James Bond In Skyfall - Part 10

[Tacit Ronin]

LOL, you know what I mean. The tweets and first reactions after the press screenings for TDKR were extremely positive. ("Better than TDKR!" and all that) Then, when it came to the actual reviews from the more reliable critics, the response was more mixed. However, with Skyfall, it seems that is a moot point because the actual reviews are as glowing as the twitter reactions.

Don't forget "Nolan's best film!!!" and "On par with GOdfather part 2!!!!!".

 

[TheVileOne]

Is that why they gave Taken2 and Bourne Legacy 2 stars?

Once again, they gave Quantum of Solace same rating as this movie .

 

[Marvolo]

Once again, they gave Quantum of Solace same rating as this movie .

And maybe they felt it was good. Not everyone thinks the film is horrible. I like it. It works well as an emotional denouement to CR.

 

[Ajendo]

Fair enough, @TheVileOne but if it was just Empire giving SF a top mark but every media outlet, reputable and everything else is hailing SF as a top movie and is being critically acclaimed across the board. So that's that.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

And maybe they felt it was good. Not everyone thinks the film is horrible. I like it. It works well as an emotional denouement to CR.

That is a great way to put it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Empire is putting Quantum of Solace on the same level as this movie. It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of this being the best Bond ever and all when Empire ranks them the same way .

So yes, Empire does go gaga over everything. There are exceptions to the rule which Bourne and Taken 2 are I guess. But w'ever, I don't write for Empire.

 

[DKDetective]

Empire is putting Quantum of Solace on the same level as this movie. It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of this being the best Bond ever and all when Empire ranks them the same way .

So yes, Empire does go gaga over everything. There are exceptions to the rule which Bourne and Taken 2 are I guess. But w'ever, I don't write for Empire.

I don't put much stock in Empire's opinion, especially after they gave TDKR 5 stars and heaped unremitting praise upon it. I also find their "The Top...." lists laughable.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

New clip!

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I must say Berenice is about as comprehensible as Marion Cotilard was in Inception.

 

[Marvolo]

Empire is putting Quantum of Solace on the same level as this movie. It kind of takes the wind out of the sails of this being the best Bond ever and all when Empire ranks them the same way .

So yes, Empire does go gaga over everything. There are exceptions to the rule which Bourne and Taken 2 are I guess. But w'ever, I don't write for Empire.

You can't put much stock in these scores. They dont grade on a curve. Each movie is evaluated individually on whether it accomplished what it set out to accomplish. Roger Ebert gave Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter 3 stars and he also gave Avengers three stars. Does that mean he views them on the same level? No. Read the review, and ignore that score. A number of stars wont tell you crap about a movie on its own if you don't know what the poerson who gave it those stars is actually thinking or how/why the came to that conclusion.

 

[regwec]

Exactly, Marvolo.

 

[Marvolo]

New clip!

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I must say Berenice is about as comprehensible as Marion Cotilard was in Inception.

Yeah I had to rewatch that a couple times to get what she was saying, but I think that has more to do with the low volume level. I think in theaters she will be understandable if the levels are right, and people are listening well. Is it just me or did Bond seem more reserved, suave, and confident than in Craig's first two outings? And, damn, she is a beautiful woman. Interesting that she smokes. Not something you see in female characters much anymore.

 

[regwec]

I think it conforms to the perception that most sexy European brunettes seem to smoke.

 

[flickchick85]

I must say Berenice is about as comprehensible as Marion Cotilard was in Inception.

Less so, imo.

You can't put much stock in these scores. They dont grade on a curve. Each movie is evaluated individually on whether it accomplished what it set out to accomplish. Roger Ebert gave Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter 3 stars and he also gave Avengers three stars. Does that mean he views them on the same level? No. Read the review, and ignore that score. A number of stars wont tell you crap about a movie on its own if you don't know what the poerson who gave it those stars is actually thinking or how/why the came to that conclusion.

Yeah, I was at a Q&A with Roger Ebert once many years ago (back when he could speak normally), and one of the audience members was ribbing him for giving the Santa Clause 2 a higher star-rating than....something else that's of a much higher prestige (Gladiator, I think?). He said he bases his star rating on expectations, holding the movie up to next to other movies like it for comparison. So while Gladiator may be found wanting next to the likes of Ben-Hur, Spartacus and Braveheart, compared to other kiddie Christmas movies, Santa Clause 2 earned those 3 stars, dammit.

 

[Marvolo]

Less so, imo.


