Its official: W.B. waited too long

[Steelsheen]

another weekend came and went without any official announcements. this is starting to become a tradition.

 

[buggs0268]

Yeah but we got confirmation from one of the actors that the NDA goes up today, and that we should be hearing confirmations this week.

 

[Excel]

In all fairness Excel, you are pretty damn arrogant (But thats why we love you ).

Psh

 

[UltimateJustin]

I dont think this is the Super Bowl of superhero movies. We all want to pretend that the general public cares about these classic DC characters the way they should, but I dont think having Superman, Batman, GL, WW, the Flash, all these guys in one movie is even a positive thing. If anything, it will just make the whole thing harder to swallow and look goofier than a single superhero movie would. At this point, Spiderman and Wolverine together would draw more interest than the long abandoned DC heroes.

 

[KBX]

Honestly, I could easily see the WB never announcing anything. They just go on with their business, and getting everything together for February.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I dont think this is the Super Bowl of superhero movies. We all want to pretend that the general public cares about these classic DC characters the way they should, but I dont think having Superman, Batman, GL, WW, the Flash, all these guys in one movie is even a positive thing. If anything, it will just make the whole thing harder to swallow and look goofier than a single superhero movie would. At this point, Spiderman and Wolverine together would draw more interest than the long abandoned DC heroes.

It's not our fault the general public has no taste. t:

 

[Steelsheen]

I dont think this is the Super Bowl of superhero movies. We all want to pretend that the general public cares about these classic DC characters the way they should, but I dont think having Superman, Batman, GL, WW, the Flash, all these guys in one movie is even a positive thing. If anything, it will just make the whole thing harder to swallow and look goofier than a single superhero movie would. At this point, Spiderman and Wolverine together would draw more interest than the long abandoned DC heroes.

lemme guess, you're a Marvel boy arent you?

only Marvel geek would ignore the success of the Justice League animated series and the impact it has on pop culture.

 

[UltimateJustin]

lemme guess, you're a Marvel boy arent you?

only Marvel geek would ignore the success of the Justice League animated series and the impact it has on pop culture.

I'm DC over Marvel easy. I just dont think the majority that made Spiderman and X-Men such hits are into these classic characters. I do like Marvel characters, but their comics are trash. All the young thugs I know who ever mention wanting to see a comic book movie, it was X-Men, Spiderman, the first Fantastic Four. I cant see Sweet Teen Vanessa going to see Justive Leauge, its too comic book for is own good, not that thats the whole demo for these movies, but the more people interested in a film, the better.

Even though I prefer DC, I really do think Marvel characters are easier to sell to the public. Green Lantern is complicated, the Flash runs, Wonder Woman has a stupid whip, Martian Manhunter is a martian. Except for Batman, who has always had success in film and has been relevent forever in other media.

 

[buggs0268]

And Excel, according to this link, it was scheduled for a Dec 19, 2008 release.

"Angels" had been scheduled to begin production early next year and was slated for release Dec. 19, 2008."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i831387c49a06d964b5b11f3b14a5a5fd

 

[Excel]

And Excel, according to this link, it was scheduled for a Dec 19, 2008 release.

"Angels" had been scheduled to begin production early next year and was slated for release Dec. 19, 2008."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i831387c49a06d964b5b11f3b14a5a5fd

Keep reading...right after that

"Angels" had been scheduled to begin production early next year and was slated for release Dec. 19, 2008. While no new start date has been set, its release date has been moved to May 15, 2009, a week before Fox has scheduled the release of James Cameron's 3-D feature "Avatar

 

[DACrowe]

I haven't been following, but my guess is that the writer's strike pretty much KILLED JLA happening in 2009. It will be pushed until 2010 and then can contend with Spider-Man 4 and God knows whatever else comes out that far in advance.

 

[DACrowe]

lemme guess, you're a Marvel boy arent you?

only Marvel geek would ignore the success of the Justice League animated series and the impact it has on pop culture.

Not to get drawn into a debate, but I see you poking the flames for a fanboy war...

well how's this a go:

Batman TAS was the most porfitable and biggest action cartoon of the '90s, Superman TAS was another big hit. Both are DC's heavy hitters, both barely scratched $200 million domestic.

