The Amazing Spider-Man Jamie Foxx IS Electro

[Nave 'Torment']

Webb is going to make Electro about as menacing as Dr. Doom in The Fantastic Four.

You mean he can be more threatening than Lizard?
Doom was a good threat against 4 superheroes in the first film, survived supernova heat melting his armor (in reality none of the spectators or the property around them should survive, let alone Doom)
And in the second he stole the Surfer powers
It could do one of two things; make him an awesome threat, or keep him too threatening

It's been a while but after reading this I just have the biggest craving to re-watch the FF film! That, along with X3 was also written by Avengers co-writer and Marvel's go-to-guy Zak Penn. I guess you can rely on him to bring on the cheese.

Sadly this is probably true. I hope I'm wrong, but based on the reshoots and re-edits made on TASM, it's clear to me the studio lost confidence in the more serious direction. The fact that Tolmach learned from Arad in the ways of Spider-Man (said in the commentary track), it's clear this character will never live up to his potential on screen under this regime. I think we'll get some excellent films, just not transcendent ones. Sony wouldn't give a director Nolan-type control, which is what the character needs now. Sadly MS is worse with their micromanaging MCU and hiring of long standing TV directors. So Spidey is better off at Sony.

I think you hit the nail right there with that term: transcendent films. Most of the things at Marvel Studios, save perhaps for Kenneth Branagh's Thor and the first Iron Man (to an extent), has been simply escapist entertainment. Now there's nothing wrong with that but I think any true merit of a story told in a medium comes when it has some form of thought-provoking narrative, when it aspires to be more than what it is. That's something that WB's stand-alone films has always been, and some of the ones I loved from Marvel a well.

He won't have a bigger chance if moved to Marvel studios, look at what happened to Hulk
As much as I love the Incredible Hulk, the more I watch both movies the more I view a step down from the quality Ang Lee provided

I'm a big fan of Ang's Hulk and Ang's films in general.

Everything is Avengers-centric and geared towards the cosmic. Street heroes are getting the shaft right now. And Peter is a loner anyway.

Y'know I honestly thought I was the only one who loved Ang Lee's Hulk. People really do forget that it took its inspiration from the landmark work of Roger Stern and Bill Mantlo from the 80s; I loved that sort of indepth character drama between Bruce and his pappy while at the same time you had a Gen. Thunderbolt you were ready to hate and some action sequences you wouldn't forget. Far as I'm concerned, an excellent origin story on film, one that the Hulk's adaptations had been devoid of before it. And it's so wonderfully told too -- essentially being able to blend into any further continuity that they chose to set up. Hulk's always had a cosmic connection, but he was always at his heart Marvel's Superman: that science-fiction concept that's used to tell a human story using a supra-human being.

Pete being a loner isn't a bad idea. If Hulk's Marvel's Superman, than Spidey is their Batman both in terms of popularity and sub-genre: the emphasis on urban, "human" characters and, though superficial, but an animal-totem on both of them (it's more important for their iconography than most think). What I believe is that while Bats has always had one foot on the noir-detective genre, with his colourful rogues mimicking or falling through the archetypes of that genre, Spidey has exercised a more light-hearted, more superhero-specific storyarcs. To continue that direct list of villain-comparisons from the last page: Batman dealt with Scarecrow, someone who exercised the psychological traumas associated with fear, a very dark character, Spidey on the other hand had Mysterio, a sort of villain you can ridicule but who used his illusions not to enhance fear but to use them for supervillainy. Or Batman had Dr. Hugo Strange, a shrink gone wrong, who's obsession with the hero leads to darker and more psychotic encounters, whereas Spidey had Smythe, who's obsession leads to giant-spider-robots. Of the two, Spidey's got a more traditionally "superheroic" focus that's at home in comics, whereas Batman's got a darker focus that's more at home in graphic novels. In the end, I think ASM and even Raimi did an excellent job in bringing the character to life.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

This. At this point, there is no reason to believe that Electro will be poorly portrayed. We don't know what to expect. And like Spider-neil said, Webb had 2 people murdered quite savagely in TASM, though one was cut, but even with that, the Lizard was quite tame.

