Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

[Majik1387]

Except no he doesn't. He looks significantly younger.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

lol

 

[Boom]

 

[-Arya-]

Indeed.

 

[the last son]

How much screen time do you think Joker gets in this? I would hope no more or no less than 35 minutes. Makes his presence felt throughout the film without it actually involving him. I think the Squad might be hunting Joker. You can show how ruthless, unpredictable and meticulous he can be by playing some sort of game if cat and mouse and have the joker taking out a few members, until it's him vs deadshot.

 

[Kane52630]

If I could describe the Hype in 3 seconds...

 

[Rodrigo90]

It's not that bad...

What does Joker often do? He reinvents himself. His punchlines derive from the unpredictability of his crimes, leading into the eventuality of its grand finale.
The Joker has a tendency to often demonstrate that he's narcissistic and egotistical, while at the same time announcing to others around him that he's nothing more than an extension from the force of chaos.
Above all, he's not against any form of comedy. As long as it can be used to hurt Batman in whatever way, he's prepared to go to that length. Anything less, it would no longer have him exist as that clown prince of crime, and that's the most thing to him.
He's the showman - he desires success, and above that, validation from his most important critic: Batman. Joker is the ultimate attention seeker, and we know who that one person is that he requires full attention from.
So, I call doubt when people say turning Jason Todd into another Joker is not something he would do.
Yes, Joker enjoys his moments in the spotlight, but almost everything he does is the extension from his moment on the stage in the company of others, to the point that it ultimately reaches Batman's attention.

Bearing in mind he's the showman...He's still, however, the sadist with a limitless level for comedy.
And let's remind ourselves, comedy is chaotic. It can come in any shape or form and it can over override the senses, inducing euphoria. Laughter is uncontrollable, and what is Joker? He's uncontrollable.
Joker's main goal in life is make Batman lose his control and join him in the realms of chaotic madness.
Tragedy and comedy go hand in hand and Joker knows this, and Batman is often reminded of that.

And what would be the ultimate joke on Batman, the biggest punchline, the ultimate clash of comedy and tragedy? A son of Batman being brainwashed into behaving as his greatest enemy?

As Joker said, he prefers to have a hand in the choices over his past...what if this time he wanted his past to be that of Jason Todd's? Joker reinvents himself based on what sort of brilliant idea he has in store for his next crime... So, I see no real fault in this type of reasoning

 

[The Shape]

It's not that bad...

What does Joker often do? He reinvents himself. His punchlines derive from the unpredictability of his crimes, leading into the eventuality of its grand finale.
The Joker has a tendency to often demonstrate that he's narcissistic and egotistical, while at the same time announcing to others around him that he's nothing more than an extension from the force of chaos.
Above all, he's not against any form of comedy. As long as it can be used to hurt Batman in whatever way, he's prepared to go to that length. Anything less, it would no longer have him exist as that clown prince of crime, and that's the most thing to him.
He's the showman - he desires success, and above that, validation from his most important critic: Batman. Joker is the ultimate attention seeker, and we know who that one person is that he requires full attention from.
So, I call doubt when people say turning Jason Todd into another Joker is not something he would do.
Yes, Joker enjoys his moments in the spotlight, but almost everything he does is the extension from his moment on the stage in the company of others, to the point that it ultimately reaches Batman's attention.

Bearing in mind he's the showman...He's still, however, the sadist with a limitless level for comedy.
And let's remind ourselves, comedy is chaotic. It can come in any shape or form and it can over override the senses, inducing euphoria. Laughter is uncontrollable, and what is Joker? He's uncontrollable.
Joker's main goal in life is make Batman lose his control and join him in the realms of chaotic madness.
Tragedy and comedy go hand in hand and Joker knows this, and Batman is often reminded of that.

And what would be the ultimate joke on Batman, the biggest punchline, the ultimate clash of comedy and tragedy? A son of Batman being brainwashed into behaving as his greatest enemy?

