Jesus Married

[Corinthian™]

Sorry, but your scientific 'proof' (much of which relies on theories by the way) isn't anywhere as great as my spiritual experiences. Unless someone can explain to me how I regained my vision 100% when the doctors told me I wouldn't regain but maybe half after I was blinded for 2 weeks in a car accident, as something other than God, feel free. (even the doctor asked if I pray, I said yes, and he said that's the only way I was healed). If you can scientifically explain away how me and two other friends were attacked by demons ('channeling' through my two friends) and our prayers repelled them for nearly 4 hours in Boise Idaho during a revival we ran, then feel free. If you can explain away the angel I saw while praying a few years back, hey, I want to hear it. If you can explain away how when I pray, things happen that I can't explain, and you can't explain, and science can't explain hey, have a go. Because you can put your scientific 'proof' on the table all you want, but I know that it's not worth a dime.

It was probably your Faith and your Family's faith that helped you out. Faith moves mountains and that is not a lie.

People can do amazing things with faith and I'm not talking about God or the Aliens, I'm talking that the mind is so powerful that even we don't know how it works.

You have to concider that while books are old as heck the bible was (mis)used to control people. In fact, it was in Latin until a couple of hundred years ago. People who couldn't understand Latin had to believe what the religious people were saying

Now, how do you know that the bible(or at least the new testament) is 100% accuarate? The Book was written by people who, yes, were very close to Jesus, but were not HIM. I can write about my family yet it is hard for me to be inside their mind and tell exactly what happened.

You cannot let all of the possibilities out. I believe that there is a high possibility that Magdalen was actually very important to Jesus and perhaps he was married to her. I also believe that Jesus may have "rocked the cashba" with her. I also believe that he was a man like you and me and that he was no less son of God than you are.

Didn't he told the people the people something along the lines of "Who is my Mother? Who is my Brother? You all are for we are the sons of God" or something like that(not a bible specialist, but I can manage). I mean, maybe he tried to teach that we are all equal in the eyes of God and that he is no special than everyone else, but who would try to follow the religion of a wise man?

Stupid Zoroastrans

 

[Underoath]

I think it would be scary to see that stuff. My friend friend only sees demons when he's in a public place like a mall or something but when he's at a Christian home he doesn't. He's said that the Angels he sees are huge about 9ft tall and they just sit in the back watching the smaller Demons tease people.

 

[Spider-Who?]

You guys don't see the problem? The problem is that sex, and therefore relationships and marriages, although being necessary and condoned, are still considered a sin. It's seen as an impurity to engage in sex, even though it's a necessary impurity. That's why priests and nuns don't marry, because they're suppose to be more pure

it also comes down to dogma: Some people so passionately believe in the bible, they think anything mentioned in the bible is concrete fact, and if it's not mentioned there it probably didn't happen.

sex isnt a sin. the act of sex is a gift from God to married couples. How can a gift from God be a sin? Sex is a gift and a act of binding two souls together. How can this be a sin?

anyone who thinks sex is a sin is just sad cuz their weewee is small.

 

[Corinthian™]

sex isnt a sin. the act of sex is a gift from God to married couples. How can a gift from God be a sin? Sex is a gift and a act of binding two souls together. How can this be a sin?

anyone who thinks sex is a sin is just sad cuz their weewee is small.

but Jesus didn't have sex, therefor, Sex = Satan

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think it would be scary to see that stuff. My friend friend only sees demons when he's in a public place like a mall or something but when he's at a Christian home he doesn't. He's said that the Angels he sees are huge about 9ft tall and they just sit in the back watching the smaller Demons tease people.

The Angel I saw was at a bible study. I was at my friend's grandmother's house, who was a long time christian. Her husband had been a pastor or something, I didn't know him. But supposively he could see angels and demons. They tell me that he healed a man's stubbed ankle back to a foot, etc. So we were there praying and something caught my eye by the door. It wasn't a physical vision, but like something burnt into my mind's eye. The best way I can describe it was if you shine a light on an invisible man and just get the illumination on the head and shoulders, that'd be it. And it was actually right about 9ft tall. So I just looked over there and my friend's grandmother asked what I saw. I told her and she laughed and said that her husband use to say he saw an angel at that door at all times with the exact same description. It was also cool that when I saw it, I was upset about some family problems (specifically about my stepfather being an alcoholic) and suddenly I was calm. It was real neet. That was the first time I saw anything spiritual. I've felt angels and demons previous, but I'd never seen anything before.

 

[Underoath]

sex isnt a sin. the act of sex is a gift from God to married couples. How can a gift from God be a sin?

You just answered your own question. If its outside of marriage then it is.

