James Bond In Skyfall - Part 6

[ChickenScratch]

I think Fleming's Bond is really hard to separate from the 1950s and the Cold War era that sprung almost immediately out of WWII. But EON's Bond? It's been it's own thing since Goldfinger to me and the whole way he treats women, the way he dresses, drinks, views the world, etc. in movies all feels like a product of the '60s to me. At least on screen.

Iif you wish to ignore the 8 books, comic adaptations, radio plays, merchandising, TV movie, all before 1960. When and how you or the public at large become aware of a literary character does not make him a product of that era. Fleming wrote contemporary stories, EON makes contemporary movies (shortest gap between book and movie was GF in '59 and '64) and even they adapted things to make them set in the present

By that token one can say Superman is a product of the 70's with Donner's work, or Batman a product of 89, or John Carter a product of 2012, LOTR even.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm surprised Bond is even shocked when he finds one of his ex-lovers dead the amount of times it happens to him.

Bond finds more dead women in hotel rooms than the CSI.

Bond takes things personally all the time. He does the same thing with Jill Masterson in Goldfinger, and unlike Paris in TND, he only knew her for a few hours. M even chews him out for it.

The worst films for it are On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence to Kill, and Quantum of Solace. In all three he blatantly ignores his orders because he is personally compromised.

 

[ChickenScratch]

If they adapted them right there would be a couple more when Bond was emotionally/mentally compromised.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

If they adapted them right there would be a couple more when Bond was emotionally/mentally compromised.

There are others, but those three are notable in that he's being outright insubordinate. He probably would have been thrown in prison for the rest of his life after what he pulled in OHMSS in real life. He was certainly emotionally compromised in Diamonds Are Forever, for example, but he isn't shown to outright defying his superiors.

 

[Ajendo]

 

[Ajendo]

 

[baerrtt]

Bond takes things personally all the time. He does the same thing with Jill Masterson in Goldfinger, and unlike Paris in TND, he only knew her for a few hours. M even chews him out for it.

The worst films for it are On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence to Kill, and Quantum of Solace. In all three he blatantly ignores his orders because he is personally compromised.

Thank you. Bond from the moment he brutally kills Professor Dent ("And You've had your six") in DR NO has always been a man, despite his veneer of cool professionalism, who takes things personally.

What I like about QOS's climax, and despite it's flaws what I think is the point of the picture in regards to Bond's character development, is that he ulitmately doesn't kill Greene or Yusef.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Thanks for the picture, Ajendo

 

[Ajendo]

No problem

 

[Ajendo]

 

[Ajendo]

 

[ChickenScratch]

There are others, but those three are notable in that he's being outright insubordinate. He probably would have been thrown in prison for the rest of his life after what he pulled in OHMSS in real life. He was certainly emotionally compromised in Diamonds Are Forever, for example, but he isn't shown to outright defying his superiors.

Or he could just join a reconstituted SPECTRE? Oh, that's right, Role Of Honor by John Gardner.

 

[DACrowe]

Iif you wish to ignore the 8 books, comic adaptations, radio plays, merchandising, TV movie, all before 1960. When and how you or the public at large become aware of a literary character does not make him a product of that era. Fleming wrote contemporary stories, EON makes contemporary movies (shortest gap between book and movie was GF in '59 and '64) and even they adapted things to make them set in the present

By that token one can say Superman is a product of the 70's with Donner's work, or Batman a product of 89, or John Carter a product of 2012, LOTR even.

EON's Bond is hardly the literary character. That's like saying Bela Lugosi's Dracula isn't a product of 1920s/30s parlor room melodrama and Hollywood horror. Bram Stoker created the literary Dracula, but the cinematic image of him as Bela Lugosi is quite different.

Ian Fleming created James Bond. Despite the lip service EON pays, their Bond departed from the literary counterpart in 1963 and we're discussing Bond films and the prospect of him in relation to the 1960s. The movie Bond who avoids sharkpits in hallowed out volcanoes, drinks martinis, fires ejector seats from his Aston Martin, rides around on jetpacks and beds half-a-dozen girls an adventure, usually with a joke to tell, has more to do with Sean Connery, Terrence Young and Guy Hamilton than it does with the scarred, psychologically brooding and embittered Bond Fleming wrote about. To Fleming, "Moonraker" means a card game. To EON it means space adventures. That's the difference.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

EON's Bond is hardly the literary character. That's like saying Bela Lugosi's Dracula isn't a product of 1920s/30s parlor room melodrama and Hollywood horror. Bram Stoker created the literary Dracula, but the cinematic image of him as Bela Lugosi is quite different.

Ian Fleming created James Bond. Despite the lip service EON pays, their Bond departed from the literary counterpart in 1963 and we're discussing Bond films and the prospect of him in relation to the 1960s. The movie Bond who avoids sharkpits in hallowed out volcanoes, drinks martinis, fires ejector seats from his Aston Martin, rides around on jetpacks and beds half-a-dozen girls an adventure, usually with a joke to tell, has more to do with Sean Connery, Terrence Young and Guy Hamilton than it does with the scarred, psychologically brooding and embittered Bond Fleming wrote about. To Fleming, "Moonraker" means a card game. To EON it means space adventures. That's the difference.

Agreed, except I'd go back even further to 1962 and Dr. No. Some of the familiar Bond elements didn't show up in that film, but Bond was pretty much Connery/Young as opposed to the literary version from his very first scene.

