Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 10

[ThePhantasm]

You don't need to see the storyline to see how the Joker being Jason would change their relationship. You just need common sense.

you are so hot to me right now

 

[DigificWriter]

Why is this ridiculous idea even being argued about?

Don't people have better, more relevant stuff to discuss?

 

[jokesonm3]

You don't need to see the storyline to see how the Joker being Jason would change their relationship. You just need common sense.

There's the key phrase here.

 

[Majik1387]

I hope Leto is Jason Todd Joker just to spite all of you negative trolls.

 

[ThePhantasm]

classy

 

[Sawyer]

I hope Leto is Jason Todd Joker just to spite all of you negative trolls.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Joker is too old to start as Robin.

 

[ThePhantasm]

you think its ridiculous for the Joker to be a cheap knock-off instead of the character from the comics?

 

[Bizarro!]

You don't need to see the storyline to see how the Joker being Jason would change their relationship. You just need common sense.

Not really. Jason Todd being The Joker could change their relationship in more than just one way. It would depend on the mind behind the creative process. You might have one idea about it, that you wrongly think of as being the only possible one, but maybe the person writing the script has 2 or 3 more ideas that you haven't even thought of. Who knows?

As far as the level of interest of their relationship, that's highly debatable. Plenty of people could possibly enjoy something that you wouldn't. I don't mind change as long as it is well executed. Without change, without experimental artists, we wouldn't have some of the greatest movies and comic books of all time. Being an artist is also about being able to explore new grounds instead of being afraid of it, like most are nowadays.

That being said, i'm not saying that i would love Jason Todd to be Joker. I don't even think that would happen. I'm just not being square-minded about it. I'm accepting the fact that we don't know how good it could turn out to be until we actually see it. I've read enough comic books to know that sometimes the most unexpected ideas can turn out to be great.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think it's ridiculous for Joker to be related to Robin in any way or shape.
Except maybe for beating one to death with a crowbar, leaving him and his -Robin's- mom in a room full of 'splosives.

 

[ThePhantasm]

That being said, i'm not saying that i would love Jason Todd to be Joker. I don't even think that would happen.

and there's the concession of defeat, right on cue

 

[jokesonm3]

and there's the concession of defeat, right on cue

 

[DigificWriter]

This idea is ridiculous not because it would 'ruin' the character, but because it has absolutely no basis in anything that we know about either BvS or Suicide Squad.

 

[Snow Queen]

Not really. Jason Todd being The Joker could change their relationship in more than just one way. It would depend on the mind behind the creative process. You might have one idea about it, that you wrongly think of as being the only possible one, but maybe the person writing the script has 2 or 3 more ideas that you haven't even thought of. Who knows?

As far as the level of interest of their relationship, that's highly debatable. Plenty of people could possibly enjoy something that you wouldn't. I don't mind change as long as it is well executed. Without change, without experimental artists, we wouldn't have some of the greatest movies and comic books of all time. Being an artist is also about being able to explore new grounds instead of being afraid of it, like most are nowadays.

That being said, i'm not saying that i would love Jason Todd to be Joker. I don't even think that would happen. I'm just not being square-minded about it. I'm accepting the fact that we don't know how good it could turn out to be until we actually see it. I've read enough comic books to know that sometimes the most unexpected ideas can turn out to be great.

I was typing a long reply about the key elements to Batman and the Joker's relationship and how Jason being the Joker would weaken those elements and how if you want a story about Jason as a bad guy, there are plenty of other routes, but a ridiculous theory from reddit like this doesn't warrant the effort. Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea, nothing more. This is one of those times, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Bizarro!]

I was typing a long reply about the key elements to Batman and the Joker's relationship and how Jason being the Joker would weaken those elements and how if you want a story about Jason as a bad guy, there are plenty of other routes, but a ridiculous theory from reddit like this doesn't warrant the effort. Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea, nothing more. This is one of those times, as far as I'm concerned.

