James Bond In Skyfall - Part 6

[Blue Sugar]

Soooo many cool shots! I want gifs of all of them!

 

[Matt]

And I'm saying -- rights and other issues aside -- I always specifically respect authorial intent. That's just me. Fleming created Bond, and I feel to just discard his intentions and vision is disrespectful.

If that is the case then you should respect that Fleming made the choice to sell the rights of the character and give creative control to the Broccoli's to create a film version of said character.

And I'm knocking the Brocollis. They did waht they did in the area that they had to. But if you even look at the most celebrated Bond films:

From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Spy Who Loved Me
For Your Eyes Only
Goldeneye
Casino Royale

5 out of the 7 above feature, in some form or the other, a personal story for Bond. Be it that Bond was duped and wants revenge Jack Gittes style, or that Bond's fallen in love, or that Bond's been betrayed -- all contain that element. Also note that ALL of them feature a more down-to-earth, grittier-for-the-time Bond that's jokes are reigned in and arrive more organically in the story.

But all of those movies that you list with one exception are far cries from anything Fleming wrote.

 

[Roose Bolton]

On her majesty's secret service was incredibly close to the novel

 

[The_Raganork]

If that is the case then you should respect that Fleming made the choice to sell the rights of the character and give creative control to the Broccoli's to create a film version of said character.



But all of those movies that you list with one exception are far cries from anything Fleming wrote.

No. Some are far Cries, most have subtle differences but the same core idea and story.

 

[Marvin]

after so many years of bond, this looks awfully redundant.
guess that's the point.

 

[Matt]

I just realized that there even is a teaser. Looks cool. Not even remotely like a James Bond movie, but cool.

 

[Symbiotic]

Cool teaser. I wonder if that's Bardem as the figure in the shadows walking away from the fire.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Skyfall comes across as a Christopher Nolan wannabe. They went from Bourne wannabe to Nolan wannabe.

NOLAN!!!

M- Some men, just want to watch the world burn.

 

[Hurm...]

Skyfall comes across as a Christopher Nolan wannabe. They went from Bourne wannabe to Nolan wannabe.

Hahahaha, what?!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah, but most teasers aren't this random. You know what you're looking at. But imagine someone with no knowledge whatsoever. They'd just be sitting there thinking, "this is a Bond movie, right?"

Plus, the Avengers has has shown that audiences have grown tired of dark and moody films. They want the fun, bombastic stuff again. So, they should have gone back to the conventional teasers where the action scenes and hot Bond girls are the selling point. Not... "oh, look. fancy roger deakins cinematography."

The general public isn't gonna care. Sony/MGM need to re-think the marketing campaign. This might excite fans but I highly doubt the general public's reaction will be more than, "meh."

Holy ****, I didn't know Faraci had a SHH account.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Funny to announce bluray set for Bond after preming teaser for film that doesn't look like James Bond.This Is looking like more like a bourne or 24 type film than a Bond film.

When they talk about return to classic Bond they must mean doing film more like Casino royale than QoS

Since they rebooted Skyfall Is Bond 3.Is The Dark Knight rises Batman 7? Is The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man 4? Is Man of steel Superman 6?

The bond that moviegoes came to love died with Die Another Day.

In Casino Royale Novel Bond wasn't a rookie.It does mention how he became a 00 agent(which was basis for film version black and white prologue) and much of first half of film apart from prologue was different.There was no huge action sequence at end of novel like In film.

 

[Liam_H]

Holy ****, I didn't know Faraci had a SHH account.

Lol, that woke me up.

 

[Matt]

Funny to announce bluray set for Bond after preming teaser for film that doesn't look like James Bond.This Is looking like more like a bourne or 24 type film than a Bond film.

When they talk about return to classic Bond they must mean doing film more like Casino royale than QoS

Since they rebooted Skyfall Is Bond 3.Is The Dark Knight rises Batman 7? Is The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man 4? Is Man of steel Superman 6?

The bond that moviegoes came to love died with Die Another Day.

In Casino Royale Novel Bond wasn't a rookie.It does mention how he became a 00 agent(which was basis for film version black and white prologue) and much of first half of film apart from prologue was different.There was no huge action sequence at end of novel like In film.