I have full faith that Webb can make a really threatening villian this time around, especially considering the writing team for TASM2 is leagues better than that of TASM.

I think that with the second movie the directors, at least now, have generally given stronger and better films: T2, X2, Spidey 2, and of course TDK are all strong examples within the genre to satisfy that generalisation. I think Webb, with his own visual style and the cast that he's bringing back, has the sort of potential to make this a modern classic.

But I'm not too sure about the writing team being leagues better than that of TASM: I mean, the first had the guy who wrote Zodiac, someone who was involved in the previous Spidey franchise, and a writer for the Harry Potter series. This one has Alex Kurtzman and that Orci fella, two guys responsible for scripts as full of holes as Bay's Island, Transformers 123, Shia la Beolf's Eagle Eye, Cowboys & Aliens, The Legend of Zorro (a horrible sequel to an already bad movie), and Star Trek, which is admittedly good but still isn't safe from its obvious plot-holes. So no, this one still rests on the two guys from the first film: Webb and Vanderbelt (sp?). Here's hoping they do a better job than before.

 

[SpideyFan866]

It's been a while but after reading this I justhave the biggest craving to re-watch the FF film! That, along with X3 was also written by Avengers co-writer and Marvel's go-to-guy Zak Penn. I guess you can rely on him to bring on the cheese.



I think you hit the nail right there with that term: transcendent films. Most of the things at Marvel Studios, save perhaps for Kenneth Branagh's Thor and the first Iron Man (to an extent), has been simply escapist entertainment. Now there's nothing wrong with that but I think any true merit of a story told in a medium comes when it has some form of thought-provoking narrative, when it aspires to be more than what it is. That's something that WB's stand-alone films has always been, and some of the ones I loved from Marvel a well.





Y'know I honestly thought I was the only one who loved Ang Lee's Hulk. People really do forget that it took its inspiration from the landmark work of Roger Stern and Bill Mantlo from the 80s; I loved that sort of indepth character drama between Bruce and his pappy while at the same time you had a Gen. Thunderbolt you were ready to hate and some action sequences you wouldn't forget. Far as I'm concerned, an excellent origin story on film, one that the Hulk's adaptations had been devoid of before it. And it's so wonderfully told too -- essentially being able to blend into any further continuity that they chose to set up. Hulk's always had a cosmic connection, but he was always at his heart Marvel's Superman: that science-fiction concept that's used to tell a human story using a supra-human being.

Pete being a loner isn't a bad idea. If Hulk's Marvel's Superman, than Spidey is their Batman both in terms of popularity and sub-genre: the emphasis on urban, "human" characters and, though superficial, but an animal-totem on both of them (it's more important for their iconography than most think). What I believe is that while Bats has always had one foot on the noir-detective genre, with his colourful rogues mimicking or falling through the archetypes of that genre, Spidey has exercised a more light-hearted, more superhero-specific storyarcs. To continue that direct list of villain-comparisons from the last page: Batman dealt with Scarecrow, someone who exercised the psychological traumas associated with fear, a very dark character, Spidey on the other hand had Mysterio, a sort of villain you can ridicule but who used his illusions not to enhance fear but to use them for supervillainy. Or Batman had Dr. Hugo Strange, a shrink gone wrong, who's obsession with the hero leads to darker and more psychotic encounters, whereas Spidey had Smythe, who's obsession leads to giant-spider-robots. Of the two, Spidey's got a more traditionally "superheroic" focus that's at home in comics, whereas Batman's got a darker focus that's more at home in graphic novels. In the end, I think ASM and even Raimi did an excellent job in bringing the character to life.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Even the Dark Knight Rises had several plot holes, but its the direction, action, and style of the film that you can make or break the movie. The Star Trek reboot had some plot holes, but none of them really ruin it for me, or are that incredibly noticeable if you don't over analyze it.