As Joker said, he prefers to have a hand in the choices over his past...what if this time he wanted his past to be that of Jason Todd's? Joker reinvents himself based on what sort of brilliant idea he has in store for his next crime... So, I see no real fault in this type of reasoning

 

[Rodrigo90]

Is my half-assed academic inspired post boring?!

 

[Astro13Zombie]

We've seen the original Joker many times on film, and this Batman has been in action for 20 years. I think it's a fresh way of bringing the same character to film, in a different form.....that's still loyal to the comic lore...

.....I approve of him being a past Robin.

It's not that bad...

What does Joker often do? He reinvents himself. His punchlines derive from the unpredictability of his crimes, leading into the eventuality of its grand finale.
The Joker has a tendency to often demonstrate that he's narcissistic and egotistical, while at the same time announcing to others around him that he's nothing more than an extension from the force of chaos.
Above all, he's not against any form of comedy. As long as it can be used to hurt Batman in whatever way, he's prepared to go to that length. Anything less, it would no longer have him exist as that clown prince of crime, and that's the most thing to him.
He's the showman - he desires success, and above that, validation from his most important critic: Batman. Joker is the ultimate attention seeker, and we know who that one person is that he requires full attention from.
So, I call doubt when people say turning Jason Todd into another Joker is not something he would do.
Yes, Joker enjoys his moments in the spotlight, but almost everything he does is the extension from his moment on the stage in the company of others, to the point that it ultimately reaches Batman's attention.

Bearing in mind he's the showman...He's still, however, the sadist with a limitless level for comedy.
And let's remind ourselves, comedy is chaotic. It can come in any shape or form and it can over override the senses, inducing euphoria. Laughter is uncontrollable, and what is Joker? He's uncontrollable.
Joker's main goal in life is make Batman lose his control and join him in the realms of chaotic madness.
Tragedy and comedy go hand in hand and Joker knows this, and Batman is often reminded of that.

And what would be the ultimate joke on Batman, the biggest punchline, the ultimate clash of comedy and tragedy? A son of Batman being brainwashed into behaving as his greatest enemy?

As Joker said, he prefers to have a hand in the choices over his past...what if this time he wanted his past to be that of Jason Todd's? Joker reinvents himself based on what sort of brilliant idea he has in store for his next crime... So, I see no real fault in this type of reasoning

 

[Wheels]

The problem is you're looking for an in story reason why The Joker would do this rather than asking why David Ayer would do this, and if the idea is good enough to justify the change. It's not. It's just a lazy way to establish a personal connection between the hero and villain quickly in two hours.

 

[Boom]

This is akin to remaking Star Wars where Darth Vader is a completely different character who actually kills Luke's father. Like the filmmaker sat there in the board room and pitched, "What if Obi Wan was telling the truth from a literal point of view? What can we do with that?"

Could a story be shaped around that idea? Sure. Doesn't make it a good one, nor an improvement. It completely changes the dynamic between the two characters into something unrecognizable, and it ultimately diminishes the relationship by stripping it of its thematic and mythic weight. And here we are talking about two icons with a far more storied history than the Skywalkers. One of the great rivalries in pop culture, and people want it reduced to one of Batman's sidekicks going bad and adopting a clown persona.

Batman and the Joker should not have been family members, partners, even close friends, at any point during their relationship. They are polar extremes. Antitheses. Black and white. Good and evil.

Why does this need to be said?

You want Jason Todd to lose his mind and wage a personal war against Batman and give the latter a deeply personal conflict? USE THE RED HOOD. Lord knows DC has been pushing that character hard as of late. No need to dilute the Joker with this crap. Red Hood allows Batman the hope of redemption for his fallen friend. There's emotional/character potential there that doesn't immediately hit a brick wall because the character is an irreparable monster.

 

[Sawyer]

If people want a connection between Batman and the Joker prior to putting on their respective masks, just read the f***ing Flashpoint stuff.