That post is a jumbled mess. From the one point that I can make out, I disagree that

The Bond that moviegoes came to love died with Die Another Day.

Casino Royale and QOS can fit just fine in the Bond movie continuity. I mean, it is already a fairly loose continuity (due to it spanning five decades and everything), but if you just take them as prequels to the others, it fits into the loose continuity just as well as any other Bond movie.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Bond might have died with the disaster that was DAD, but he sure was resurrected with CR – maybe my favorite Bond-film!

Damn it would be boring and stale if nothing ever changed. And I know plenty of general moviegoers that loves the Craig-era so far. Times change and so does everything else, for better or worse.

Yeah I love to see some throwbacks to classic Bond-films and elements no doubt and I think we will get some with this one (just not shown in the teaser). But it would be so boring with a trite re-hash of the same old stuff. That's why people started getting bored with the Brosnan films, I know several who had grown tired of the Bond-concept before CR came and re-freshed it.

Oh and I so love Bond firing the handgun in the teaser, so casually cool!

 

[Marvin]

Holy ****, I didn't know Faraci had a SHH account.

lol indeed.

 

[JAK®]

You hold a gross misunderstanding of Fleming's novels, and if you cite Casino Royale as good because it was "Bond doing his job again" than that speaks to you not really getting it.

Casino Royale, next to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, is perhaps the MOST personal Bond story Fleming wrote. Bond literally falls in love, and the "spy plot" resolves itself 3/4 of a way through the novel, letting the rest meditate on the destruction of a relationship due to the toxic nature of espionage.

I'm a purist. No actor portraying Bond - including the great vaunted Connery -- is greater or more important than Fleming. Craig, whether fans like it or not, represents the closest representation to Bond since OHMMSS. Fleming's Bond was largely humorous, and when he was it was in a cutting way. He was largely bitter most of the time, and took an almost personal insult in every single case he took. He delighted in taking on the Bond villain for the pure principle of "my malehood versus his malehood."

Bond has a sense of duty, but it's actuated by an intense habit to make EVERYTHING personal. Look at his feud with Hugo Drax in Moonraker, if you've read the novel. He goes down their first, yes, to take on Drax but it their battle of wits becomes insanely personal. Hell, even as they play cards at Blades Bond is already personally invested in teaching this man a lesson. In Diamonds are Forever, he at first takes on the job and then largely becomes more and more invested in punishing -- not killing -- Jack Spang and the others for the mere sake of how they disgust him. In Live and Let Die, his emotions and anger from Vesper's betrayal carries over into him taking on SMERSH. When Felix is mauled, it becomes insanely personal. In fact, M picks him SPECIFICALLY because Bond has a personal history with SMERSH. In Dr. No, Strangeways and Quarrel's deaths both motivate Bond to take the job more seriously and more personal. Thunderball, we have much the same disgust at criminality that motivates Bond. Goldfinger is perhaps Fleming's least personal Bond story, but Bond's male rivalry with Goldfinger himself is very clearly personal and goes beyond Queen and Country.

In From Russia With Love, Bond does not care about the Lector. But it's not out of duty, it's because the Lektor is a clear ploy and set up by the Russians. Why would he care? In the novel, Bond goes out of a sort of boredom, excited by the prospect of a job after having months of boredom. He then finds himself feeling sorry for Tatiana and things become personal when he falls for her and Karim is murdered. In the film, it sets it up much the same sans the boredom Bond was feeling prior to the job. He heads to Istanbul out of a perverse intellectual curiosity.

If you look at most of Fleming's novels, the constant theme is that the duty of Bond doing his job never stays that way, and that each mission has a much more, unforeseen personal toll on Bond each and everytime. But whatever the personal toll, Bond must always reign in his personal feelings by the climax in order to get the job done, which inevitably costs him more and more personal angst than had he been able to exercise his personal feelings. This is reinforced twice in QoS when Bond lets Green live so he can get the information for M (which is the boon of the story) as well as when he spares the life of the man who conned Vesper (also allowing them more info). This takes place in the novels too, where Bond is either denied his revenge or personal emotive satisfaction, or puts it aside to get the job done. Just look at the first few Bond novels, where Bond himself never actually gets to directly kill the Bond villain. SMERSH kils Le Chifree, Mr. Big dies faraway in an explosion that while caused by Bond is very impersonal, Hugo Drax dies by his own hand with Bond just focusing on surviving, Jack Spang dies in a train crash that is a errant consequence of his and Bond's fight. In all these cases, Bond is denied personal satisfaction yet gets the job done. By the time Bond arrives at On Her Majesty's Secret Service, he's tired and eager for real love -- thus why he finds Tracey. And in You Only Live Twice, we get a sense of what's left over after Bond's last attempt to escape the poison of the spy business fails -- he is a suicidal wreck of a man hellbent on revenge.

