James Bond In Skyfall - Part 9

[flickchick85]

Personally I dislike The World is Not Enough more than Die Another Day, which too was a mess. But I thought Die Another Day had enough..creative energy to make it kinda watchable. Kinda.

I never even got around to watching DAD. They lost me completely with TWINE, and I had no intention of watching any new Bond movies after that. It took me a while to warm up to the idea that Casino Royale might actually be able to redeem the franchise.

 

[Marvolo]

I really like the first 30 minutes of Die Another Day. After that it turns to ****.

 

[Slushy]

So I went ahead and put the Blu-Ray discs inside them. The cases are slimmer and have much better cover art. Aside from the botch job with Die Another Day, Ultimate Editions indeed!

And Dalton looks most like Fleming's depiction of Bond.

Exactly, it is amazing how close Dalton looks to Fleming's description of Bond, also independently of that I really like his look better than the others and I confirm that by looking at the magazine covers, that is how Bond should look IMO. Of course this is all personal preference.

In the Casino Royale novel, Bond is described looking like the late American singer, Hoagy Carmichael

to which Daniel Craig has an eerie resemblance to

 

[Dark Raven]

If you're talking about Surrender, then I'm with you. If you're talking about the main title song, TND, then it's easily in my bottom 5 Bond songs.

Well of course he's talking about the main title song, because he said by Sheryl Crow, and she sings that one, and not Surrender by KD Lang, so it's not "if you are talking about." Did you even need to ask?

And as for Sheryl Crow's song, I prefer it to Surrender, which sounds more like a David Arnold pastiche song (where pastiche seems to be the very thing that represents the Brosnan era).

However, I feel that the sound of TND (obviously not the lyrics) seems more fitting for Goldeneye than the actual film it's associated with. It has a more Eastern European sound (particularly that plucked string bit which sounds like a Russian Balalaika just before the lyric "it's so deadly my dear...", which fits with the Russian theme of Goldeneye.

 

[Gianakin_]

I needed to ask because I didn't know who sang which song and I was too bored to look it up.

 

[ChickenScratch]

So I went ahead and put the Blu-Ray discs inside them. The cases are slimmer and have much better cover art. Aside from the botch job with Die Another Day, Ultimate Editions indeed!



In the Casino Royale novel, Bond is described looking like the late American singer, Hoagy Carmichael

to which Daniel Craig has an eerie resemblance to

Interesting. But if you remember the line in the book, he looks to Vesper like Carmichel. It's her frame of reference we are using. I go by the commissioned drawing done for Ian which looks more like Dalton. But eh. it's not like they Bond actors don't look similar enough already.

 

[Dark Raven]

Anyone think that if Dalton were in his peak now, and came after Craig, he would be better received? He was ahead of his time and probably too much of a contrast from Moore back then to audiences.

 

[chamber-music]

Dalton would of been better recieved if he followed Daniel Craig for sure. I don't think audiences were ready for Daltons take on the character in the 80s epecially after the long more light hearted take from Moore.

So I heard Adeles Skyfall theme. I like that they worked the Bond theme in there. I think the chorus is a bit weak.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Dalton will always be my favorite. I often wonder how GE would have turned out of they had kept him on. It would have been great seeing his Bond play against the new Barbra M. Brosnan never quite captured that cold war relic feel to him she kept going on about.

 

[Ajendo]

New footage from the Location scouting tour, plus, some footage from the IMAX Trailer.

Exclusive look at SKYFALL: Film Locations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAaVWIuUPg

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The biggest problem with Dalton is that he never got to do a great Bond film. Both of his were good, not great. Every other Bond actor got at least one that has stood the test of time, even Lazenby who was only in one.

Since we are talking about worst Bond films, I also like Surrender better than Tomorrow Never Dies. At the very least KD Lang is an infinitely better singer than Sheryl Crow even in general. Much better voice.

My bottom five Bond songs: The Man with the Golden Gun, Moonraker, Never Say Never Again, Die Another Day, and Another Way to Die. The disco remix of Moonraker that plays over the end credits is better than the actual song that plays over the opening.

