when wolverine wakes up he has no memory of time travel mission or "original' Timeline. Xavier according to rumor remembers what went down In 1973.Any character you see In altered 2023 will not be the same character the GA saw In trilogy,future parts of DOFP or wolverine solo films. Even Hugh Jackman himself will now only have Civil war,WW1 and 2 flashbacks In Origins and The wolverine+Altered 2023 that matters. They would be much better off ending film In 1973 with uncertiny of future similar to end of Terminator 2.
I also question wisedom of doing another wolverine film which may be based on old man logan If they are erasing most of first 2 wolverine films+Trilogy.

If they are indeed erasing most of films through time travel It means

Only First Class and Days of future Past are relvent to Apocalypse and future films

Spoiler

There is rumor that the time travel mission of DOFP causes Apocalypse to wake up In past

The X-Men films become peroid pieces from now on.This means X-force If it goes forward would be set In past.Same goes for deadpool and any other spinoff
You could make case those erased films are still relvent since they lead up to DOFP but that only works if they keep ages consent with ages before.That
means no Kitty,Iceman,Colossus,Rogue,Angel anytime soon In films.And if you want both teenage cyclops and Jean In Apocalypse It has to be set around 1987.Otherwise you just have a mess like many long time trekkers consider Star Trek and Star Trek Into darkness to be.

 

[Mutant 77]

If they are really going to erase the trilogy and most of wolverine solo films I think It's mistake to show wolverine In new 2023.Plus there has been rumors
of when wolverine wakes up he has no memory of time travel mission or "original' Timeline.

That would be correct. Only Xavier, Magneto, Quicksilver and Beast know he travelled back.

 

[marvelrobbins]

That would be correct. Only Xavier, Magneto, Quicksilver and Beast know he travelled back.

and Mystique as well especilly

Spoiler

since BTS footage and latest TV clip+report of her teaching class with Beast In altered 2023 could mean she will become a good guy

and all this just reinforces my thinking if they
are indeed erasing most of Non-FC films the alternete 2023+Third wolverine film
Is a mistake If they are indeed going to erase those films the cast needs to go
with that erasing. They should wait till they are ready to recast wolverine
before they use him again post DOFP.

 

[Mutant 77]

and Mystique as well especilly

Spoiler

since BTS footage and latest TV clip+report of her teaching class with Beast In altered 2023 could mean she will become a good guy

and all this just reinforces my thinking if they
are indeed erasing most of Non-FC films the alternete 2023+Third wolverine film
Is a mistake If they are indeed going to erase those films the cast needs to go
with that erasing. They should wait till they are ready to recast wolverine
before they use him again post DOFP.

I will open a new section on my blog about the time travel and "Timeline Sigma", as I named the new timeline. Great idea.

By the way, the "NEW" canon will be:

Origins - 1845-1944
The Wolverine - 1945
First Class - 1962
Days of Future Past - 1973
Revised 2023

 

[Mutant 77]

What makes me laugh is:

... from 2000 'til 2014, we've seen movies based on an "evil", nihilistic, tragic X-Men timeline which features the death of Cyclops, the death of Professor X, the death of Jean Grey (turned into a version of DARK PHOENIX), the demise of the X-Men, the estrangement of Wolverine, the rise of the Sentinels, the massacre of the X-Men and the annihilation of the United States of America.


The First Class-DOFP timeline is the "alternate timeline", but also the POSITIVE one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, it's like they picked the Age of Apocalypse as "the main continuity" and the original 1963-1995 X-Men comic book timeline is just the "alternate history".

 

[eobard]

Oh god... Fox really JJ Abram'd the hell out of the X-Men. But my question is this: why would they make such an extravagant film to "right" the wrongs of X3 (reviving Cyclops & Jean, specifically), only to stop making future films with the OT cast?! Does Fox really wanna ignore and erase 14 years of X-films and hundreds of millions of dollars? As X-Men fans ourselves, its already confusing. For the GA, forget it! ..geez...

 

[Legion]

What makes me laugh is:

... from 2000 'til 2014, we've seen movies based on an "evil", nihilistic, tragic X-Men timeline which features the death of Cyclops, the death of Professor X, the death of Jean Grey (turned into a version of DARK PHOENIX), the demise of the X-Men, the estrangement of Wolverine, the rise of the Sentinels, the massacre of the X-Men and the annihilation of the United States of America.


The First Class-DOFP timeline is the "alternate timeline", but also the POSITIVE one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, it's like they picked the Age of Apocalypse as "the main continuity" and the original 1963-1995 X-Men comic book timeline is just the "alternate history".

I disagree with your analogy. The X-Men have alway been more "mortal" and vulnerable than other comic book films. When this translates to film it means when a character dies they don't need to be brought back because this isn't a monthly series.

I'm fine with "main continuity" X-Men being the ones that fall to the Sentinels. The stakes need to be high and the audience needs to care. No one is going to care if it's an alternate reality version of the character dying and not the same ones we've been following all these years

Also when you introduce an army of killer robots as your villains, there needs to be casualties. They are supposed to be powerful and efficient killers, lacking remorse. In the cartoons they may be slow and incompetent or maybe they have their lasers set to "stun", but that's not going to fly in a live action film.

 

[Mutant 77]

I'm fine with "main continuity" X-Men being the ones that fall to the Sentinels. .

