Guardians of the Galaxy James gunn fired!!! - Part 2

[Grommers]

The investigator/whistle blower is a political player and he moved and the old tweets because of the link to US Presidential politics. Nobody in Hollywood would touch Guardians Vol III with a 10 foot pole, until the next Democratic administration in 2020 or 2024.

Thats just incorrect...I imagine a lot of directors are going to be vying hard for the job. Marvel films are easy too film provided you follow their plan, you don't deviate from the plan, and it brings you quite big recognition.

(Easy to film versus having to do everything from scratch. they give you a strong base to work with.)

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Thats just incorrect...I imagine a lot of directors are going to be vying hard for the job. Marvel films are easy too film provided you follow their plan, you don't deviate from the plan, and it brings you quite big recognition.

(Easy to film versus having to do everything from scratch. they give you a strong base to work with.)

I disagree, anyone who touches the modern blacklist will never get Oscar buzz from their peers again.

 

[Prettyricky]

The investigator/whistle blower is a political player and he moved and the old tweets because of the link to US Presidential politics. Nobody in Hollywood would touch Guardians Vol III with a 10 foot pole, until the next Democratic administration in 2020 or 2024.

Ok but correct me if im wrong did gunn give that whistleblower ammo to get him in trouble? Had gunn not posted tasteless jokes would he still not be gearing up for gaurdians 3 as we speak? At some point youhave to blame gunn bottom line

 

[jr24tw]

Nobody in Hollywood would touch Guardians Vol III with a 10 foot pole, until the next Democratic administration in 2020 or 2024.

I disagree, anyone who touches the modern blacklist will never get Oscar buzz from their peers again.

There are plenty of directors, especially female and minorities, who barely get a chance in the industry. I doubt their big priority is getting Oscar buzz. And Marvel has shown their willingness to be risky by even going to TV directors/writers, Indie film writers/directors etc. as long as they are the right fit. And those people would be stupid not to jump at the chance to get their names into a big blockbuster to hopefully get more recognized and get more work.


The general audience simply doesn't care who directs. I bet most of them couldn't even name the director of GOTG1+2. And most of them haven't even heard about this James Gunn/Disney debacle and that's even more true of the non-American countries in the rest of the world.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There are plenty of directors, especially female and minorities, who barely get a chance in the industry. I doubt their big priority is getting Oscar buzz. And Marvel has shown their willingness to be risky by even going to TV directors/writers, Indie film writers/directors etc. as long as they are the right fit. And those people would be stupid not to jump at the chance to get their names into a big blockbuster to hopefully get more recognized and get more work.


The general audience simply doesn't care who directs. I bet most of them couldn't even name the director of GOTG1+2. And most of them haven't even heard about this James Gunn/Disney debacle and that's even more true of the non-American countries in the rest of the world.

All of this is true. But what people may notice is GotG3 turns out vastly different from 1 & 2 and is inferior quality. Marvel either needs someone that can make a movie similar enough to a James Gunn movie using his script as the blueprint, or someone who is going to deliver a movie as much as audiences liked 1 & 2 even if it is different. That won't be an easy task.

 

[Zarex]

To suggest that the average Joe Moviegoer doesn't have a clue about Disney's stupid decision is silly. The MCU is the biggest ongoing film franchise in history. That dumb decision and the subsequent fallout is a huge ongoing story and will be until Feige figures out a plan for the wildly successful series to which his bosses put a torch.

I agree Gunn shouldn't have oughta made a handful of tasteless jokes years ago on the Twitter Machine, and almost exclusively before he signed his contract. But should saying stupid stuff - not actually doing anything inappropriate either before his hiring or during his tenure - have ended up in his dismissal after delivering two wildly successful films? That does not and will never make a lick of sense to me. This should have ended with an apology from Gunn, a statement from the Mouse that "Those statements in no way reflect the values of the Walt Disney Company" and filming on Volume 2 starting in a few months.

 

[Lilbaz]

To suggest that the average Joe Moviegoer doesn't have a clue about Disney's stupid decision is silly. The MCU is the biggest ongoing film franchise in history. That dumb decision and the subsequent fallout is a huge ongoing story and will be until Feige figures out a plan for the wildly successful series to which his bosses put a torch.

I agree Gunn shouldn't have oughta made a handful of tasteless jokes years ago on the Twitter Machine, and almost exclusively before he signed his contract. But should saying stupid stuff - not actually doing anything inappropriate either before his hiring or during his tenure - have ended up in his dismissal after delivering two wildly successful films? That does not and will never make a lick of sense to me. This should have ended with an apology from Gunn, a statement from the Mouse that "Those statements in no way reflect the values of the Walt Disney Company" and filming on Volume 2 starting in a few months.