I'm not saying Bond movies are prefect. I think some people treat the films with more reverie then the source material, which created one of the greatest film icons of all-time. ANd I don't knock the Brocollis too much, because they have helmed a character who has existed for so long and so permeates our culture. I do find the Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig movies more engaging because they begin to challenge Bond's emotional responses to his job, much the same way Fleming did with Bond.

But to sit here and say that because Roger Moore wore a suit and ordered around soldiers for Queen and Country, somehow made him a better Bond and more Bond -- that's just entirely false. Even Fleming, in his novels, has a constant theme of insubordination on the part of Bond. It was never for Queen and Country so much as it was for M -- and the principal Bond always returns to, and is always loyal to, is getting the job done.

Craig perhaps embodies that perfectly in that he is a bulldozer spy that does not stop until he's crushed you and finished you. He is an agent that M wields specifically because he is a blunt instrument that gets the job done, and finds a personal investment in each and every case.

Look, I wasn't making any claim that Bond never made things personal, or even anything about Fleming's Bond specifically. My point was that the movies based on Fleming novels remained closer to the theme of espionage and were more authentic in how they did so, because their plots were informed by the writings of a man who actually knew what he was talking about when it comes to espionage. I consider movie Bond to be different from Fleming's Bond but the movies are still better when they stick to their roots.

My main issue is against films like Quantum Of Solace which completely subvert Bond's role as an agent and turn him into another brooding action hero with a vendetta.

So yes, I'm fine with Bond developing a personal relationship during his missions but not to the extent that it compromises his role as a spy.

I'm not 'missing the point' when I say that I enjoy seeing Bond in his naval uniform, following procedure. I'm just expressing why I'm interested in the character in the first place.

 

[Raiden]

It seems like they intended kept Javier Bardem's character under wrap, for now. Did anyone notice him in the trailer?

 

[Blue Sugar]

 

[marvelrobbins]

Moonraker was Die another Day of It's day and did they reboot after It?Hell
no they simply did a more down to earth bond film with For Your eyes only and keep the same actor as bond.

It's hard to view the craig films as part of bond films.The series has always
had a loose contunity but trying to view Casino Royale and QoS before
any of previous 20 Is very hard.

 

[Fenrir]

Not a big Bond fan though I do like him in small, controlled doses every now and then. After watching that trailer this has shot up straight to my Top 3 of this year's must-see list right alongside Prometheus and The Dark Knight Rises.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

This teaser was absolutely amazing. The shots are beautiful. Looks like its gonna be action packed!

 

[The_Raganork]

What?

It's a reboot. Why is that hard to grasp? It has started over. Just because they didn't reboot before doesn't mean they should have never done it ever.

In Goldeneye Bond suggest Dench M just arrived. In Casino Royale he's just becoming a 00 agent and Dench M has been there a while.

They obviously are NOT related. How is it hard to imagine a new continuum in the Bond series.

These things aren't made to cater to what we want, if it were we'd have Goldfinger 34 times.

The charge of a team making up these films is to give us something enjoyable whilst also pushing the limits and giving us something new.

It's time to open our eyes and realize we don't always know what's best for our favorite things. Part of the joy is seeing where it goes, if it fails like DAD then we frown, if it works like CR we smile.

But allow them the chance to try to be different without *****ing about it. We're not owed Bond films, we're not entitled to them.

they are creative works that thrive on being creative, different and ever changing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Deakins was the star of the teaser. My f****** god.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

That teaser was amazing

 

[Blue Sugar]

As always Rags comes in and pinpoints exactly how I feel in one swift stroke.

Silhouette glory in this awesome shot.