 

[Ajendo]

Proper look at Finney as Kincade

Spoiler

 

[knowsbleed]

Most memorable Bond song? For me... Goldfinger, easily. Though I can have You Know My Name on repeat all day long.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Most memorable Bond song? For me... Goldfinger, easily. Though I can have You Know My Name on repeat all day long.

Goldfinger, Live and Let Die, and Nobody Does It Better are the Big 3.

 

[Dark Raven]

There was some website (I can't remember which) that said that there are basically 3 types of Bond songs:

1) The big, brassy numbers like Goldfinger
2) The mournful, reflective songs like You Only Live Twice
3) The fast, action-oriented pieces like Live & Let Die.

And they said that Skyfall fits into the 2nd category.

However, I don't think Nobody Does it Better, Moonraker, For Your Eyes Only and All Time High fit into any of those and seem to be in a category of their own. They're great songs, but they're rather tuneful, less melancholic and could sound like independent hit songs for something else other than Bond. They're certainly not big and brassy or action-oriented. They now seem like odd misfits in the series.


That said, I would, however, like to hear a future Bond song in the style of one of those.

 

[chamber-music]

Proper look at Finney as Kincade

Albert Finney hanging with Bourne and now Bond t:

 

[Marvolo]

Proper look at Finney as Kincade

Spoiler

I have no idea who this character is. Is his character spoiler material?

 

[craigdbfan]

Can't believe no one has mentioned Diamonds Are Forever. That's one of the top Bond songs for me. Anything Shirley Bassey I basically love and Adele's Skyfall seems like a more ominous version of those themes especially DAF.

Diamonds Are Forever, You Know The Name, Goldfinger are currently my top three. I'm pretty sure Adele's will rank up there once we get the full version.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

DAF is a good Bond theme. Terrible movie, but good theme.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

In the Casino Royale novel, Bond is described looking like the late American singer, Hoagy Carmichael

True, though I'm talking more about Ian Fleming's commissioned sketch of Bond than the inspirations for Bond. The drawing is what Fleming imagined what Bond would actually look like.

 

[Destructus86]

Dalton would of been better recieved if he followed Daniel Craig for sure. I don't think audiences were ready for Daltons take on the character in the 80s epecially after the long more light hearted take from Moore.

So I heard Adeles Skyfall theme. I like that they worked the Bond theme in there. I think the chorus is a bit weak.

I don't know if it's that...I never liked Dalton. I felt he was just way too boring. He just felts lifeless.

 

[craigdbfan]

You know Dalton is actually a damn good pick but like some have said he was ahead of the times in terms of his performance.

In terms of looks he's dead on too. I wish we would have seen him in present time with shorter hair that was actually gelled and combed back along with a Daniel Craig CR physique and we probably would have had one of the best Bonds.

Unfortunate to say the least.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That was one of my problems with Dalton too. He was too serious in the role. I know Dalton has much charm and wit to him, but he didn't show it much as Bond. People make the comparison to Daniel Craig, but Craig's Bond had much more wit and charm to him (though it is mostly dry humor) than Dalton did in the role, especially in License to Kill.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I never even got around to watching DAD. They lost me completely with TWINE, and I had no intention of watching any new Bond movies after that. It took me a while to warm up to the idea that Casino Royale might actually be able to redeem the franchise.

TWINE is pretty bad when you think about it as starts off as a great Bond movies and becomes a complete letdown, like DAD. The first 40 minutes of TWINE was pretty good and once Denise Richards, among other things shows up, they start reverting back to the Bond formula and the movies becomes a mess. It was like trying to fit a square peg into a circle. TWINE had a lot of potential to be different but they stuck to the formula.



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[ChickenScratch]

True, though I'm talking more about Ian Fleming's commissioned sketch of Bond than the inspirations for Bond. The drawing is what Fleming imagined what Bond would actually look like.

As I mentioned before, the Carmichael reference to his looks is coming from Vesper. It's who he looked like to her. He could look exactly like him, or merely resemble him, but that's what Vesper thought. Obviously with the drawing it's a more exact approximation of what he looks like.

As for Dalton's acting. I found him most like Bond as written of them all. Bond was never a particularly likable and charming guy.