Transformers 2 was written during the writers strike, so its not really fair to count that, and they did NOT write Transformers 3 (it was written by Ehren Kruger).

Whether you like it or not, the Star Trek reboot is still considered a very good movie, and counts as one of the pros. Lets narrow it down:

Pros:
Movie Credits
Star Trek
Mission: Impossible: III
Script Polish for "Watchmen"
TV Credits
(1997-1999)Hercules: The Legendary Journeys
(1999-2000)Xena: Warrior Princess
(2001-2003)Alias
Fringe

Cons:
Transformers 1 & 2
The Island
Legend of Zorro
Eagle Eye
The Proposal
People Like Us
Cowboys & Aliens

It seems like they are a mixed bag, but they really haven't written enough for me to truly judge them. I would say their work is either really good, or really bad. So it could go either way. However, I think they do a good job with the premise they are given. Even with the best writers, I don't think a movie about cowboys and aliens could ever be a great film to begin with. I'm at least happy that they are fans of Spider-Man, and will hopefully do their best to respect the source material.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I think that with the second movie the directors, at least now, have generally given stronger and better films: T2, X2, Spidey 2, and of course TDK are all strong examples within the genre to satisfy that generalisation. I think Webb, with his own visual style and the cast that he's bringing back, has the sort of potential to make this a modern classic.

But I'm not too sure about the writing team being leagues better than that of TASM: I mean, the first had the guy who wrote Zodiac, someone who was involved in the previous Spidey franchise, and a writer for the Harry Potter series. This one has Alex Kurtzman and that Orci fella, two guys responsible for scripts as full of holes as Bay's Island, Transformers 123, Shia la Beolf's Eagle Eye, Cowboys & Aliens, The Legend of Zorro (a horrible sequel to an already bad movie), and Star Trek, which is admittedly good but still isn't safe from its obvious plot-holes. So no, this one still rests on the two guys from the first film: Webb and Vanderbelt (sp?). Here's hoping they do a better job than before.

They are only really responsible for TF1. Ehren Kruger is primarily responsible for the travesties that were TF2 and TF3. Eagle Eye is a mixed bag. It has flaws but was otherwise good.

BUT, you have a point. But considering how good Star Trek was and that Vanderbilt and Webb had the first draft of the script done a year ago, Id still say we're in better shape writing wise.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I forgot to mention that Jeff Pinkner, executive producer/writer on Fringe (2008 - 2012) and Lost (season 3), both alongside Orci/Kurtzman, also is a writer on this.

 

[Oscorp]

I think Norman Osborn will be the real, main villain in this film and the film will probably focus much more on the mystery around him than on Electro.

Electro will very likely have a very interesting character and persona, but I really doubt he will have the chance to rank among the best CBM villains. Since he'll probably be a pawn of Norman, that already kinda kills that chance. The greatest villains are on their own if you ask me. Though, as I said, I do think he'll be an extremely interesting character, but he'll probably get short on focus and mostly be used as a big power threat than anything else.

Norman Osborn however will probably be built up alot in this film, maybe even becoming Green Goblin. I honestly think they'll build Green Goblin up to become one of the big CBM villains.

 

[spider-neil]

I would have no problem with Electro being an enforcer for Norman a bit like Falcone was for Ras.

 

[Dagenspear]

Still don't care.

 

[spider-neil]

Still don't care.

And it's okay not to care seeing as the movie isn't out for a year and a half.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I think Norman Osborn will be the real, main villain in this film and the film will probably focus much more on the mystery around him than on Electro.

Electro will very likely have a very interesting character and persona, but I really doubt he will have the chance to rank among the best CBM villains. Since he'll probably be a pawn of Norman, that already kinda kills that chance. The greatest villains are on their own if you ask me. Though, as I said, I do think he'll be an extremely interesting character, but he'll probably get short on focus and mostly be used as a big power threat than anything else.