It isn't a big story. None of my freinds know anything about it and outside of this site i've only seen it mentioned once unless you search for it. People have their own lives to get on with this isn't even a blip. It might be different in america with the whole love/hate trump arguments but in the uk no-one i know is bothered.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The truth is there are only a small handful of directors your average moviegoer knows. Gunn isn't one of them. But like I said, they will be able to tell if something is "off" with the GotG and if it feels different.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

All of this is true. But what people may notice is GotG3 turns out vastly different from 1 & 2 and is inferior quality. Marvel either needs someone that can make a movie similar enough to a James Gunn movie using his script as the blueprint, or someone who is going to deliver a movie as much as audiences liked 1 & 2 even if it is different. That won't be an easy task.

It never is, but at the same time Marvel has been consistently delivering for a decade. They've earned the benefit of a doubt. There is no reason to assume GOTG3 will be lousy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It never is, but at the same time Marvel has been consistently delivering for a decade. They've earned the benefit of a doubt. There is no reason to assume GOTG3 will be lousy.

Not lousy for sure. But, will GotG3 be more The Dark Word or Ragnarok qualitatively? That's the question.

 

[Travesty]

Not lousy for sure. But, will GotG3 be more The Dark Word or Ragnarok qualitatively? That's the question.

But a lot of people didn't like GotG2 compared to the first. So it really woudn't matter if people are going to question the quality of the third, as fans have already done so within the two movies itself.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But a lot of people didn't like GotG2 compared to the first. So it really woudn't matter if people are going to question the quality of the third, as fans have already done so within the two movies itself.

I think Vol 2 is way more popular overall than people on here think it is. If anything, it seems more divisive amongst fans of the MCU than to the general audience at large.

Vol 2 scored a 7.7 IMDB (1 scored 8.1), 88% audience score (1 has a 92%), and it has a A Cinemascore (same as 1). It also had good staying power at the BO. So, people liked it a lot. It's a more popular movie than I think you guys think it is. Yeah, all these shows a drop relative to GotG1, but still well ahead of many MCU sequels.

 

[Grommers]

I think Vol 2 is way more popular overall than people on here think it is. If anything, it seems more divisive amongst fans of the MCU than to the general audience at large.

Vol 2 scored a 7.7 IMDB (1 scored 8.1), 88% audience score (1 has a 92%), and it has a A Cinemascore (same as 1). It also had good staying power at the BO. So, people liked it a lot. It's a more popular movie than I think you guys think it is. Yeah, all these shows a drop relative to GotG1, but still well ahead of many MCU sequels.

I expected more out of GotG2 - it got a decent score - but I don't think its the best that the guardians could have produced, namely my biggest gripe with it was the CGI in some of the scenes was just god awful.

But quality overall I guess was comparable to GotG1 but again, I still feel like movies like Ant-man which might not be doing the same numbers as GotG, is still a very comparable movie. Based on Watiti's comments about having to throw a couple more jokes in Ragnarok, I do imagine they have some what of a formula that the new director will have too take. (Keep in mind Marvel still has yet to have a major financial blunder.) I mean even the star wars has one now with Solo.

So, I don't see quality dipping to the point of a massive fall out, quality may dip slightly but it'll be around the same, I mean Gunn clearly set up the movie to look aesthetically a certain way. The only way the new person can really screw it up that bad is if they do a Rian Johnson and just crap on the previous 2 installments. Which I highly doubt they would do.

 

[Travesty]

Well, who knows, maybe Disney will let Rian Johnson direct GotG3?

 

[terry78]

As soon as we meet Adam Warlock he gets killed.

 

[skybender]

Well, who knows, maybe Disney will let Rian Johnson direct GotG3?

I can picture it now. The Last Guardian of the Galaxy, by Rian Johnson. All the humor gone because "subversion." Star Lord spends most of the movie locked in his room, crying because of the loss of Gamora. Mantis hands him Gamora's sword as a reminder, and he just tosses it over his shoulder like garbage. Upset, Mantis leaves the group and turns to Adam Warlock. At first, he tortures her, but then Mantis realizes they have a special mind connection, and after she sees him in a towel, they fall in love and decide to rule the galaxy. Drax, Rocket, and Groot go on a super long side quest that amounts to nothing, but they learn about capitalism and free some animals (ignoring slave children) so they view it as a win and retire. In the end, Star Lord shows up to save the day and confront Adam, but it turns out that he just projected himself there with holograms and dies from radiation poisoning. We end with a seemingly crazy green lady drinking green milk from alien boobs; she turns around and it's revealed to be Gamora! End scene. The Last Guardian of the Galaxy.

