James Bond In Skyfall - Part 7

[DyeLorean]

The James Bond theme in any trailer or tv spot just makes it 10 times better.
That new tv spot, those last seconds are so gooood.

 

[SuperBatman]

That Bond Tv spot is great when will they release the next trailer? With Total Recall?

I was really shocked we didn't get a New Trailer with the Dark Knight Rises

 

[Webhead2006]

You did get the imax one if u saw tdkr in imax.

 

[Dark Raven]

That better not be the extent of the James Bond theme we hear this year. QOS didn't include it at all. I want that theme everytime he does something particularly Bondian.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It is hard to make the theme work in a way that doesn't come off incredibly cheesy. Casino Royale and QoS used it correctly imo.

 

[Ajendo]

Pure Bond. Hell is erupting around him and he's casually fixing his watch as if there's nothing to worry about.

Adjusting his cuff you mean.

 

[Dark Raven]

It is hard to make the theme work in a way that doesn't come off incredibly cheesy. Casino Royale and QoS used it correctly imo.

Like not at all?

I don't think it's cheesy. Are we now ashamed of using the Bond theme in a Bond movie?

 

[Webhead2006]

I still think we will have classic theme used fully in the film. Come on its the 50th anni and all.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It is hard to make the theme work in a way that doesn't come off incredibly cheesy. Casino Royale and QoS used it correctly imo.

Wrong once again. It's not that hard at all.

 

[Marvolo]

Just my opinion, but using anything too much takes away from it. The few times its been used in Craigs films has been just right. I dont want to hear it every five minutes or everytime Bond does something. If every moment is a Bond theme moment it just becomes numbing. Besides its a theme amongst an entire score. Gotta let the rest of the score shine.

 

[Dark Raven]

No-one is saying to have it every five minutes, but in CR and QOS it was barely featured beyond one or two notes of it. That is hardly the right amount. That is just going to the opposite extreme. It's a Bond movie. They shouldn't be ashamed of such an iconic theme that is part of the experience. That's how we end up with these very generic scores which don't seem to have any melody at all but just a bunch of background sounds and notes.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya I agree we don't need it throughout the whole film but used more fully like at start/end/or middle of the film I don't see the problem.

 

[the dmg]

Adjusting his cuff you mean.

Like a boss.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wrong once again. It's not that hard at all.

The Bond theme isn't the Force Theme. It is more akin to the Star Wars theme or Superman March. It would overpower pretty much any scene it was used, and not in a good way. There is a reason these major themes give way to more character and scene specific themes throughout the films they are featured.

Like not at all?

I don't think it's cheesy. Are we now ashamed of using the Bond theme in a Bond movie?

It is cheesy. That is why using it in right way is so important. I don't want Bond driving down the road or walking about with the music randomly playing in the background just because it is the Bond theme. Watching Dr. No, while Bond is doing nothing but driving down the street and you hear the theme. It's just bad.

It should be used when appropriate. Both CR and QoS did that. If that means only the beginning or end, then so be it. It is all about what is best for the film.

No-one is saying to have it every five minutes, but in CR and QOS it was barely featured beyond one or two notes of it. That is hardly the right amount. That is just going to the opposite extreme. It's a Bond movie. They shouldn't be ashamed of such an iconic theme that is part of the experience. That's how we end up with these very generic scores which don't seem to have any melody at all but just a bunch of background sounds and notes.

OHMSS had its own theme, that worked a gazillion times better in the film then the Bond theme ever would have in those same scenes.

It should be used at the beginning and/or the end, but unless it works in the context of the film, there is absolutely no reason to just drop it into the film because it is "iconic".

And CR probably had the best score outside of OHMSS. So it isn't like generic is coming in.

 

[Marvolo]

The score should fit the scene. The bond theme is used when the composer and director feel its necessary or warranted. I trust the directors and composers to make the right decision. I like the Bond theme but when its overused it loses its spark. When Bond takes out the bad guy or does that one truly badass thing that every Bond movie needs its a bond theme moment. Driving down the road or the smaller victories throughout the film dont warrant it at least not in full force.