Norman Osborn however will probably be built up alot in this film, maybe even becoming Green Goblin. I honestly think they'll build Green Goblin up to become one of the big CBM villains.

Agreed.

I see being similar to those of TSSM and Norman brings in Dillon, an already established criminal, and gives him powers, though rather than be a diversion, to push Spidey to his limits and see how much he can take.

 

[Anno_Domini]

And it's okay not to care seeing as the movie isn't out for a year and a half.

You make it seem like it's okay not to care now....but you have to once the movie is released.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Even the Dark Knight Rises had several plot holes, but its the direction, action, and style of the film that you can make or break the movie. The Star Trek reboot had some plot holes, but none of them really ruin it for me, or are that incredibly noticeable if you don't over analyze it.

Transformers 2 was written during the writers strike, so its not really fair to count that, and they did NOT write Transformers 3 (it was written by Ehren Kruger).

That's very true, but at the same time TDKR and Watchmen were written by talented writers from their past records. The Star Trek reboot was a hit-or-miss, I remember really enjoying it at first then less and less as I kept watching, but i admit I've never been much of a Trekkie to begin with. As for TF2 and 3, look even the first film was okay, the only reason we don't point it out is because that was the first time we saw the TF in live-action, but story-wise it had the exact same flaws as movies 2 and 3 (okay maybe less racism ) and... the writer's block is a very terrible excuse but one that I guess Team Bay gets to make since it's generally accepted: if you have a writer's strike, if you really have had an issue with the quality of writing for your film then effin post-pone it! It's like they're trying to blame that whole thing on the writers in some twisted Hollywood way. It took Cameron 15 years to finalise the script for Avatar, and even then that was an okay movie, but at least you don't hit on the writer that way.

Whether you like it or not, the Star Trek reboot is still considered a very good movie, and counts as one of the pros. Lets narrow it down:

Pros:
Movie Credits
Star Trek
Mission: Impossible: III
Script Polish for "Watchmen"
TV Credits
(1997-1999)Hercules: The Legendary Journeys
(1999-2000)Xena: Warrior Princess
(2001-2003)Alias
Fringe

Cons:
Transformers 1 & 2
The Island
Legend of Zorro
Eagle Eye
The Proposal
People Like Us
Cowboys & Aliens

It seems like they are a mixed bag, but they really haven't written enough for me to truly judge them. I would say their work is either really good, or really bad. So it could go either way. However, I think they do a good job with the premise they are given. Even with the best writers, I don't think a movie about cowboys and aliens could ever be a great film to begin with. I'm at least happy that they are fans of Spider-Man, and will hopefully do their best to respect the source material.

True. and yeah my personal preference shouldn't be an all-out universal fact here, though here's the deal: Star Trek and MI3, in my eyes, could've been a lot better storywise. If we exclude TV credits these guys have a longer list of cons and pros on films that were received with mixed reviews at best. I'm a huge Watchmen fan but I keep thinking that film benefited from David "Solid Snake" Hayter on the script-stage: the guy who was also behind X-Men and X-Men United and Ang Lee's Hulk. The other guys on those films included the two who wrote Superman Returns and Zak flippin Penn, who's known for Fantastic Four and X-Men The Last Stand. I mean sure he's also got writing creds in The Avengers but you do see a trend of very over-the-top 90s-era-comic-booky vibe from Penn than the more serious, socially-aware work of Hayter, and I'm more than convinced that Avengers was the brainchild of Joss Whedon. Penn was probably consulted on the narrative beats rather than the details. My point for bringing that up is that while we have next to zero idea on who wrote what, you really can get a good sense of these writers, and Watchmen I'd credit to Snyder and Hayter than Orci & Kurtzman.

And.... y'know maybe I shouldn't complain. I really didn't mind The Island. But maybe because I kept thinking it was based on a later novel by Aldous Huxley.

They are only really responsible for TF1. Ehren Kruger is primarily responsible for the travesties that were TF2 and TF3. Eagle Eye is a mixed bag. It has flaws but was otherwise good.