PS Rian Johnson please don't steal my script idea, okay? I know it looks like a masterpiece to you.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Okay guys, enough junk about Rian Johnson. Thank you

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We as a society mostly agree being a bigot is unacceptable (those that would disagree are a minority at this point). But, political affiliation is a freedom we are all granted. That is a freedom that should be extended, otherwise we should stop living under this guise that we actually have freedom and just call our society what it is: corporate fascism. In a world where you cannot say anything because a company will just fire for having opinions they don't like, that is what you're endorsing whether you know it or not.

We as a society have mostly agreed being a bigot is unacceptable. That is why the goalpost for what makes one a bigot continue to change all the time. Like look at all the "political" arguments in the US over the last ten years. Look at the bigotry that was hidden by the idea of it just being "politics".

Being a Nazi is a political affiliation.

Also isn't a big part of a freedom for political affiliation, the ability of a company to hire and fire people based on how they represent themselves and the company? Is anyone saying one cannot say whatever they want outside of threats and/or harassment? A big part of that is realizing that others are able to react with that same freedom.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Also isn't a big part of a freedom for political affiliation, the ability of a company to hire and fire people based on how they represent themselves and the company? Is anyone saying one cannot say whatever they want outside of threats and/or harassment? A big part of that is realizing that others are able to react with that same freedom.

What this sounds like to me is an excuse for a company to fire you because of your beliefs, not the merit of your character. That to me is a violation of your basic freedom. No employer should ever have the right to say something like "Be and vote for Party X or you're fired." That is just flat wrong. People fled to America to avoid persecution like this. Back then it may have been religious persecution. This may not be death or something like that as a punishment, but it is along the same lines. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Not lousy for sure. But, will GotG3 be more The Dark Word or Ragnarok qualitatively? That's the question.

Maybe. But even the lesser Marvel films like The Dark World or Iron Man 2 or Age of Ultron were still successful. The difference in the response to something like GOTG2 and TDW is certainly noticeable and would probably make a small impact at the box office, but it isn't that significant.

I think it would take something truly bad like Justice League or Amazing Spider-Man 2 for more than the diehard fans and professional critics to notice.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Okay guys, enough junk about Rian Johnson. Thank you

Honestly? I think he would be a good choice. I really liked TLJ and there were some Guardians-esque moments in that film. He would just need to dial those aspects up. He managed to put some life back into Star Wars after the somewhat more safe and bland TFA.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly? I think he would be a good choice. I really liked TLJ and there were some Guardians-esque moments in that film. He would just need to dial those aspects up. He managed to put some life back into Star Wars after the somewhat more safe and bland TFA.

I loved TLJ personally. But I don't want him to be hired for my own sanity. Last thing I want is every MCU forum to devolve into Rian Johnson and TLJ trashing. Hence why I posted that warning in the thread. It was derailing into just a string of joke posts about TLJ. Do you realize how much modding I would have to do if he was hired? LOL

 

[2kt09]

Not lousy for sure. But, will GotG3 be more The Dark Word or Ragnarok qualitatively? That's the question.

Were the Russos not an upgrade from Whedon?
Was Waititi not an improvement over the previous Thor directions?
How about Shane Black?

All these rhetorical questions to suggest a change in creative tends toward a fresher pov as much as some wanted Gunn to be the first cbm director in years to direct a trilogy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Were the Russos not an upgrade from Whedon?
Was Waititi not an improvement over the previous Thor directions?
How about Shane Black?

All these rhetorical questions to suggest a change in creative tends toward a fresher pov as much as some wanted Gunn to be the first cbm director in years to direct a trilogy.

Debatable. IW is definitely better than AoU, but I still prefer The Avengers. The Avengers also stands as my favorite MCU film still. As for other examples, IM3 is better than IM2 but not IM1. Waititi made the best Thor film, agreed. But point being, not all director changes in MCU yielded a better movie. That track record is actually mixed.

 

[2kt09]

Debatable. IW is definitely better than AoU, but I still prefer The Avengers. The Avengers also stands as my favorite MCU film still. As for other examples, IM3 is better than IM2 but not IM1. Waititi made the best Thor film, agreed. But point being, not all director changes in MCU yielded a better movie. That track record is actually mixed.

It is still going from AoU to IW, from IM2 to IM3, from TDW to TR, so from Vol 2 to...