Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

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I wouldn't read "humanising" as "redeeming"- I would interpret it as a process of delivering a more intimate and nuanced portrait of the character. As Rodrigo hinted, this is almost inevitable, as we are to see phases of his relationship with Harley. B89 gave us The Joker as homicidal artist, TDK gave us The Joker as an agent of chaos, and perhaps SS will portray him as a corrupter of souls. If so, the emotional sphere will be engaged more fully, relative to the artistic or intellectual sphere, and The Joker will probably emerge as a more satisfactorily human animal.
 
regwec said:
I wouldn't read "humanising" as "redeeming"- I would interpret it as a process of delivering a more intimate and nuanced portrait of the character. As Rodrigo hinted, this is almost inevitable, as we are to see phases of his relationship with Harley. B89 gave us The Joker as homicidal artist, TDK gave us The Joker as an agent of chaos, and perhaps SS will portray him as a corrupter of souls. If so, the emotional sphere will be engaged more fully, relative to the artistic or intellectual sphere, and The Joker will probably emerge as a more satisfactorily human animal.
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This.

Even in the attempt of humanising him, you know what he says and feels, relaying it all to Harley, is all potentially, if not most certainly, false.
In those humanising moments, he's attempting to manipulate an innocent creature into becoming a monster like him.
So, with that, no matter how they do it, Joker is pretending to be a poor, misunderstood human being. Never once losing that evil intent and nature, because there, right under the surface of his most humanising moments, it drives his actions.
 
Rodrigo90 said:
No, he's still that crafty clown.
Only now from Devil's Advocate :hehe:
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I love that story. Joker on death row for crimes he didn't commit, and Batman is the only one who wants to clear his name.
 
regwec said:
I wouldn't read "humanising" as "redeeming"- I would interpret it as a process of delivering a more intimate and nuanced portrait of the character. As Rodrigo hinted, this is almost inevitable, as we are to see phases of his relationship with Harley. B89 gave us The Joker as homicidal artist, TDK gave us The Joker as an agent of chaos, and perhaps SS will portray him as a corrupter of souls. If so, the emotional sphere will be engaged more fully, relative to the artistic or intellectual sphere, and The Joker will probably emerge as a more satisfactorily human animal.
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This.

We haven't seen the Joker in the context of any meaningful personal relationship outside of Batman. No matter how disturbing, twisted or tragic it might be, the Joker's relationship with Harley Quinn offers fresh insight into the character.
 
Being very pretentious, I have spent much of the afternoon with no socks on, drinking oolong tea and listening to Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire. The representational element of the music is clearly suited to The Joker and/or Harley, and I wonder whether it could form a basis for an associated theme. I think Danny Elfmann might have quoted it once or twice, anyway.
 
Boom said:
This.

We haven't seen the Joker in the context of any meaningful personal relationship outside of Batman.
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Read 'Going Sane'. He has a meaningful personal relationship with a woman in that.

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I was looking to buy that and Devil's Advocate the other day, but didn't have enough money in my account :hehe:
 
Rodrigo90 said:
This.

Even in the attempt of humanising him, you know what he says and feels, relaying it all to Harley, is all potentially, if not most certainly, false.
In those humanising moments, he's attempting to manipulate an innocent creature into becoming a monster like him.
So, with that, no matter how they do it, Joker is pretending to be a poor, misunderstood human being. Never once losing that evil intent and nature, because there, right under the surface of his most humanising moments, it drives his actions.
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Just reminded me of Mad Love.

He was really selling those sad stories to Harleen. I wouldnt be surprised if a scene like that plays out in the movie.
 
Despite losing that superheroine role to Kate Mara, Margot Robbie said she's happy to be entering the comic book movie world with Suicide Squad, and with Jared Leto. "What he's doing with the character is so cool," she said of his "pretty impressive" performance. ""At first it was kind of confronting (to be up close , but now I'm so used to it, I think if I ever saw him out of makeup now I would be really confused. Actually, I saw him out of makeup once and I was actually petrified of him. I was too scared to go up and didn't know who that person was, and when he got back into his makeup I was far more comfortable." She added, "The one common denominator is we're all bad guys, it just makes everything more fun that way. The scenes are more interesting I feel, when you just don't know how the characters are going to react, especially with Harley, who's absolutely nuts… she's either going to kill you or laugh and give you a hug."
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Thank god she snagged the quinn role as opposed to sue storm for craptastic 4.
 
So what would be a cool way to introduce the Joker?

I thought Batman 89 (And as you can see I'm a lot happier) and The Dark Knight (whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger) did a great job of it.
 
regwec said:
B89 gave us The Joker as homicidal artist, TDK gave us The Joker as an agent of chaos, and perhaps SS will portray him as a corrupter of souls.
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I like this analysis. I can definitely see it. :up:
 
[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rBRHNb3GIY[/YT]

This is dope.
 
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