BUT, you have a point. But considering how good Star Trek was and that Vanderbilt and Webb had the first draft of the script done a year ago, Id still say we're in better shape writing wise.

Yeah that's actually true -- though doesn't wiki include them for TF3 as well? In the end it's really about the director. And while Webb's films always leave a conceptual debate on his hands (which is fine since i'm pretty sure even the best writers are guilty of that) , he has had some good experience with the characters, it's not out of the way for thinking he'd bomb this. I'm hopeful

Does anyone else think that 500 Days of Summer , while a cute film, was just plain wrong? I mean good god it was like a 2.5 hour long Edward Brock Jr. movie: you just had coffee guy, it's not true love at first sight. And just when that point seems to be dawning on poor ol' Robin, he "discovers" Minka Kelly.

Though that rumour of Zooey Deshchanel as Betty Brant wouldn't be such a bad idea.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Of course I’m speculating on how Webb will present Electro on film…that’s what we do here. However, I am basing it on what was seen in the first film, and him & team of writers track record. From what I’ve seen thus far, Electro will be about as interesting/menacing as Dr. Doom; and I’m sorry, that does not say much. There was nothing interesting/menacing about Dr. Doom. It’s amazing how everyone shoots down the Fantastic Four film, the characters, action, and writing, until now, all of a sudden one tries to justify how menacing Doom was.
　
Look, lets not confuse Lizard impaling a man as menacing or bad ass. If that’s the case, Raimi’s burglur was menacing and bad ass, after what he did to Uncle Ben. Impaling a man does not make the character anymore dangerous than another…the situation/circumstance does. Look how much dangerous Ra’s, Joker, and Bane was because of the situation & circumstance. Lizard was blah in my opinion, and I see more of the same with Electro…much like Doom. The first hint, is the possible casting of Foxx. This potential role is not where Foxx strengths lies; and, if Electro does not have his own realistic/mature motivation for doing whatever it is he will be doing, than the character will be a wash(will have to explain in more detail at a later time).
　
I think many of you really should re-read Sonicradiation’s entire post…he hit the nail on the head, and captured exactly how I feel about the sequel. Understand, I certainly want to see Webb and the franchise do well; but, I readily admit, I’m very skeptical given what I‘ve seen in their approach. Webb is saying some of the same things Raimi was saying doing his run with the franchise...does Avi have some kind of voodoo spell on these guys or something. Still love it much more than Raimi’s films, lets not get that confused.

Sadly this is probably true. I hope I'm wrong, but based on the reshoots and re-edits made on TASM, it's clear to me the studio lost confidence in the more serious direction. The fact that Tolmach learned from Arad in the ways of Spider-Man (said in the commentary track), it's clear this character will never live up to his potential on screen under this regime. I think we'll get some excellent films, just not transcendent ones. Sony wouldn't give a director Nolan-type control, which is what the character needs now. Sadly MS is worse with their micromanaging MCU and hiring of long standing TV directors. So Spidey is better off at Sony.

There were some genuinely great moments in TASM, but not enough of them, hopefully Electro isn't undermined like GG in SM and Connors in TASM.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I think Norman Osborn will be the real, main villain in this film and the film will probably focus much more on the mystery around him than on Electro.

Electro will very likely have a very interesting character and persona, but I really doubt he will have the chance to rank among the best CBM villains. Since he'll probably be a pawn of Norman, that already kinda kills that chance. The greatest villains are on their own if you ask me. Though, as I said, I do think he'll be an extremely interesting character, but he'll probably get short on focus and mostly be used as a big power threat than anything else.

Norman Osborn however will probably be built up alot in this film, maybe even becoming Green Goblin. I honestly think they'll build Green Goblin up to become one of the big CBM villains.

Well lets not discredit him right away... The Joker was "working for the mob" and was "unleashed" by them remember? See how that turned out? But I agree with you in Osborn being the real villain of the film. I mean, if it's death of Gwen Stacy it'd be a shame if he achieves that through a proxy like Electro.

