James Bond In Skyfall - Part 6

[Silvermoth]

I really didn't like Dalton as Bond. I like him in everything else but not as Bond. Pierce was alright but I like Craig's Bond more. Connery is king of course.

 

[DACrowe]

Never cared for Dalton myself. Just always seemed kind of dull to me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love Dalton, but not as Bond. It didn't help that his second film was terrible in every possible way.

 

[Kurosawa]

I liked Dalton's Bond but he never made a classic...all the others did.

 

[The Englishman]

What would people have thought of Dalton if he had come in a film early and left a film late. Is it not true that he was offered A View to a Kill and GoldenEye was written with Dalton in mind?....

 

[Roose Bolton]

Dalton on a View to a Kill would be weird, but hey maybe it'd work he's certainly talented enough to elevate the material.

It's very easy to see him in Goldeneye, though his relationship with Alec Trevelyan would be a little different, Brosnan and Bean were roughly the same age, and the relationship was like that of two brothers. So maybe Dalton's age would affect that?
Either way I think he'd do well.

 

[regwec]

A View To a Kill was a pretty tepid affair, in my opinion, but GoldenEye was a stunning debut for Brosnan and would have been a stunning finale for Dalton.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dalton was considered as young man to replace Connery In On her majesty's secret
service but turned It down as being too young.After Moonraker Moore almost left the series(he was wooed back for for your eyes only,Octoppussy,and A View to a Kill after
planning to leave but they keep convincing him to stay on,and they even tried to convince him to stay for the Living Daylights but he was determinded to retire as Bond)
and Dalton was top contender to replace him for For Your Eyes Only(the Bond visiting his wife's grave and the appearance of the thinly disguised Blofeld was so a new Bond would be connected to past) but studio felt Moore could be persured to return.Goldeneye
was originally written for Dalton but their were changes made to script from when It still loked like Dalton would return and when Brosnan took over.The villain was originally older and was superior of Bond who appeared to be captured not his frequent partner (They were hoping for Anthony Hopkins In this version of script) and there was more mystery to It and Bond was Investigating the disappearance or killings of scientists

 

[Ajendo]

Brosnan was a good Bond in that it was his charm more so than his acting that kept the movies afloat. Bond movies will always make money and the idea of questioning Bond's relevance in the world is obtuse. So intelligence gathering, national/international security is a past time contained to just the cold war?? I don't think so. Brosnan was a popular actor and this was made clear by various interviews of the gegenral public's impression of his casting. He had the typical "look" that people came to associate with Bond.

However, through no real fault of his own, Brosnan's movies declined with every subsequent release imo. His acting didn't particularly help either, which I suppose doesn't count for much because he wasn't really given strong material to work with anyway. The Brosnan era spent too much time box-ticking typical, past time cliches and often delved into self parody just to make the audience feel comfortable and remind them that we're watching a Bond movie.

Brosnan not returning is something he needs to get over and accept. It's not like he initially had plans to come back anyway because he didn't even want to do a 5th initially. However, if I were Brosnan i would be pissed at the fact that the level of care, detail and the caliber of the scripts, actors, production and the high level of effort going into these movies is something the producers just felt they didn't need to do with him in the role. That can be seen as a somewhat huge slap to the face but what ever. Craig is here, Craig is a far superior Bond and Craig is bringing back a Bond that can be taken seriously as opposed to the juvenile nonsense of the Brosnan era.

Here's a gift for ya...

 

[Sebastos]

Nice find.

 

[DACrowe]

What would people have thought of Dalton if he had come in a film early and left a film late. Is it not true that he was offered A View to a Kill and GoldenEye was written with Dalton in mind?....

Both would have to be different. AVTAK is far too silly and campy for Dalton. I'd argue it was even too campy for Moore. GE just fit Brosnan so well--Connery's charm, Moore's more subtle humor and Brosnan's own use of kind of weary bitterness. It may have been written with Dalton in mine, but Brosnan made it his own. However, I could see Dalton in that film if it was rewriten and directed differently than what's in the film.

 

[DACrowe]

Brosnan was a good Bond in that it was his charm more so than his acting that kept the movies afloat. Bond movies will always make money and the idea of questioning Bond's relevance in the world is obtuse. So intelligence gathering, national/international security is a past time contained to just the cold war?? I don't think so. Brosnan was a popular actor and this was made clear by various interviews of the gegenral public's impression of his casting. He had the typical "look" that people came to associate with Bond.

Not really. There was a very "World Problems are Over" Attitude in the West after the Berlin Wall came down. Even with all the civil strife in the ME, Africa, former Soviet states, etc. it was all viewed as "small potatoes" to the prosperous US or UK for that matter.

In 1992 Francis Fukuyama wrote a book that appealed to neocons and anti-war liberals alike called "The End of History and the Last Men."

"What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: that is, the end point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."

The US and UK both scaled back their intelligence budgets and priorities in the 1990s. GE-TWINE reflected this mood.