Yeah, I was at a Q&A with Roger Ebert once many years ago (back when he could speak normally), and one of the audience members was ribbing him for giving the Santa Clause 2 a higher star-rating than....something else that's of a much higher prestige (Gladiator, I think?). He said he bases his star rating on expectations, holding the movie up to next to other movies like it for comparison. So while Gladiator may be found wanting next to the likes of Ben-Hur, Spartacus and Braveheart, compared to other kiddie Christmas movies, Santa Clause 2 earned those 3 stars, dammit.

And its a good way to look at it imo. Gotta keep things in their context.

 

[obin_gam]

Yeah, I was at a Q&A with Roger Ebert once many years ago (back when he could speak normally), and one of the audience members was ribbing him for giving the Santa Clause 2 a higher star-rating than....something else that's of a much higher prestige (Gladiator, I think?). He said he bases his star rating on expectations, holding the movie up to next to other movies like it for comparison. So while Gladiator may be found wanting next to the likes of Ben-Hur, Spartacus and Braveheart, compared to other kiddie Christmas movies, Santa Clause 2 earned those 3 stars, dammit.

That actually makes really good sense.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Looks like the trend of "Third Bond movie is the best" is back.

Goldfinger
The Spy Who Loved me
TWINE


The World is Not Enough is the only abnormality

 

[regwec]

And Goldfinger, since FRWL was better.

So, Roger Moore's third film was best. Maybe Daniel Craig's, too, though you are assuming that this will never be surpassed.

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah the 'third movie' theory doesn't quite work. I love Goldfinger as much as anyone else but yeah I think the more understated FRwL was the better film. Goldfinger was hailed to the fact it perfected the iconic 'Bond' formula that was used again and again in the later films. Don't want to dismiss Goldfinger too much here, that was my impression.

Meanwhile TWINE was a dull mess that had some decent moments. But boy was it boing.

So it only works with Moore.

 

[Octoberist]

I wonder if Skyfall will play into Berenice's Asian heritage. Her character's make-up makes her look more Eurasian along with her being in China. It has to be somewhat intentional right?

I can bet anyone who is not familiar with her as an actress will think she's part Asian right away.

 

[Ajendo]

New clip!

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I must say Berenice is about as comprehensible as Marion Cotilard was in Inception.

I posted this a few pages ago.

 

[The Englishman]

I wonder if Skyfall will play into Berenice's Asian heritage. Her character's make-up makes her look more Eurasian along with her being in China. It has to be somewhat intentional right?

I can bet anyone who is not familiar with her as an actress will think she's part Asian right away.

To me she sounded like she was doing a Chinese accent in the clip...

 

[Ajendo]

Jane Crowther @totalfilm_jane
Bond vs Silva in skyfall is like batman vs the joker. Delicious.

Kate Muir @muirkate
In my haste to review #SKYFALL, failed to mention that cinematographer Roger Deakins is a god.

David Winter @davidwinter (aka "The Admiral")
#SKYFALL DONE - been to press screening - Bond back to its roots. 5 stars.

 

[The Joker]

Looks like the trend of "Third Bond movie is the best" is back.

Goldfinger
The Spy Who Loved me
TWINE


The World is Not Enough is the only abnormality

Agreed.

Goldfinger is the best Bond movie of the Connery era. In my opinion it's still the best Bond movie of all time. It still has not been topped. I hear Spielberg said it's his favorite Bond movie, too.

Yeah the 'third movie' theory doesn't quite work.

It only doesn't work for you personally if you don't think the third movie for each Bond actor was their best. For a lot of people Goldfinger is the best.

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Nearly 50 years later it still often gets hailed as the best one: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...oldfinger-still-stands-out-as-best-007-bunch/

Here over 15'000 Bond fans voted for the Best Bond movie of all time, and Goldfinger came in second place after Casino Royale; http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/interact_poll_results_2012_best_james_bond_film.php3

So it obviously doesn't only work for Moore when it comes to third movies

 

[The Batman]

^ Yeah, Goldfinger is widely regarded as not only Connery's best bond film, but the best bond film period. I don't even regard GF as my favorite Connery Bond, but GF is definitely an example of the "Third Bond movie is best" theory.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

To me, it does work for Connery and Moore, and Goldfinger is not only the best Connery Bond to me, but the best Bond. I'm not going to argue that it's "objectively" a better movie than From Russia with Love, though, because, although they are both great Bond movies, From Russia with Love is a different kind of movie. It evolves from Dr. No, more of the elements are in place, but it's one of the few Bonds that works as a real spy thriller. Goldfinger adds that tongue-in-cheek humor that wasn't so vital before.

The World Is Not Enough I like, but it's Brosnan's third best, so the theory doesn't work for him.