Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - Part 14

[P Supreme]

Seems you either liked Jared Leto's Joker, or you simply hate it.... doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

Some say he's like a modern day Cesar Romero:

... or

Jim Carey doing a Joker impression:

neither works for me

and the fact that he is barely in it DAM IT!!!

still excited to see movie but this has lowered my expectations
I'm a very sad panda right now

 

[Jordanstine]

neither works for me

and the fact that he is barely in it DAM IT!!!

still excited to see movie but this has lowered my expectations
I'm a very sad panda right now

Jim Carey as Joker

 

[The Joker]

John Campea said his Joker was like a modern day Cesar Romero.

If you go in with that kind of thinking you'll really like it..

However, the story and lack of usage does him a disservice.

John Campea called The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the TDK of the Spider-Man movies. Ever since I have been highly skeptical of his opinions.

 

[tanita_mors]

uh, seriously ???? that movie sucks balls. i wonder with these critics, how they can be so off base at times. not just campea, but all of them.

 

[Daywalker89]

Ideally that would have been better, but it would have been virtually identical to Marvel's first phase of films leading up to The Avengers, which WB/DC was trying to avoid.

Exactly this. We know these films would always get compared to the marvel universe in some ways DC will never get it right because there seems to be a blatent negativity around there films at the moment.

Regarding Jokers limited screen time and apparent scenes chopped my friends are not happy bunnies at the moment. I'm not overly concerned but I can understand if the GA are bothered by this.

Very interesting times for our Universe at the minute guys. Very polarized opinions and others dissecting if DC are out of there depth. I just find it fascinating and abit sad that the fans,GA and critics can't click with these films.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

jared leto was the joker?

 

[Jekecy]

John Campea called The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the TDK of the Spider-Man movies. Ever since I have been highly skeptical of his opinions.

No, that's inaccurate. What he said is he was hearing whispers about ASM2 possibly being the TDK to the Spidey series. This was just under a month before it was screened for everyone.

May as well have been a studio head/plant who was in his ear. John specifically said to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[tanita_mors]

that's more like it.

 

[Matt]

Exactly this. We know these films would always get compared to the marvel universe in some ways DC will never get it right because there seems to be a blatent negativity around there films at the moment.

Regarding Jokers limited screen time and apparent scenes chopped my friends are not happy bunnies at the moment. I'm not overly concerned but I can understand if the GA are bothered by this.

Very interesting times for our Universe at the minute guys. Very polarized opinions and others dissecting if DC are out of there depth. I just find it fascinating and abit sad that the fans,GA and critics can't click with these films.

Its because Warners doesn't know their audience. Scratch that, its not a matter of not knowing the audience. It is a matter of not defining their audience.

Who is Suicide Squad targeted at? Based on the first Comic Con teaser, character designs, etc, 15 year old misanthropic, pseudo-philosophers and wanna be Hot Topic goths. But then the second teaser drops and it seems to be focusing on humor, quirkiness, etc. Suddenly it is targeting the Guardians of the Galaxy/Deadpool type of audience. Then it gets an R rating. Then another trailer comes that shifts back to the action drama angle.

It just never seemed to define a tone/target audience. It tries to please everyone and when you do that, you please no one.

BvS was no different. DC gave Snyder the keys to the vault and basically told him "universe build...BUT DARK AND GRITTY DAMNIT!"

So they want to build a universe/tent pole franchise...but at the same time, they want it to be dark and nihilistic, locking out one of the most marketable demographics: children.

Say what you will about Marvel, while each film is unique, the tone and brand is consistent. They have a plan and they are executing it. DC does not. They want to be in Phase 3 without ever going through 1 and 2 and with no regard as to how all of the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

 

[Greens]

Then it gets an R rating.

SS is not rated R.

 

[Matt]

SS is not rated R.

Oh, isn't it? I thought there was rumblings. Well, there you go again. You have a movie that seems to be building on anti-heroes, targeting the Deadpool crowd, dealing with serious issues like domestic abuse...but Warners is scared to take the leap and embrace the adult audience with an R rating. They are like the Cleveland Browns, they just don't have an identity/know what they want their future to look like. And until they do, this is just going to keep happening.

 

[Greens]

Oh, isn't it? I thought there was rumblings. Well, there you go again. You have a movie that seems to be building on anti-heroes, targeting the Deadpool crowd, dealing with serious issues like domestic abuse...but Warners is scared to take the leap and embrace the adult audience with an R rating. They are like the Cleveland Browns, they just don't have an identity/know what they want their future to look like. And until they do, this is just going to keep happening.

It's a fascinating case study. WB most likely was afraid to put out a product that was too dark (after the backlash), but in the process they forgot what this movie was about AND that a movie can be dark as long as it's GOOD. They broke the movie trying to fix it. I'd love to be a fly on the wall at WB because their decisions are baffling.

 

[metaphysician]

Well, judging by whats been established thus far - kill his ass stone dead.

Eh, as much as I dislike the entire DC film direction, I'd place money on Batman's murdertasticness getting dialed *waaaaaaay* back in future films, especially the inevitable solo movie. So, the Joker is probably safe, as are the drivers of vehicles involved in criminal operations. I wouldn't bet on retiring if I were a Parademon, though.

 

[regwec]

I think they should stick to their instincts and give directors more freedom. Trying to forge a middle ground between this and building a production line of lookalike movies a la Marvel is bound to have unhappy consequences, to such a degree that the underlying talent involved may be totally smothered.