Brosnan not returning is something he needs to get over and accept. It's not like he initially had plans to come back anyway because he didn't even want to do a 5th initially. However, if I were Brosnan i would be pissed at the fact that the level of care, detail and the caliber of the scripts, actors, production and the high level of effort going into these movies is something the producers just felt they didn't need to do with him in the role. That can be seen as a somewhat huge slap to the face but what ever. Craig is here, Craig is a far superior Bond and Craig is bringing back a Bond that can be taken seriously as opposed to the juvenile nonsense of the Brosnan era.

I agree Brosnan aired the laundry in public too much (albeit has he said anything about it since 2007??). However, EON handled the situation terribly when they stringed him along in case they couldn't find a replacement actor and then only told him he was out when they cast Craig at the last minute. But I'm somewhat biased, because I always wanted to see Bond do a darker tone like CR. He proved he could with certain scenes in TND and TWINE, but they never gave him the material. Though some of that "juvenile material" is missed as MI4 showed by filling the void. I like Craig, so I'm fine with it. But I wish Brosnan gota better film to go out on.

 

[Dr Lee]

That is a great shot

 

[Gold Samurai]

However, through no real fault of his own, Brosnan's movies declined with every subsequent release imo. His acting didn't particularly help either, which I suppose doesn't count for much because he wasn't really given strong material to work with anyway. The Brosnan era spent too much time box-ticking typical, past time cliches and often delved into self parody just to make the audience feel comfortable and remind them that we're watching a Bond movie.

I felt "The World is Not Enough" fits that description. The woman in particular were just relegated to spouting off their one liners/innuendo dialog.

"I know exactly where to put that..."

"...or someone's going to have my ass"

Where's the realistic dialog?


Another tick off the check box is that there HAD to be a car with gadgets. This led to the over- saturation and overuse of the machine.



What's funny is I liked Dalton in Living daylights because it had all the usual trappings of Bond(minus all the sleeping with girls)

I guess the globe trotting and espionage were the highlights for me.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Though Dalton never had the classic film, he is still my favorite Bond. His portrayal just in my opinion falls closer in line with Fleming's man, and he looked the most similar too.

GE as originally written could have been great. From what I've heard they lightened the tone considerably when Bros came on board.

 

[vanson]

another clapperboard picture :

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I find the Craig Bond films pretty boring overall, especially the last. Casino Royale was good and it set a new tone for the character, but I've always loved the bigger then life feel of the bygone era of Bond (particularily the Connery and Moore films). And the villians were something I looked forward to the most. These new villians are generic bores.

 

[Sebastos]

another clapperboard picture :

Nice this is for the shoot in Fethiye, Turkey.

 

[The Guard]

And Moore. In retrospect, I don't Craig would have had the backlash in 2005-2006 if EON hadn't said Brosnan was going to be back in Bond the year before.

As I recall, the backlash tended to be less about people loving Brosnan, and more about Craig not "suiting" or looking like Bond, because most people, and even many fans, were more familiar with handsome, dapper, dark-haired Bond of the movies, and not so much the books themselves. That, and not many were familiar with Craig.

 

[chaseter]

Yes, the backlash was because people thought Craig looked nothing like Bond. They really ragged on his dirty blonde hair. It didn't help that a shot of him in his tight swim suit was distributed around online. People went ape ****.

 

[Webhead2006]

well the type of film bond is and what they wanted for casino royale was a change. Doesnt mean we wont see those classic bond tropes done again. Hell craig has said he like to have all that stuff. and so far this film may be what we been looking for.

 

[Octoberist]

Yes, the backlash was because people thought Craig looked nothing like Bond. They really ragged on his dirty blonde hair. It didn't help that a shot of him in his tight swim suit was distributed around online. People went ape ****.

The hair argument was weird because Moore has light hair too. Not exactly blond but it was nowhere as dark as Connery, Lazenbry, or Dalton.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

To dye or not to dye: a potential thread to rival "to bleach or not to bleach"

 

[vanson]

I found this Skyfall Segment in some kinda vlog from a German cinema magazine.
Its from the same Press day as the BBC / ET Stuff we already know.
But besides Interviews with Daniel,Javier and Berenice there is some more stuff.
The Interviewer also talks with:
Dennis Gassner (Production Design) and Jany Termine (Costume Design) about their respective fields.
[ In the part with Dennis Gassner you can see some production art from the Casino in the background
(dragons and the how it looks from the outside)]

And he talks with Chris Corbould (SFX). he doesnt spill anything about gadgets or something like that
(only what bonds car cant do as a joke i guess ..)
he mostly talks about how great the script is etc..

Its all in german but the answers are not dubbed, so anyone can listen to it.

[YT]wyXZx90lY70[/YT]

5:22 - 6:57 Daniel Craig
9:30 - 14:00 Javier Bardem / Berenice Marlohe
14:00 - 15:50 Chris Corbould
16:32 - 18:20 Dennis Gassner
18:53 - 22:22 Jany Termine

 

[vanson]

I made snapshots of the production art from the casino and shanghai sequence.

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