The Dark Knight Rises Jeph Loeb defends robin

[boywonder13]

atleast show the Flying Graysons perform in Gotham in BB3. atleast. no robin, no dick specifically. but Flying Graysons.

 

[REDophile]

Who knows if they will even make a BB4. Even though Nolan says he flat out doesn't know right now, I'm sure he and Bale will eventually return for the third act in a few years.
Anyways, because the focus of the Nolan series is strictly about the development of Batman and the dark, noirish setting that is his home of Gotham City, Robin doesn't really fit. Nevertheless, they should still make a reference to Robin at the end of BB3 like I said before.

 

[Go God Go!]

Who knows if they will even make a BB4. Even though Nolan says he flat out doesn't know right now, I'm sure he and Bale will eventually return for the third act in a few years.
Anyways, because the focus of the Nolan series is strictly about the development of Batman and the dark, noirish setting that is his home of Gotham City, Robin doesn't really fit. Nevertheless, they should still make a reference to Robin at the end of BB3 like I said before.

That depends on which interpretation of Robin they use. If it's the bright, giddy, 60s version, of course it wouldn't fit. But that version will probably never make it into any film. What would work wonderfully is an interpretation more like the current Robin; dark, serious (in both costume and personality), charged with a lot of pain and personal loss, with a personality that mirrors Batman`s only without the severe obsessions.

That would work just fine.

 

[Riven]

Since it's plausible that Nolan is only making a trilogy, I don't think it's likely Robin is going to show up. Nor should he. I'm not one of those fans that is opposed to the character alltogether, I just don't like him very much and think Batman works very well without him (though he sometimes works very well with him). But the (still hypothetical) Nolan trilogy is too soon for him to join Batman's side. This is about young Batman going through a character arc. I want this story to be about him and him alone. How he became Batman, how he reacts to Gotham, how he deals with crime and the rise of his classic villains. He has allies (Alfred, Gordon, Fox) but none of them are so prominent as Robin, nor do they need a lot of character work, exposition, an origin story, etc. that all takes away from the movie being about Batman.

So is it impossible to introduce Robin in a future movie? No. They probably should, at some point. You can tell some interesting stories with the character. But right now, no, no, NO.

 

[honest george]

Really as it stands, I don't care what they have on paper, the character of Batman by himself is going to get stale after two films. That's kind of the corner Nolan is backing himself into right now. He might not think this way, but everyone who sees Batman secretly in the back of their minds is wondering when Robin is going to show up. It's hard not to, because, well their relationship is so central to the story. You can't just have Batman alone, for three films, alienating the world around him. Sure you can introduce new villains, but ultimately, that's not going to keep the story very fresh, and slowly you're going to run out of ideas. Once you've covered the Joker, and set up villains like Two-Face and the Penguin, and created the world of freaks and darkness Batman lives in, you actually have to move on with the character.

A great point! The Batman character only existed for about 11 issues before there was Robin; Loeb's Dark Victory would be a great blueprint.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....

they could do a dark version of Robin, but the studio is afraid that ROBIN AUTOMATICALLY MEANS SCHUMACHER WORLD....

it doesn't....

NOLAN's MOVIES WON'T BE BATMAN unless he gives us a faithful, dark, disturbed ROBIN

 

[Swordmaster]

 

[Two-Face]

I think this shows that LOEB, being in comics himself knows a lot more about comicbook characters than some FASCIST filmmaker ever could....

they could do a dark version of Robin, but the studio is afraid that ROBIN AUTOMATICALLY MEANS SCHUMACHER WORLD....

it doesn't....

NOLAN's MOVIES WON'T BE BATMAN unless he gives us a faithful, dark, disturbed ROBIN

It's working good so far.... and It's BATMAN.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

so do you think ROBIN has to be light & fun?

why can't a boy be angry & disturbed (I MEAN LIKE FRANK MILLER ANGRY) about his family being killed?

i mean batman was angry enough to put on a batsuit & go out & fight crime.

 

[El Payaso]

Respectable opinion from Loeb.

Just let me know when he's actually directing a movie of Batman with all the work and adaptation problems it implies.

 

[Swordmaster]

Robin is not, and should not be, Frank Miller angry. If you're referring to All Star Batman and Robin....don't.

Robin's purpose was to make Batman lighten up. This does not mean that Batman the character is darker, but he provides a balance for Batman's anger, because, in the comics, without Robin, he likely would have gone crazy...er.

A prime example is Dark Victory, which shows the origin of Robin and the beginning of the Dynamic Duo While portrayed younger than he should be in the films, the core of the character should be adapted: he should be angered at the loss of his parents, no doubt, but he shouldn't become Batman 2.0. Do that, and you lose the point of the character as he is today.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

so why can't we have a nolan batman with a robin who balances him out ?


he can still be angrier, but Robin can be pretty dark angry too (OKAY SO NOT FM angry)

i think the problem is that THE ONLY REASON THESE MOVIES ARE RATED pg13 is because ultimately BATMAN (as well as all comics) are seen as for children....

WE NEED 1 movie where the interpretation of Batman and Robin would be so "ADULT" (not pornographic) that parents wouldn't want to associate their children w/ superheroes


BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU FANBOYS HAVE READ @ least one comic in your life.... do you honestly think they are for KIDS?????


WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????

 

[Man Who Laughed]

If I remember correctly, Robin was actually around before Alfred in the comics. And while Robin is as much a part of the Batman mythos as anyone, he doesn't fit the atmosphere of the movies *right now.* Maybe once I've seen TDK my mind will have been changed, but as it stands, there is no room for Robin. I would like to see him eventually, b/c he is a great character. But for now, I'll pass.