 

[Corinthian™]

The Angel I saw was at a bible study. I was at my friend's grandmother's house, who was a long time christian. Her husband had been a pastor or something, I didn't know him. But supposively he could see angels and demons. They tell me that he healed a man's stubbed ankle back to a foot, etc. So we were there praying and something caught my eye by the door. It wasn't a physical vision, but like something burnt into my mind's eye. The best way I can describe it was if you shine a light on an invisible man and just get the illumination on the head and shoulders, that'd be it. And it was actually right about 9ft tall. So I just looked over there and my friend's grandmother asked what I saw. I told her and she laughed and said that her husband use to say he saw an angel at that door at all times with the exact same description. It was also cool that when I saw it, I was upset about some family problems (specifically about my stepfather being an alcoholic) and suddenly I was calm. It was real neet. That was the first time I saw anything spiritual. I've felt angels and demons previous, but I'd never seen anything before.

I believe in Angels.. but not in Angels as in Christian version of an Angel, but more like the meaning of ANGEL, which is messenger. I don't know what they are. Maybe they are just people who are higher up or maybe something else, who knows.

Also, have you thought that maybe you could be an empath and the Angels and Demons you can "feel" are actually psyche of people who passed on or people who are with us?

 

[E. Bison]

sex isnt a sin. the act of sex is a gift from God to married couples. How can a gift from God be a sin? Sex is a gift and a act of binding two souls together. How can this be a sin?

anyone who thinks sex is a sin is just sad cuz their weewee is small.

Get out of my head...

 

[Underoath]

And it was actually right about 9ft tall..

Is that just a coincidence that we both said they're 9ft tall? I think not.

 

[E. Bison]

I believe in Angels.. but not in Angels as in Christian version of an Angel, but more like the meaning of ANGEL, which is messenger. I don't know what they are. Maybe they are just people who are higher up or maybe something else, who knows.

Also, have you thought that maybe you could be an empath and the Angels and Demons you can "feel" are actually psyche of people who passed on or people who are with us?

Not really, cuz when humans die they cease to exist. The death of a human is as special as the death of an animal or a plant. The word "angel" means messenger since that what was they were originally doing within human contact to begin with. But angels have a much greater purpose than being divine mail men. In the book of Revelations angels fought a great war against Satan and his demon. When Armaggeddon comes they will destroy almost all human life on earth and banish Satan and his demons to an abyss.

 

[celldog]

The problem is that there is a little evidence to support it...

There NO evidence to support it.

 

[Corinthian™]

Not really, cuz when humans die they cease to exist. The death of a human is as special as the death of an animal or a plant. The word "angel" means messenger since that what was they were originally doing within human contact to begin with. But angels have a much greater purpose than being divine mail men. In the book of Revelations angels fought a great war against Satan and his demon. When Armaggeddon comes they will destroy almost all human life on earth and banish Satan and his demons to an abyss.

Who says that there are no ghosts of Dogs?

 

[JewishHobbit]

It was probably your Faith and your Family's faith that helped you out. Faith moves mountains and that is not a lie.

People can do amazing things with faith and I'm not talking about God or the Aliens, I'm talking that the mind is so powerful that even we don't know how it works.

My family at the time weren't christians. I was alone. My mother and sister have recently become christians, but that was way after all the stuff I mentioned before. I do believe that the mind is powerful, I don't believe it has anything to do with what happened. While you are entitled to it, this is only your opinion. And I don't subscribe to it. If the mind could be that powerful based on faith, my mother at the time of the demon in her house was just as strong in her faith of speaking to the dead and such as I was in my christian walk. Yet, her faith did nothing. If I had faith that I was doing all the things that's happened to me, then maybe you'd be on to something, but I don't believe for one second that I can do anything important, I just trust God can.

You have to concider that while books are old as heck the bible was (mis)used to control people. In fact, it was in Latin until a couple of hundred years ago. People who couldn't understand Latin had to believe what the religious people were saying

Just because people have abused the scriptures, doesn't mean that the books are wrong. Have you ever wondered that if they are wrong in translaction, someone who can translate somewhere between then and now would have spoken out, or enough would have to at least make a stance on it? Even after the dark ages, there's old accounts and such that can be traced. Why haven't scholars come out with some big thing about how what we have in the English and whatever other language bibles differs from the Hebrew or Greek bibles? And besides all that, how could a bible that's been misdone and destroied, speak truth about all the things that's happened to me? All that I've done in my past in regards to the miracles God's performed has been from what I've read out of the Bible, or what God has led me to do through prayer, none of which contradicts the bible. If the bible was messed up, how would the works that God's done have come to pass through me?

Now, how do you know that the bible(or at least the new testament) is 100% accuarate? The Book was written by people who, yes, were very close to Jesus, but were not HIM. I can write about my family yet it is hard for me to be inside their mind and tell exactly what happened.