 

[The Guard]

There's always a fruitcart/stand.

 

[Webhead2006]

It is best to keep him comtemparory. It works best for me. Plus as all points others have said.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Blofeld in DRAG in DAF has to be one of the worst moments of the series. Never was crazy about Charles Gray in the role anyway but that was just lame. Jimmy Dean as a Howard Hughes inspired Willard Whyte was oddly hilarious. DAF was like the precursor to the Moore era except it wasn't nearly as good as some of Moore's efforts.

Take a look at this scene where Connery looks like he couldn't give a crap about Blofeld and his diamond laser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt_Kn4DggPg

 

[Sebastos]

Great stuff as always Ajendo.

 

[AnneFan]

Bond'd wardrobe in this movie is so stylish.

 

[protocida]

New tidbits of information from Omelete.

1. Most of the movie is set in London, but there are also scenes in Istambul, Shangai and Scotland.

2. Ralph Fiennes is Gareth Mallory, a government agent who supervises the MI6.

3. The movie is more humorous than previous installments, but it's still very serious. In fact, the only major difference between the first draft and the shooting Script is that there's more comedic lines in the latter.

4. James Bond 24 is not confirmed for 2014. It's still wishful thinking by Sony Pictures President Rory Buer at this point.

5. Naomie Harris is Eve, a field agent whose skills match Bond's. She's already working with him during the opening sequence in Istambul, but she's not a 00 agent.

6. Ola Rapace is Patrice, one of the villains. He has dealings with Silva, played by Javier Bardem.

7. Silva is more of a "classic" Bond villain, a little more threatning and over-the-top than Le Chiffe in Casino Royale.

8. Bond's relationship with M, and how she's somewhat of a surrogate mother to him, is explored.

9. Sévérine, played by Bérénice Marlohe, is described as a "complex" characters, not good, not bad, not just a Bondgirl.

10. The opening sequence has Bond and Eve facing Patrice in a farmer's market in Istambul, in a chase scene that includes "cars, motorcycles, rooftops, trains, secret agents, policemen, gunfire and much more".

 

[marvelrobbins]

New tidbits of information from Omelete.

1. Most of the movie is set in London, but there are also scenes in Istambul, Shangai and Scotland.

2. Ralph Fiennes is Gareth Mallory, a government agent who supervises the MI6.

3. The movie is more humorous than previous installments, but it's still very serious. In fact, the only major difference between the first draft and the shooting Script is that there's more comedic lines in the latter.

4. James Bond 24 is not confirmed for 2014. It's still wishful thinking by Sony Pictures President Rory Buer at this point.

5. Naomie Harris is Eve, a field agent whose skills match Bond's. She's already working with him during the opening sequence in Istambul, but she's not a 00 agent.

6. Ola Rapace is Patrice, one of the villains. He has dealings with Silva, played by Javier Bardem.

7. Silva is more of a "classic" Bond villain, a little more threatning and over-the-top than Le Chiffe in Casino Royale.

8. Bond's relationship with M, and how she's somewhat of a surrogate mother to him, is explored.

9. Sévérine, played by Bérénice Marlohe, is described as a "complex" characters, not good, not bad, not just a Bondgirl.

10. The opening sequence has Bond and Eve facing Patrice in a farmer's market in Istambul, in a chase scene that includes "cars, motorcycles, rooftops, trains, secret agents, policemen, gunfire and much more".

I like talk of one liners like from original Bond series making comeback.So hopefully Daniel Craig will be able to show sense of humor In this film.

As for women In film My concern Is we get back to womanzing Bond.In QOS we had a step In right direction with Fields now If they want to honor Bond's 50th annivarsary on screen what better way than to have Bond sleep with both Eve and Severine during course of film.Not both at once of course.

If Silva Is like those classic bond villans from previous Bond series that Is another step In right direction.I hope Bond producers remember the classic Bond films andthey aren't just comparing this to Casino Royale.

Serious people M Is suspose to be Bond's boss not his surrograte mother.

It looks like we may have a classic Bond chase scene at begining.

 

[Kurosawa]

TMWTGG is a pretty weak entry but it had a good villain in Scaramanga. Thats always been one of the odd things about that movie. The premise is good but the execution was "meh."

Blofeld in DRAG in DAF has to be one of the worst moments of the series. Never was crazy about Charles Gray in the role anyway but that was just lame. Jimmy Dean as a Howard Hughes inspired Willard Whyte was oddly hilarious. DAF was like the precursor to the Moore era except it wasn't nearly as good as some of Moore's efforts.

Gray was a good actor, but badly miscast as Blofeld. He was fantastic in Fisher's The Devil Rides Out with Christopher Lee.

 

[obin_gam]

As for women In film My concern Is we get back to womanzing Bond.In QOS we had a step In right direction with Fields now If they want to honor Bond's 50th annivarsary on screen what better way than to have Bond sleep with both Eve and Severine during course of film.Not both at once of course.


It looks like we may have a classic Bond chase scene at begining.

I'll bet everything I have that the pre-title-sequence is gonna end with Bond and Eve getting ready to "go at it" just as the scene zooms to the title sequence ia. classic bond!

 

[Ajendo]

Bond sleeps with at least 3 women in SF.

 

[Ajendo]

Great stuff as always Ajendo.

Always a pleasure.