My favorite bond theme moment is still the end of CR. When Bond walks up those steps and looks at Mr. White and says "Bond, James Bond" it was an awesome moment. ****ing out the theme throughout the rest of the movie would have taken away from that final moment imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The score should fit the scene. The bond theme is used when the composer and director feel its necessary or warranted. I trust the directors and composers to make the right decision. I like the Bond theme but when its overused it loses its spark. When Bond takes out the bad guy or does that one truly badass thing that every Bond movie needs its a bond theme moment. Driving down the road or the smaller victories throughout the film dont warrant it at least not in full force.

My favorite bond theme moment is still the end of CR. When Bond walks up those steps and looks at Mr. White and says "Bond, James Bond" it was an awesome moment. ****ing out the theme throughout the rest of the movie would have taken away from that final moment imo.

I love every thing about this moment. Mr. White answers the phone, a few words and then bam! his leg explodes. The theme slowly creeps up on White, the reveal with the UMP (I love how Bond is casually playing with his phone), Bond answers White's question and finally the theme in full force. Nothing else comes close.

It is one of my favorite moments when it comes to film. It is the kind of subtle badassness that has never quite been achieved in these films before.

 

[vanson]

nowadays is comes off cheesy.. i dont think the classic theme would fit to craigs bond.. but altering it to a modern version would imo

i agree with darthskywalker... imagine some bond beat in CR (like walking to the casino or winning the poker tournament) and then the classical theme.. i dont see that work... the whole score must fit to that..

 

[Dr Lee]

the CR scene Marvolo mentioned is a good example of how a use of the iconic tune could be done well.

I'd not be averse to the tune appearing just before the end of the movie again

 

[Marvolo]

Im liking the electronic sounding theme they are using in the trailers and tv spots for this film. I hope to hear more of it soon. I think the original theme as we know it wont be used a whole lot in the new film except maybe once or twiced. I do think we will be hearing the electronic synth version quietly chiming in throughout the score, tho. Just not the full force traditional theme.

 

[Dave McFly]

Man I just found out that David Arnold (who has done all the Bond films from Tomorrow Never Dies to Quantum) is not doing the score for this one but Thomas Newman is, I hope the music as good, I really liked Arnold's take on the 007 films.

 

[flickchick85]

Thomas Newman is awesome, so I have high hopes.

 

[Dark Raven]

The Bond theme isn't the Force Theme. It is more akin to the Star Wars theme or Superman March. It would overpower pretty much any scene it was used, and not in a good way. There is a reason these major themes give way to more character and scene specific themes throughout the films they are featured.



It is cheesy. That is why using it in right way is so important. I don't want Bond driving down the road or walking about with the music randomly playing in the background just because it is the Bond theme. Watching Dr. No, while Bond is doing nothing but driving down the street and you hear the theme. It's just bad.

It should be used when appropriate. Both CR and QoS did that. If that means only the beginning or end, then so be it. It is all about what is best for the film.



OHMSS had its own theme, that worked a gazillion times better in the film then the Bond theme ever would have in those same scenes.

It should be used at the beginning and/or the end, but unless it works in the context of the film, there is absolutely no reason to just drop it into the film because it is "iconic".

And CR probably had the best score outside of OHMSS. So it isn't like generic is coming in.

Again, I never said to have the Bond theme every 5 minutes or even to use it in places like in Dr No or FRWL where he's doing nothing but walking back and forth from his room and its playing. But I do think it's appropriate when there is a triumphant moment - eg he makes an escape in something unusual during a chase, or he does something to outwit his enemy.

And I think it's taking things a bit too far to start thinking every classic element of Bond is cheesy, as some people are almost suggesting.

One would get the impression that such people cringe at any of these elements while sitting in the theatre:

Oh no, it's the Bond theme playing!

I can't believe he said "Bond, James Bond!"

Q is in this?

Look, it's a Bond girl of all things!

He calls himself James Bond in this? What a cheesy name!

What? This is a Bond movie I'm watching?

 

[Marvolo]

Again, I never said to have the Bond theme every 5 minutes or even to use it in places like in Dr No or FRWL where he's doing nothing but walking back and forth from his room and its playing. But I do think it's appropriate when there is a triumphant moment - eg he makes an escape in something unusual during a chase, or he does something to outwit his enemy.