 

[metaphysician]

The order should have been: MoS sequel that introduces WW. WW solo. Batman solo. Flash solo. Aquaman solo. Justice League.

I disagree slightly, I'd skip the Aquaman solo. Aquaman is the hardest character to sell of the ones you mention, so the best way to introduce him is in Justice League. That way, if all goes well, people go to JL, see Aquaman there, and *then* are hyped to see him in his own movie. It dodges the "Aquaman is a joke" issue.

 

[JOE]

uh, seriously ???? that movie sucks balls. i wonder with these critics, how they can be so off base at times. not just campea, but all of them.

The reviews that take place directly after an early a screening are always the ones that end up in left field. The anticipation and fact that they're seeing the movie way before anyone else clouds their judgement. I think what he meant to say was that it was the B&R of Spider-Man films.

 

[Boom]

So do we think it's too premature to make a "Jared Leto is The Joker" thread in the Untitled Batman Film board?

 

[Greens]

So do we think it's too premature to make a "Jared Leto is The Joker" thread in the Untitled Batman Film board?

If the rumors about an Arkham Asylum movie are true, I doubt we will ever get the classic Batman-Joker rivalry again for a long, long, long time.

But yeah, he's gonna be in the movie.

 

[MasterChief2829]

So do we think it's too premature to make a "Jared Leto is The Joker" thread in the Untitled Batman Film board?

Do you want to know the answer to that?

Spoiler

The clowns are returning to gotham at the end of Suicide Squad

 

[The Endless]

David Ayer excels at criminals and morally flexible characters. He and Leto's came up with this reinvention of the Joker. But Joker is barely in the film? It's all wrong.

I guarantee he would've preferred using Joker in a more important role. No way does Ayer choose some silly CGI mess of a villain with a generic end of the world plot.

 

[Boom]

Well I went ahead and made a Joker thread in the Untitled Batman Film board. So Joker fans have a place to relocate once SS has come and gone.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Oh, isn't it? I thought there was rumblings. Well, there you go again. You have a movie that seems to be building on anti-heroes, targeting the Deadpool crowd, dealing with serious issues like domestic abuse...but Warners is scared to take the leap and embrace the adult audience with an R rating. They are like the Cleveland Browns, they just don't have an identity/know what they want their future to look like. And until they do, this is just going to keep happening.

I was thinking that WB is more like the Bengals in that they keep letting their version of Marvin Lewis (Zack Snyder) run the ship despite constantly choking in the playoffs. But then, they're not even making the playoffs.

But the Browns comparison doesn't rally fit either, because if they were the Browns, they would have sacked Snyder ages ago and cast Jay Baruchel as Batman because a homeless guy told them to do it.

No, I'd say they're more like the Rams. An underperforming franchise that clings to their mediocre-to-bad head coach for reasons no one can fathom.

 

[Boom]

I was thinking that WB is more like the Bengals in that they keep letting their version of Marvin Lewis (Zack Snyder) run the ship despite constantly choking in the playoffs. But then, they're not even making the playoffs.

But the Browns comparison doesn't rally fit either, because if they were the Browns, they would have sacked Snyder ages ago and cast Jay Baruchel as Batman because a homeless guy told them to do it.

No, I'd say they're more like the Rams. An underperforming franchise that clings to their mediocre-to-bad head coach for reasons no one can fathom.

Goddamnit, guys.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm still gonna see this film. I was never really on the Leto bandwagon, but I'm still willing to give him a chance. I wanna see for myself how Leto holds up.

Though maybe this will be a xchance for WB/DC to get rid of those silly tattoos for Joker's next appearance. Especially the 'Damaged' on his forehead and laughing mouth on his hand.

 

[Matt]

I was thinking that WB is more like the Bengals in that they keep letting their version of Marvin Lewis (Zack Snyder) run the ship despite constantly choking in the playoffs. But then, they're not even making the playoffs.

But the Browns comparison doesn't rally fit either, because if they were the Browns, they would have sacked Snyder ages ago and cast Jay Baruchel as Batman because a homeless guy told them to do it.

No, I'd say they're more like the Rams. An underperforming franchise that clings to their mediocre-to-bad head coach for reasons no one can fathom.

The Rams analogy is pretty adept. Especially when you consider they cling to the past. The game has long passed Fisher's offensive and defensive philosophy by. And rather than adapt, he continues to try run heavy, smash mouth football. But rather than fire him, the ownership slaps some new cosmetic paint on the team, moving them to LA, and hopes for different results.

Its no different here. We don't need the "dark and gritty" superhero movie. We don't need the "real world" superhero movie. That is a myth Bryan Singer convinced all of us of back in 2000 because he lacked the creativity to make a proper spectacle of an X-Men movie that embraced the fantasy and indulged the audience's imagination. It is a dated worldview.

The Avengers has proven that people are willing to go all in on optimistic, hopeful superheroes. You can have fun without being campy. You can have bright colors without being cheesy. The audience, as shown by Civil War, is willing to both have fun and address tough moral/philosophical questions. A movie doesn't have to be bogged down in its own self-loathing. The world is not so cynical that a Superman, who properly represents the hope and inspiration of the character would fail. To the contrary, Captain America succeeded. Superman could too.

But Warners, like the Rams, just cannot get past this dated Bryan Singer-esque mindset.