 

[Spiderdevil]

But they were great films, minus Spider-Man 3. But even Spider-Man 3 had hype. What did TAS-M have?

The name 'Spider-man' in its title
My final point,an Spider-man film will earn more money than a superman film of quivalent quality

Exactly; so YouTube can lie, don't you think, if we go by the trailer views on YouTube?

Not exactly,TA was the most anticipated CBM last year with TDKR following and it showed with the trailers viewings
They can lie no doubt but that comes into account when the difference is not so much,like between TDKR and TA
But in case of IM3 and MOS its HUGE,we are talking 3 million vs 43 million

Earnings mean literally crap only to greenlight a sequel. Criticism means much more

Its all perspective

For studios it matters only to greenlight a sequel, and that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. It says nothing about the quality of a film; example, Avatar. People threw their money at some ****.

Lolwut?
It means a hell lot to studios,its their ultimate aim,earning money
They wont fill their stomachs with good reviews

Lol, if you really think Iron Man 3 is going to get much higher you have another thing coming. Numbers will always fluctuate, and while IM3's may still be high by the time of the third trailer, it won't be any higher than 40 million.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out

And what makes you think MOS's will cross 20M?

 

[Spiderdevil]

A dancing symbiote-possessed Peter > a tame Lizard

To add to that point,the symbiote influenced Spidey almost killed Sandman and Harry

 

[Spiderdevil]

They are only really responsible for TF1. Ehren Kruger is primarily responsible for the travesties that were TF2 and TF3. Eagle Eye is a mixed bag. It has flaws but was otherwise good.

BUT, you have a point. But considering how good Star Trek was and that Vanderbilt and Webb had the first draft of the script done a year ago, Id still say we're in better shape writing wise.

I dount their is anything remaining from the first draft Vanderbilt wrote considering the fact that they decided upon the villian only recently

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Look, lets not confuse Lizard impaling a man as menacing or bad ass. If that’s the case, Raimi’s burglur was menacing and bad ass, after what he did to Uncle Ben. Impaling a man does not make the character anymore dangerous than another…the situation/circumstance does. Look how much dangerous Ra’s, Joker, and Bane was because of the situation & circumstance. Lizard was blah in my opinion, and I see more of the same with Electro…much like Doom. The first hint, is the possible casting of Foxx. This potential role is not where Foxx strengths lies; and, if Electro does not have his own realistic/mature motivation for doing whatever it is he will be doing, than the character will be a wash(will have to explain in more detail at a later time).

I don't think anyone is arguing that the Lizard could've been more bad-ass. His whole idea of turning into a mutated reptilian fuhrer was much better explained in the old animated series than it did in this entire friggin movie. Here you had a reptile man in New York! The whole premise has that sort of zany urban-legend appeal to it about lizard-men roaming the sewers and conspiring to take over the world

(it's as ******ed as Loki's musings for repentance through genocide to acquire God's Love in Dogma... but you see, that's what they want you to think. Cracked.com also has this extensive article on them alone:

The Lizard People being a clear danger to us all and being behind as Holy facts of History as...

Assassination of JFK

the one person who cuda stopped em!


Collaboration with Nixon!

)
Those reptilian bastards...

And

Media gatekeeping! Basically multinational media-corporations like Rupert-Murdoch and Disney are all controlled by Lizard-Men... how else do you explain the Godzilla, Barney, TMNT, and Jurrassic Park phenomena?!)　

Essentially... it had all the cheese-factor of Slender Man from a CreepyPasta site but it just goes to show how the character archetype is so much a part of people's imagination. Even if you don't make them Illuminati, the Lizard's characterisation could've dealt with some aspect of that urban-myth fantasy right up there next to the emergence of Spidey: a guy who's finally come to put a stop to all that whimsy. It's no wonder the most famous editor in Marvel's NY is a millionaire tabloid editor with the same three initials.