So why will the JLA cartoon, which was only on cable (so got less viewing than BTAS, STAS, Spider-Man TAS and X-Men) mean this movie is going to be a behemoth? What? So people are wetting themselves over Martian Manhunter? Get real. The only bit of novelty this ill-fated project (that I call it merely because it reeks of rushed sutido greed to capitalize on a "dying genre" as soon as possible) is seeing Wonder Woman on the big screen which will draw girls and obviously boys of all ages to see it.

I'm not a Marvel zombie, Batman is my second fav. character. I'm just saying a cartoon being a hit on CN does not equate a $300 million+ box office.

 

[KBX]

Not to get drawn into a debate, but I see you poking the flames for a fanboy war...

well how's this a go:

Batman TAS was the most porfitable and biggest action cartoon of the '90s, Superman TAS was another big hit. Both are DC's heavy hitters, both barely scratched $200 million domestic.

So why will the JLA cartoon, which was only on cable (so got less viewing than BTAS, STAS, Spider-Man TAS and X-Men) mean this movie is going to be a behemoth? What? So people are wetting themselves over Martian Manhunter? Get real. The only bit of novelty this ill-fated project (that I call it merely because it reeks of rushed sutido greed to capitalize on a "dying genre" as soon as possible) is seeing Wonder Woman on the big screen which will draw girls and obviously boys of all ages to see it.

I'm not a Marvel zombie, Batman is my second fav. character. I'm just saying a cartoon being a hit on CN does not equate a $300 million+ box office.

Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Xmen are what? Comic book characters. Recently movies have gone to comic books to make huge $$$$ at the box-office. Now what is the Justice League? IT is DCs ultimate comic. So what is Warner doing? Trying to get in to the big screen to make ridiculous $$$$$ if done right. Understand?

This movie is not being made because of a successful cartoon on the Cartoon network....

 

[ray243]

Seriously the JL fans should just wait for the indepedent hero film to be completed first.

MUCH better than trying to tell unknown audience who is martain manhunter and etc. That way, the JL film will not need to waste extra time on the history of the characters.

 

[jmc]

^ Even if you were to do individual film first, you're still going to have to do some sort of back story in a JL film because you can't assume that everyone has seen those other films.

 

[TheVileOne]

Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Xmen are what? Comic book characters. Recently movies have gone to comic books to make huge $$$$ at the box-office. Now what is the Justice League? IT is DCs ultimate comic. So what is Warner doing? Trying to get in to the big screen to make ridiculous $$$$$ if done right. Understand?

This movie is not being made because of a successful cartoon on the Cartoon network....

DACrowe didn't say it was, and he's pretty much right on.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Oh ****. He's back.

 

[UltimateJustin]

DACrowe didn't say it was, and he's pretty much right on.

Steelsheen did suggest that the JL series minor popularity secured major box office numbers for the film, though. Thats never the case with anything. Transformers flopped in the middle of it having a hit show in '86, Masters of the Universe was not a hit a few years after it was the first ever children's action figure with an animated series, and a ridiculous success. The fact that Batman and Superman, and the enchanting Wonder Woman are in it does mean its not going to be a disaster, but it doesnt mean its going to get Spiderman numbers. It could easily just get by with 200mil. Batman makes 200, Superman makes 200, Batman and Superman together doesnt mean you get 400.. its still the same audience, it doesnt double just because the characters do.

 

[TheVileOne]

Steelsheen did suggest that the JL series minor popularity secured major box office numbers for the film, though. Thats never the case with anything. Transformers flopped in the middle of it having a hit show in '86, Masters of the Universe was not a hit a few years after it was the first ever children's action figure with an animated series, and a ridiculous success. The fact that Batman and Superman, and the enchanting Wonder Woman are in it does mean its not going to be a disaster, but it doesnt mean its going to get Spiderman numbers. It could easily just get by with 200mil. Batman makes 200, Superman makes 200, Batman and Superman together doesnt mean you get 400.. its still the same audience, it doesnt double just because the characters do.

Umm this was the point DACrowe was making. Hit TV shows do not guarantee awesome BO numbers.

WB is NOT making this movie in order to gross $200 million either.

 

[Steelsheen]

Not to get drawn into a debate, but I see you poking the flames for a fanboy war...

well how's this a go:

Batman TAS was the most porfitable and biggest action cartoon of the '90s, Superman TAS was another big hit. Both are DC's heavy hitters, both barely scratched $200 million domestic.