Yeah, that's great. I was mostly referring to the bleak events of Origins, X2, The Last Stand and The Wolverine.

 

[Figs]

Oh god... Fox really JJ Abram'd the hell out of the X-Men. But my question is this: why would they make such an extravagant film to "right" the wrongs of X3 (reviving Cyclops & Jean, specifically), only to stop making future films with the OT cast?! Does Fox really wanna ignore and erase 14 years of X-films and hundreds of millions of dollars? As X-Men fans ourselves, its already confusing. For the GA, forget it! ..geez...

As numerous people have already said in the past, this film could most likely be(I hope so at least)a nice farewell to the OT cast.

I don't get what you mean by erasing hundreds of millions of dollars. My only guess is that like another poster from these boards(a delusional one at that)you think they shouldn't continue making movies without the OT cast because the GA will never accept it. Or you won't accept it and think the OT actors are the best we'll ever get for these roles.

The OT cast has been in four films and are only getting older and from those spoilers about the ending, it sounds like this is going to be a nice send off.

 

[Mutant 77]

The Original Saga is not useless at all. It "generated" the 2023 Wolverine who changed the past and had a prominent role in the "new" timeline, kickstarting a new X-Men saga.

 

[Figs]

The Original Saga is not useless at all. It "generated" the 2023 Wolverine who changed the past and had a prominent role in the "new" timeline, kickstarting a new X-Men saga.

Exactly

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't get what you mean by erasing hundreds of millions of dollars. My only guess is that like another poster from these boards(a delusional one at that)you think they shouldn't continue making movies without the OT cast.

Who is this delusional user you are talking about?

 

[Duran Man]

 

[Figs]

Who is this delusional user you are talking about?

Don't worry, it's not you.

Is this in response to me, psylockolussus or just the thread topic?

 

[Duran Man]

Don't worry, it's not you.





Is this in response to me, psylockolussus or just the thread topic?

Both of you.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

That would be correct. Only Xavier, Magneto, Quicksilver and Beast know he travelled back.

But wouldn't Wolverine memory be intact since he went from 2023 to 1973 and then back to 2023 this time overwriting the Wolverine of this new timeline?

The Original Saga is not useless at all. It "generated" the 2023 Wolverine who changed the past and had a prominent role in the "new" timeline, kickstarting a new X-Men saga.

But as written above our 2023 Wolverine e will awaken as an alternate 2023 Wolverine with no memory the our original trilogy.

 

[Mutant 77]

But wouldn't Wolverine memory be intact since he went from 2023 to 1973 and then back to 2023 this time overwriting the Wolverine of this new timeline?



But as written above our 2023 Wolverine e will awaken as an alternate 2023 Wolverine with no memory the our original trilogy.

We have three scenarios here:

1- New 2023 Wolverine will not remember anything about the Original Timeline.

2- Old 2023 Wolverine's consciousness will "overwrite" New 2023 Wolverine's consciousness.

3- Both the consciousnesses will merge into one in 2023. The new 2023 Wolverine will remember both the timelines.

We are not supposed to care since we'll never see the New 2023 Wolverine again in future movies.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Agreed those are the scenarios.

I think the two most likely timeline scenarios are.

Wolverine will change the past creating a new chain of events different from the OT and that will replace the OT in the same reality.

or

Wolverine will change the past creating a new chain of events that will exist in a new separate reality where events occurred different from the OT and that will exist separate from the OT reality.

Either way Wolverine won't be able to get back to the OT Timeline as he'll being going to the future of the reality he leaves from (70s that he alters)

 

[Mutant 77]

Wolverine will change the past creating a new chain of events different from the OT and that will replace the OT in the same reality.

It has been confirmed and super-confirmed that this is the only scenario.

 

[marvelrobbins]

There is going to be third wolverine film most likely loosly based on Old Man Logan which means it will be most likely set at some point after end of DOFP.

If they really are going to erase most everything of OT leaving only FC I say
showing how future ends up at end of DOFP and doing third wolverine film Is
mistake. They want to erase the OT to build up FC then they have to deal
with consequenzes of doing that and that means they can't use OT cast
members anymore.

At best by his own words inless he goes back on it Hugh jackman only has 1 or 2 more films after DOFP the third wolverine and possably some kind of appearance In Apocalypse. If they are going to erase OT they need to find someone who will
play wolverine In "new timeline"

Best to avoid debates on rather people like erasing films till we see DOFP if that Is what they are doing.

 

[Mutant 77]

They want to erase the OT to build up FC then they have to deal
with consequenzes of doing that and that means they can't use OT cast
members anymore.

WRONG! Cyclops and all the other X-Men can still be played by the old cast in new movies set in the new timeline - YEAR 2000s or so.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

But they've be alternate versions of those characters

It has been confirmed and super-confirmed that this is the only scenario.

But if Wolverine remembers the events of the OT (as we know them) then that would be the other scenario, where those exist in a separate reality.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The audence has no frame of reference for them if all films with OT cast has been wiped
out.

Plus i suspect part of reason for wiping out films If that Is what happens so FC sequels can ignore the OT. Of course the problem Is after Apocalypse can they get FC cast members to return. A knowledge person on twitter says he think James Mcavoy could be only member of FC cast to stick around after Apocalypse.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Jame McaVoy is the only who really needs to stay interns of story potential.

They can introduce young versions off many fan-favourites and use Man other villians than Magneto.