But... more on that aspect of urban-myth... if we compare it to say Batman, we have this tradition of Sherlock Holmes or Auguste Dupin reading the news of their time and coming up against these fantastically impossible cases about monsters and unsolvable mysteries... the same sort of fascination that fuelled the urban-myths of the time, and so you have these heroes trying to use their rational ideas to solve those mysteries, essentially a hero against these urban-myths. With Batman you have someone who embodies both the urban-myths as well as the intuitive but rational detective who knows that underneath all this is just pure explainable B.S. With Spidey what you could do is take that idea but instead of coming to a rational conclusion, you give an irrational answer because guess what fellas? For a character like Spider-Man who knows the absurdity of being bitten by a radioactive spider and getting superpowers overnight... the monsters are real.

With Electro you have one other very potent urban-myth at work, though one that is arguably dated by now: electricity. The very blood of a city. Suddenly becoming conscious and malevolent. It's the same sort of imagination that led people to look at natural phenomena such as the Sun rising and falling and associating that with a solar-deity: for urban-man, that phenomena is industrialised, and myth-making and speculative imagination thrives.

 

[cryptic name]

Nah, Spidey's the kid-friendly vigilante, I don't see him in an R-rated film and remain serious to the source material. Though it should aspire to be a mature story with the PG-13 rating instead.

I just want Black Cat in these movies some day.

If they ever did a straight up adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt, it could hit R while still being faithful. That's never going to happen though.

I myself think this is great casting. Foxx is an excellent character actor and Electro is the kind of villain that'll provide for amazing spectacle and really challenge Peter. I'm a big fan of Amazing and I'm looking forward to seeing Webb expand his Spidey universe and delve even deeper into these characters. Can't wait.

 

[Spiderdevil]

With Electro you have one other very potent urban-myth at work, though one that is arguably dated by now: electricity. The very blood of a city. Suddenly becoming conscious and malevolent.

Like the way you say that

 

[Anno_Domini]

The name 'Spider-man' in its title
My final point,an Spider-man film will earn more money than a superman film of quivalent quality

Having the title 'Spider-Man' doesn't generate that much hype. The product itself has to be at least worthwhile, otherwise the cartoon Ultimate Spider-Man would have generated as much hype as the 90s cartoon or TSSM had.

And to reply to your final point....we have yet to see a worthwhile Superman film to actually compete. You bring up the films many decades ago having not reach Spidey's numbers from Raimi's trilogy or Webb's film and I bring up the fact that no film back in those days could have reached those numbers. And Superman Returns? It wasn't a great film and makes Spider-Man 3 look like an Academy Award-winning kind of film.

Wait and see next year is what I've been saying and it's what I will keep saying.

Not exactly,TA was the most anticipated CBM last year with TDKR following and it showed with the trailers viewings
They can lie no doubt but that comes into account when the difference is not so much,like between TDKR and TA
But in case of IM3 and MOS its HUGE,we are talking 3 million vs 43 million

That is where you were mistaken. The first TDKR trailer blew TA out of the water, much like IM 3's first trailer blew Man of Steel's teaser out of the water.

Its all perspective

All perspective of what? Thinking the movie is the best because of the money it made and thinking that makes a film superior?

Lolwut?
It means a hell lot to studios,its their ultimate aim,earning money
They wont fill their stomachs with good reviews

Money is a studio's ultimate aim? No critical acclaim, no chance at any awards...but only the money is the ultimate aim? Now that deserves a 'lol' reaction. You and your simple idea of making money being the greatest achievement ever. It's sad.

And what makes you think MOS's will cross 20M?

Simply because the teaser for Man of Steel didn't show really anything. It was just set up as a teaser, hence it being a teaser.

Just as an example...

TDKR teaser - 2 million

http://youtu.be/kqF8lcKTLw0

TDKR first trailer - 30 million

http://youtu.be/GokKUqLcvD8

What's your reason for MOS to NOT reach more once a real trailer hits?