And I think it's taking things a bit too far to start thinking every classic element of Bond is cheesy, as some people are almost suggesting.

One would get the impression that such people cringe at any of these elements while sitting in the theatre:

Oh no, it's the Bond theme playing!

I can't believe he said "Bond, James Bond!"

Q is in this?

Look, it's a Bond girl of all things!

He calls himself James Bond in this? What a cheesy name!

What? This is a Bond movie I'm watching?

Ok now you are overreacting a bit. None of us said that the Bond theme is cringe worthy, but it has a place and purpose. Those Iconic moments. After 50 years Bond driving and taking out a lackey isn't n iconic moment. It is par for the course. So its best to save the theme for the really standout badass moments.

Man I just found out that David Arnold (who has done all the Bond films from Tomorrow Never Dies to Quantum) is not doing the score for this one but Thomas Newman is, I hope the music as good, I really liked Arnold's take on the 007 films.

Thomas Newman is awesome, so I have high hopes.

Oh, definitely Newman composes beautiful scores so I look forward to it. It will be a nice refresher after Arnold. Don't get me wrong Arnold has Bond down pat, but I think with Newman's sensibilities, and Sam Mendes style we are gonna get something special. They've collaberated before, and know what the other wants. And Newman's resume speaks for itself: WALLE, Finding Nemo, Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, Cindarella Man, The Green Mile etc. He's had 10 Academy Award nominations, but has yet to win one so maybe this will be his winning score. God knows he deserves it.

 

[Dave McFly]

I am sure Newman will do a good job but I just always loved David's stuff it was almost as if he was channeling the great John Barry in some of his queues. and I agree they should not just shove the 007 theme in our faces but make it a bit more subtle. some of my fave bits was when Craig as 007 put on that tux in Casino nice use of the 007 theme there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im liking the electronic sounding theme they are using in the trailers and tv spots for this film. I hope to hear more of it soon. I think the original theme as we know it wont be used a whole lot in the new film except maybe once or twiced. I do think we will be hearing the electronic synth version quietly chiming in throughout the score, tho. Just not the full force traditional theme.

Yeah, whatever we have heard so far in the trailers has been really nice.

Ok now you are overreacting a bit. None of us said that the Bond theme is cringe worthy, but it has a place and purpose. Those Iconic moments. After 50 years Bond driving and taking out a lackey isn't n iconic moment. It is par for the course. So its best to save the theme for the really standout badass moments.






Oh, definitely Newman composes beautiful scores so I look forward to it. It will be a nice refresher after Arnold. Don't get me wrong Arnold has Bond down pat, but I think with Newman's sensibilities, and Sam Mendes style we are gonna get something special. They've collaberated before, and know what the other wants. And Newman's resume speaks for itself: WALLE, Finding Nemo, Shawshank Redemption, Road to Perdition, Cindarella Man, The Green Mile etc. He's had 10 Academy Award nominations, but has yet to win one so maybe this will be his winning score. God knows he deserves it.

That is a good way of putting it. Once you start needing a checklist to watch a film, you have lost any sort of originality or creativity.

That is what makes CR such a breath of fresh air for the most part. It has some of those elements, but for the most part they are organic.

Again, I never said to have the Bond theme every 5 minutes or even to use it in places like in Dr No or FRWL where he's doing nothing but walking back and forth from his room and its playing. But I do think it's appropriate when there is a triumphant moment - eg he makes an escape in something unusual during a chase, or he does something to outwit his enemy.

And I think it's taking things a bit too far to start thinking every classic element of Bond is cheesy, as some people are almost suggesting.

One would get the impression that such people cringe at any of these elements while sitting in the theatre:

Oh no, it's the Bond theme playing!

I can't believe he said "Bond, James Bond!"

Q is in this?

Look, it's a Bond girl of all things!

He calls himself James Bond in this? What a cheesy name!

What? This is a Bond movie I'm watching?

Q is a perfect example of what we are talking about. A classic element that is being used in a different, more film appropriate manner. He is there, but he is clearly a different animal from what we have seen before. He doesn't even seem like Nolan's Fox.