 

[Swordmaster]

so why can't we have a nolan batman with a robin who balances him out ?


he can still be angrier, but Robin can be pretty dark angry too (OKAY SO NOT FM angry)

i think the problem is that THE ONLY REASON THESE MOVIES ARE RATED pg13 is because ultimately BATMAN (as well as all comics) are seen as for children....

WE NEED 1 movie where the interpretation of Batman and Robin would be so "ADULT" (not pornographic) that parents wouldn't want to associate their children w/ superheroes


BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU FANBOYS HAVE READ @ least one comic in your life.... do you honestly think they are for KIDS?????


WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????

Are you saying you want an R-rated Batman film? Because any Batman story* can be told without it being R-rated

*any story in the comics, not one made up by a ****ed-up screenwriter.

 

[omerhead]

Nolan might look into some comic books and realize Robin can be dark as well and can work in his Batman films but Nolan should first focus on Batman's early storylines without Robin, also Nolan could skip to Jason Todd/Robin.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i think a lot of batstories could easily be rated R.... especially the ones dealing w/ pedophelia and more adult themes...

one example of an adult themed story ARKHAM ASYLUM

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i guess my overall point is that the studios & the filmmakers need to get away fromthe idea that it's okay to take your kids to a batman movie.... BUT THEYT WON't BECAUSE TOYS, etc. generate too much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

no one ever took their 8 year old to a Freddy Krueger film (@ least no responsible parent)

WHY IS IT EVERYTIME I GO TO A BATFILM, ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE IN THE THEATER?

 

[omerhead]

i think a lot of batstories could easily be rated R.... especially the ones dealing w/ pedophelia and more adult themes...

one example of an adult themed story ARKHAM ASYLUM

Yeah, I agree

 

[Swordmaster]

i guess my overall point is that the studios & the filmmakers need to get away fromthe idea that it's okay to take your kids to a batman movie.... BUT THEYT WON't BECAUSE TOYS, etc. generate too much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

no one ever took their 8 year old to a Freddy Krueger film (@ least no responsible parent)

WHY IS IT EVERYTIME I GO TO A BATFILM, ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE IN THE THEATER?

Firstly, I concede your point on Arkham Asylum, hadn't considered that.

Second, Batman is as much for children as adults. Robin was introduced in the comics to make Batman lighter for younger readers. The Adam West show was kid-friendly, and many of today's adults grew up on it.

Lastly, Batman: The Animated Series. What many consider to be the definitive portrayal of Batman was made for kids, and yet the story-telling was top-notch and pretty dark.

My point is, Batman shouldn't be exclude Children to be only for adults, but it shouldn't be too kid-friendly that adults dread seeing it. There should be a healthy balance.

 

[TDK Joker]

so why can't we have a nolan batman with a robin who balances him out ?


he can still be angrier, but Robin can be pretty dark angry too (OKAY SO NOT FM angry)

i think the problem is that THE ONLY REASON THESE MOVIES ARE RATED pg13 is because ultimately BATMAN (as well as all comics) are seen as for children....

WE NEED 1 movie where the interpretation of Batman and Robin would be so "ADULT" (not pornographic) that parents wouldn't want to associate their children w/ superheroes


BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF YOU FANBOYS HAVE READ @ least one comic in your life.... do you honestly think they are for KIDS?????


WHAT's SO WRONG w/ making THE DARK KNIGHT less accessable ?????

That would pretty much kill the superhero movie genre. As much as I hate to say it, these movies (gag) need children. They need to market the toys and the merchandise to the children.

Also, I dont think WB are just thinking about O'Donnel Robin, I think they would probably consider Burt Ward and the '66 Robin. If they introduce Robin, people might start thinking about the old show. And we know what that was like.

 

[Caladbolg]

Much risky... IMHO, concepts such as these are best avoided. There is far too many innuendos that one doesnt even think of when these two characters are paired together. And these issues simply distract the point of the films and degrade them.

Solution: bypass the risk, and keep a stern stance: No to Robin.

One of the reasons I think Nolan is such a smart director. He knows what doors never to open.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

okay fair enough, but it still needs to loose the stigma (ALL COMICS DO) so that when anyone says BATMAN, adults don't say something like "OH THAT's SO CUTE" or "AWWW that's so adorable, [insert name here] likes superheroes"

adults need to recognize all comicbooks as dangerous (KINDA LIKE THEY DID IN THE 50's w/ crime & horror comics)

 

[TDK Joker]

i guess my overall point is that the studios & the filmmakers need to get away fromthe idea that it's okay to take your kids to a batman movie.... BUT THEYT WON't BECAUSE TOYS, etc. generate too much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

no one ever took their 8 year old to a Freddy Krueger film (@ least no responsible parent)

WHY IS IT EVERYTIME I GO TO A BATFILM, ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE IN THE THEATER?

I can understand where you're coming from here. I hate seeing whole families with small kids as well. Nolan himself has said this isn't for children, but people will still take their small kids to see it. Then you have the continuous questions "Who's that?" "Where's Batman?". Then you have the crying over the Joker and Two-Face. Heh heh heh. That'll show 'em

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i think that when you see a 40 year old man reading a Batman or Robin comic, most folks will either ignore him or not take him seriously.... thinking: Isn't he a little old for that ???


that scares me a bit, because i will probably still read when i turn 40....

 

[BubbaGump]

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