To add to that point,the symbiote influenced Spidey almost killed Sandman and Harry

For once we agree to something.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Y'know I honestly thought I was the only one who loved Ang Lee's Hulk. People really do forget that it took its inspiration from the landmark work of Roger Stern and Bill Mantlo from the 80s; I loved that sort of indepth character drama between Bruce and his pappy while at the same time you had a Gen. Thunderbolt you were ready to hate and some action sequences you wouldn't forget. Far as I'm concerned, an excellent origin story on film, one that the Hulk's adaptations had been devoid of before it. And it's so wonderfully told too -- essentially being able to blend into any further continuity that they chose to set up. Hulk's always had a cosmic connection, but he was always at his heart Marvel's Superman: that science-fiction concept that's used to tell a human story using a supra-human being.

Well said.

Pete being a loner isn't a bad idea. If Hulk's Marvel's Superman, than Spidey is their Batman both in terms of popularity and sub-genre: the emphasis on urban, "human" characters and, though superficial, but an animal-totem on both of them (it's more important for their iconography than most think). What I believe is that while Bats has always had one foot on the noir-detective genre, with his colourful rogues mimicking or falling through the archetypes of that genre, Spidey has exercised a more light-hearted, more superhero-specific storyarcs. To continue that direct list of villain-comparisons from the last page: Batman dealt with Scarecrow, someone who exercised the psychological traumas associated with fear, a very dark character, Spidey on the other hand had Mysterio, a sort of villain you can ridicule but who used his illusions not to enhance fear but to use them for supervillainy. Or Batman had Dr. Hugo Strange, a shrink gone wrong, who's obsession with the hero leads to darker and more psychotic encounters, whereas Spidey had Smythe, who's obsession leads to giant-spider-robots. Of the two, Spidey's got a more traditionally "superheroic" focus that's at home in comics, whereas Batman's got a darker focus that's more at home in graphic novels. In the end, I think ASM and even Raimi did an excellent job in bringing the character to life.

I definitely agree, but it's all about the tone for me. You can do a faithful Spidey film without the camp and cheesiness. Raimi's films were a love letter to the Lee/Ditko/Romita era. I cut my teeth on Stern and DeMatteis, so it wasn't really the Spidey I grew up with. Webb's fim was definitely more contemporary and had more of a modern edge to it, but there was still unnecessary cheese/camp that didn't need to be there. It was uninspired and lazy direction in those moments. We don't need crane operators helping Spidey to Oscorp, or Peter dunking from halfcourt in the gym, or bending a goalpost like a pipe cleaner, or the villanous over-the-top monologue explaning his plans to the audience. I want a Spider-Man film with heart, emotion, humor and darkness. What I don't want is camp. When Peter discovers the lizards going down the sewer in the film, Tolmach's remark in the commentary track was "subtle enough" That says it all to me. It's just a comic film to these guys and they have no desire to make a truly great and transcending film, just recycle tired tropes of the genre. Every detail matters.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

If they ever did a straight up adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt, it could hit R while still being faithful. That's never going to happen though.

I myself think this is great casting. Foxx is an excellent character actor and Electro is the kind of villain that'll provide for amazing spectacle and really challenge Peter. I'm a big fan of Amazing and I'm looking forward to seeing Webb expand his Spidey universe and delve even deeper into these characters. Can't wait.

Finally, another person that's thumbs up on this franchise. I think what seems to be Marc Webb's vision is great. Whether you think it's a good or bad thing, I personally enjoy the fact that TASM is like watching a comic book. If Marc keeps it up, I'm super excited to see what the sequel has to offer.

 

[Spiderdevil]

What are you guys opinion about his look?

Since Foxx is an African America and keeps his head shaved,I am sure they are going for the ultimate look

I think he should have the aura of bad-assness around him,something like flowing trenchcoat,shirtless,cargo pants and cow-boy style boots.It maybe sound cheesy but it will look great imo

Then towards the end when he finds it difficult to control his powers,he makes a suit.It will have hint of yellow and green(a nice nod to his CB design).But we'll get a good scientific explanation about it