Too bad. I was interested in knowing how The Joker being Jason Todd would automatically make their relationship less interesting. If anything, it would make it more complex.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Too bad. I was interested in knowing how The Joker being Jason Todd would automatically make their relationship less interesting. If anything, it would make it more complex.

More like too convoluted for anyone to care about.

 

[jokesonm3]

Too bad. I was interested in knowing how The Joker being Jason Todd would automatically make their relationship less interesting. If anything, it would make it more complex.

Can i ask, why you chose the name Bizarro?

 

[Majik1387]

You all lost any classy responses the moment you continuously bashed posters, one in particular, who can see how the theory could be possible and work.

 

[Bizarro!]

Can i ask, why you chose the name Bizarro?

I like the character.

 

[Bizarro!]

You all lost any classy responses the moment you continuously bashed posters, one in particular, who can see how the theory could be possible and work.

I was just wondering why everyone was being so hostile, since i really didn't insult anyone. I guess i must be arguing with teenagers. I can't picture an adult saying "let's all ignore him", just because people have different opinions.

 

[Snow Queen]

Too bad. I was interested in knowing how The Joker being Jason Todd would automatically make their relationship less interesting. If anything, it would make it more complex.

Not really. It takes two separate characters and merges them into one, in result weakening both of them. If Jason were to take up an identity post-Robin, the Red Hood one works the best as it allows him to be an anti-hero. Morally grey, agreeing with Batman but not his methods. That's a great fallen son type story. But turning the Joker into that takes away his mystique and a personal, intimate relationship between them I feel would draw the attention away from the core elemental conflicts of their relationship. Giving Batman that kind of relationship with the Joker also takes away the Joker's type of impact: he's the criminal that Batman doesn't understand on the same level as the others. Having him with no clear backstory helps muddy the water a bit in that regard.

At the end of the day, it takes two characters who could each yield great stories (or a great story together, see Under the Red Hood's animated film) and merge them into one that creates less interesting dynamics than either of them separate.

 

[Majik1387]

Yet when Nolan did it, it was genius...

 

[ThePhantasm]

You all lost any classy responses the moment you continuously bashed posters, one in particular, who can see how the theory could be possible and work.

He doesn't see how the theory could be possible and work. He's yet to suggest a single version that would work. And he's in fact said now that he doesn't even like the idea and doesn't think it will happen.

So I'm supposed to entertain a generically articulated remote possibility that this idea would somehow not change the Joker character significantly and that this would somehow be a good idea? No.

But thanks for clarifying that you don't particularly care about the character, and would be willing to see the character ruined just to spite those who disagree with this poorly defended "theory."

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yet when Nolan did it, it was genius...

Robin was the Joker in Nolan's trilogy? I never knew.

 

[Bizarro!]

Not really. It takes two separate characters and merges them into one, in result weakening both of them. If Jason were to take up an identity post-Robin, the Red Hood one works the best as it allows him to be an anti-hero. Morally grey, agreeing with Batman but not his methods. That's a great fallen son type story. But turning the Joker into that takes away his mystique and a personal, intimate relationship between them I feel would draw the attention away from the core elemental conflicts of their relationship. Giving Batman that kind of relationship with the Joker also takes away the Joker's type of impact: he's the criminal that Batman doesn't understand on the same level as the others. Having him with no clear backstory helps muddy the water a bit in that regard.

At the end of the day, it takes two characters who could each yield great stories (or a great story together, see Under the Red Hood's animated film) and merge them into one that creates less interesting dynamics than either of them separate.

I think you have a very simplistic and limited view of what could be done with The Joker and Jason Todd. Perhaps a more creative mind, like a really good writer, could crack the code and offer us an engaging story that managed to kept intact some of the most interesting elements about Joker/Batman relationship and possibly create new ones.

I agree with you when it comes to the loss of mystique . But to me that happens everytime you give Joker a backstory. Could Jason Todd being The Joker make the character less interesting? To me, possibly. But i can say the same about every Joker origin that i've known until this day. To me the ideal Joker is what we saw in TDK.