 

[jmc]

I'm curious to know how people factor in Dick Grayson into this. Even if you want to be generous and say Leto is younger than Affleck you've got to take into account Dick Grayson's place as the first Robin. Unless of course you simply amalgamate the characters, which means it's makes even less sense for him to be called Jason Todd because Dick Grayson has far more association with being Robin than Todd does. Even if this crack pot theory that the Joker was formerly Robin were true, from a pure marketing perspective he's name is going to be Dick Grayson. Jason Todd has zero value.

 

[Sawyer]

Except no he doesn't. He looks significantly younger.

lol no, but nice try.

 

[Boy Scout]

We've seen the original Joker many times on film...

We've seen him twice.

I think it's a fresh way of bringing the same character to film, in a different form.....

But it wouldn't be the same character.

that's still loyal to the comic lore...

No it's not.

How much screen time do you think Joker gets in this?

Fifteen to twenty minutes, I'd say.

 

[Boy Scout]

It's not that bad...

Not in general, but it most certainly is in context.

And what would be the ultimate joke on Batman, the biggest punchline, the ultimate clash of comedy and tragedy? A son of Batman being brainwashed into behaving as his greatest enemy?

Behaving like someone and taking on their defining characteristics in an effort to convince people that you are that person are two entirely different things.

Why does Jason need to look like The Joker to think like The Joker? Why does Jason need to look like The Joker to become one of Batman's enemies? Why would The Joker want to or think to physically transform Jason into a carbon copy of himself? Why would he not instead opt for straight up disfigurement? A permanent grin, painted lips, a telltale brand?

If The Joker wants to torture Batman, to really make him suffer, why would he touch a single hair on Jason's head? Wouldn't it be far more effective to remind Batman of the son he's lost? To remove all doubt that yes, it is Jason Todd committing such horrible crimes? Would it not cause Batman more pain to have to look into the face of his fallen son again and again and confront the fact that he failed him?

If Jason looked like The Joker, I believe there would be a subconscious separation of identity and responsibility in Batman's mind. "This isn't Jason. Not really. It's The Joker, my sworn enemy." But if he looked like Jason...if he committed all those terrible crimes as Jason...how could Batman possibly escape from that?

As Joker said, he prefers to have a hand in the choices over his past...what if this time he wanted his past to be that of Jason Todd's?

Even if it makes sense from a character perspective, a bad idea is a bad idea.

So, I see no real fault in this type of reasoning

I assure you, there's plenty.

 

[DeadStroke]

We've seen him twice.



But it wouldn't be the same character.



No it's not.



Fifteen to twenty minutes, I'd say.

With as much time Leto was away from the set I think this is correct.

He probably wont get the same screen time as Ledger's Joker.

I did like Nolan's analogy of the Joker will be used like Jaws. He used him perfectly in The Dark Knight.

 

[Boom]

The Joker sees Batman's family as an unnecessary distraction. Best get them out of the picture.

 

[Guts]

I will personally fight @DavidAyerMovies if the joker is really Jason Todd because I did not and will not sign up for that
https://***********/mallorotten/status/623729188017713152
David Ayer is one of the people that liked that tweet. Either he liked it because he agrees with her about the Jason Todd thing or he wants to fight her.

 

[Travesty]

He "liked" the tweet, cause he wants to fight her, because she broke the secret that Jason Todd is actually The Joker in the movie.

 

[Majik1387]

lol no, but nice try.

He most certainly does.

We've seen him twice.

Thrice.

Spoiler

But it wouldn't be the same character.

In essence it would be, the same way both Ken Wattanabe and Liam Neeson were Ra's.

No it's not.

Maybe not main canon lore, but it is loyal to some comic lore; especially a certain comic canon that Affleck's Batman draws inspiration from.

 

[Golgo-13]

Except that Leto looks the same age as Affleck.

No he does not. He looks like he's at least 10 years younger.

 

[Sawyer]

No he does not. He looks like he's at least 10 years younger.

I could buy Leto as being, like, five years younger than Affleck at most.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Jared is baby faced in some pics, and most definitely looks younger than Ben, though he looks good for his age as well.