So why will the JLA cartoon, which was only on cable (so got less viewing than BTAS, STAS, Spider-Man TAS and X-Men) mean this movie is going to be a behemoth? What? So people are wetting themselves over Martian Manhunter? Get real. The only bit of novelty this ill-fated project (that I call it merely because it reeks of rushed sutido greed to capitalize on a "dying genre" as soon as possible) is seeing Wonder Woman on the big screen which will draw girls and obviously boys of all ages to see it.

I'm not a Marvel zombie, Batman is my second fav. character. I'm just saying a cartoon being a hit on CN does not equate a $300 million+ box office.

Umm this was the point DACrowe was making. Hit TV shows do not guarantee awesome BO numbers.

WB is NOT making this movie in order to gross $200 million either.

and no one is saying its a guarantee. nothing can guarantee BO gold. however the interest from the GP-- the pulse from the nation so to speak-- is enough to greenlight a project. why do you think they greenlit JLA and not just stop with the Watchmen if public interest meant nothing? and am i the only one who notice how folks are specially keen on anything JLA related? theres that extra spark of interest in their faces and their voice. whether thats due to old childhood memories or something new and different that piques their interest is the buzz that studios kill for.

also, domestic numbers arent the end all and be all of a franchise, the world wide numbers count for just as much on the bottom line. i travel quite a bit, and i tell you, the merchandise for Bruce Timm's Justice League in its hayday is as ubiquitous as Pokemon and DBZ.

 

[TheVileOne]

and no one is saying its a guarantee. nothing can guarantee BO gold. however the interest from the GP-- the pulse from the nation so to speak-- is enough to greenlight a project. why do you think they greenlit JLA and not just stop with the Watchmen if public interest meant nothing? and am i the only one who notice how folks are specially keen on anything JLA related? theres that extra spark of interest in their faces and their voice. whether thats due to old childhood memories or something new and different that piques their interest is the buzz that studios kill for.

What folks? People on the internet? That's hardly the best gauge. This doesn't really prove anything and it just sounds like opinion to me.

Superman is one of the most popular, iconic, and well known characters of all time. Superman is even bigger in peoples' childhood memories than the JLA overall I'd say. But the movie still disappointed.

WB is making a huge mistake in rushing this movie.

also, domestic numbers arent the end all and be all of a franchise, the world wide numbers count for just as much on the bottom line. i travel quite a bit, and i tell you, the merchandise for Bruce Timm's Justice League in its hayday is as ubiquitous as Pokemon and DBZ.

Batman and Robin believe it or not moved merchandise as well. This is hardly what I'd call concrete either.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Umm this was the point DACrowe was making. Hit TV shows do not guarantee awesome BO numbers.

WB is NOT making this movie in order to gross $200 million either.

HRRMMM I know, I was repeating it for my own satisfaction.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

I don't want to write it again, so I'm cutting and pasting from another post of mine.
"Warner can produce a movie about paint drying on a wall and still make money.
With their structure between theatres, DVDs and sales to Tv worldwide all their movies are already paid for before hitting screens.
Italian Tv group Mediaset (owned by our previous clownish Prime Minister SIlvio Berlusconi) some months ago signed a contract with which they pre-buy TV rights for all Warner TV series and movies for 160 million € (like 240 million $) for every year. And that's just for Italy."

 

[dnno1]

I don't want to write it again, so I'm cutting and pasting from another post of mine.
"Warner can produce a movie about paint drying on a wall and still make money.
With their structure between theatres, DVDs and sales to Tv worldwide all their movies are already paid for before hitting screens.
Italian Tv group Mediaset (owned by our previous clownish Prime Minister SIlvio Berlusconi) some months ago signed a contract with which they pre-buy TV rights for all Warner TV series and movies for 160 million € (like 240 million $) for every year. And that's just for Italy."

Is that per movie and TV show or the total package?

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

Is that per movie and TV show or the total package?

The total package every year. Series already sold to other TV channels (like ER) are excluded from the contract. But as you can see Warner has already a good chunk of its production budget covered (add pay Tv rights sales and multiply for every major nation, you get more than 1 billion $ every year.)