The New Testiment does not claim to get inside Jesus' head, but moreso covers what he taught and what he did. The writings were written close enough to the times and by those close enough to him to where christian historians claim that it's close enough to be accurate. It makes sense to me. It's the same in some instances as us documenting the fall of the Titanic, or the presidensy of JFK. We aren't told that JFK may or may not have existed, or that what he did as president was wrong because people wrote about him after his death. Very seldom does anyone write of what Jesus thinks, unless it was something he had said out loud.

You cannot let all of the possibilities out. I believe that there is a high possibility that Magdalen was actually very important to Jesus and perhaps he was married to her. I also believe that Jesus may have "rocked the cashba" with her. I also believe that he was a man like you and me and that he was no less son of God than you are.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'd rather believe that he didn't marry or have sex with her as there is practicly no evidense of it. It's pretty much come down to some random people's opinions. The only possible evidence supporting it is a disregarded writing that says he kissed her on the mouth. Ironically enough, this writing was written later than the books that you say were too old to be taken seriously.

Didn't he told the people the people something along the lines of "Who is my Mother? Who is my Brother? You all are for we are the sons of God" or something like that(not a bible specialist, but I can manage). I mean, maybe he tried to teach that we are all equal in the eyes of God and that he is no special than everyone else, but who would try to follow the religion of a wise man?

It says something along those lines, but I don't remember where or the context. I'd suggest reading it in context and seeing what it is actually saying, the situation, etc. That might help you get a clearer interpretation of what he meant by it.

 

[celldog]

For some reason so many people have a huge problem with the idea that Jesus would be married. Now, I am a pretty hardcore Christian, Church every single Sunday, pay 10% income to tithing, the whole shabang, and I honestly do not see why Jesus wouldn't get married. Now some denominations believe in celebecy and I could see where Jesus having a marital status would be contrast to their believes, but for the rest of the Christians, what's the beef?

Wouldn't you define a "hard Core" Christian as someone who sticks to the Biblical accounts over all others??? If you were indeed "hard core" you would have enormous problems with this whole thing.

1. This story says that Jesus didn't not die on the cross. How can a "hard core" Christian accept that?

2. He ran off to France (then called Gaul) with Mary and had a baby girl named Sara. How can a "hard core" believer be cool with that.

3. The cruxt of Christianity rests and relies on the death and resurrection of Jesus. This is message that the church was founded on and that many died for. If these lies have merit, then there is no Christianity and there are no Christians...."hard core" or otherwise.

It more tha going to church, paying tithes or volunteering for stuff. Do you hold the word of God in the highest esteem like Jesus did?? If so, Dan Brown's book should make you angry...

Just food for thought.

 

[MajinShenron]

Whats the problem? God marrying his own creations.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I believe in Angels.. but not in Angels as in Christian version of an Angel, but more like the meaning of ANGEL, which is messenger. I don't know what they are. Maybe they are just people who are higher up or maybe something else, who knows.

Also, have you thought that maybe you could be an empath and the Angels and Demons you can "feel" are actually psyche of people who passed on or people who are with us?

You sound like my mom until just recently. Not that that's a bad thing, I love my mom (I'm a totle momma's boy). I had thought of the empath thing, but the thing is, why would they listen to me when I speak in the name of christ, but not when I just speak? Also, why is it that when a demon (or ghost if you like) went into my friend (the whole screaming roaring thing). It was in there, and we told it to leave, but it didn't, but when we began to ask it to leave in the name of Jesus, it began to grow angier, and then left. And this happened every time for 4 ours (we later estimated at least 50 or more demons). It'd be much to coincidental for me if these Ghosts randomly didn't like the word Jesus if it had no further meaning.

 

[celldog]

it's the whole purity thing i believe.

If he did indeed marry, it may have been to mary and she was a....


a.....

ya know...

If he married her and and had sex then he'd be doing it with his "wife". That's okay.

The issue her is that he did not. Both Biblical and extra-biblical evidence corroborate that He died in Crucifixtion.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I believe in Angels.. but not in Angels as in Christian version of an Angel, but more like the meaning of ANGEL, which is messenger. I don't know what they are. Maybe they are just people who are higher up or maybe something else, who knows.

Also, have you thought that maybe you could be an empath and the Angels and Demons you can "feel" are actually psyche of people who passed on or people who are with us?

Also just a thought, but if the Angel was a messenger, who or what is he a messenger of? There has to be something higher than him so that he may deliver whatever messages he has.

 

[E. Bison]

I'm sorry to break it to you JewishHobbit but that wasn't a good angel. That was a demon you saw.

2Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm sorry to break it to you JewishHobbit but that wasn't a good angel. That was a demon you saw.

2Corinthians 11:14 - And no wonder for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.

I respect you Bison, but I dont' see how you got this from my story of when I saw the angel. Angels do roam the earth, and they have been seen. Look at the story of when I think it was Jacob who wrestled the Angel. Look at the times the Angels were seen in the early stories of Jesus, such as the Shepards? (actually, you're Jahova's Witness, do you believe those stories? I'm not too familiar with your teachings)

Not only that, but why would Satan or a Demon come to bring me peace and to bring me closer to God? I agree that Satan can come in this form, but he uses it to pull people to him, not to direct them toward God.

Edit* Looking back, I assume you take this from my description of the Angel looking as if light were on his head and shoulders, but I think that's a pretty vague reason for assuming it was a demon. I personally have been around demons and know their feeling. It's a completely differant feeling that what I felt. And the point I made about it not making sense by making me closer to God also still stands. There's nothing that says an Angle does not look as I said, or could appear in that way.

 

[celldog]

If Jesus existed, then he was just another cult leader. Unfortunately this one spawned too quickly to be stopped.

How many events in the Bible were retconned before the oral tradition was written down?

None. The whole new testament was written in a span of about 40 years. That's a very short time considering the times. Slow travel, no telephones, no faxes or copy machines...etc. Plus the events were still fresh on the minds of eyewitnesses, and loyal followers and enemies were still alive who could dispute any flawed accounts if there were any. Authentication is judged by the number of copies that exist today of the original and by time between when the event happened and first time it was written about. The shorter the time span the the more reliable.


How many were taken from other civilizations in the area? Noah's flood was Gilgamesh's flood, people!


[B]All religions have some similarities. They always have. But can they all stand to be scutinized? What evidence can those others produce?[/B]


One god concept in an area where the other cultures worship a pantheon of gods? Maybe this was taken from another culture, the Egyptians.

Monotheism started with Adam. The first religion started with Abraham. The Egyptians had no less than 30 gods or more! The 10 plagues was God's showing the Pharoah that his god's don't exist....river god, sun god...etc.

Google Aten for this. The Exodus is considered to have taken place after Ahknaten ruled in Egypt therefore this could have happened.

According to who.......and what difference does it make?? Egypt has always believed in multiple gods.


Religion BAH!

Figures....

 

[E. Bison]

I respect you Bison, but I dont' see how you got this from my story of when I saw the angel. Angels do roam the earth, and they have been seen. Look at the story of when I think it was Jacob who wrestled the Angel. Look at the times the Angels were seen in the early stories of Jesus, such as the Shepards? (actually, you're Jahova's Witness, do you believe those stories?)

Not only that, but why would Satan or a Demon come to bring me peace and ;to bring me closer to God? I agree that Satan can come in this form, but he uses it to pull people to him, not to direct them toward God.

If you notice in all those accounts it was during times when the Bible was not available and complete. So Jehovah would send in angels to give instruction to those he was doing his will through. Today, that is no longer necessary because we have the complete Bible. You are correct that angels do roam the earth, but those angels are only demons who have been entrapped here. Take this into account:

It should not surprise us that the Devil can make divination appear beneficial, even angelic. The Bible says that Satan "keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14) He can even fabricate portents and then make them come true, deceiving onlookers into thinking that the omen is from God.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

(2 Corinthians 4:3, 4)If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

You have most definitely made contact with an angel but those angels are all demons because of them showing you powerful works. All powerful miracles were done once the Bible was completed and the Apostles died. Angels quit appearing to humans since it was no longer necessary.

 

[Corinthian™]

You sound like my mom until just recently. Not that that's a bad thing, I love my mom (I'm a totle momma's boy). I had thought of the empath thing, but the thing is, why would they listen to me when I speak in the name of christ, but not when I just speak? Also, why is it that when a demon (or ghost if you like) went into my friend (the whole screaming roaring thing). It was in there, and we told it to leave, but it didn't, but when we began to ask it to leave in the name of Jesus, it began to grow angier, and then left. And this happened every time for 4 ours (we later estimated at least 50 or more demons). It'd be much to coincidental for me if these Ghosts randomly didn't like the word Jesus if it had no further meaning.

faith is a powerfu thing. And I don't mean christian faith. I have faith in my mom and that thing is strong.

Your faith is the strongest in what you love the most. Christianity does miracles, but so does Islamism

 

[celldog]

You guys don't see the problem? The problem is that sex, and therefore relationships and marriages, although being necessary and condoned, are still considered a sin. It's seen as an impurity to engage in sex, even though it's a necessary impurity. That's why priests and nuns don't marry, because they're suppose to be more pure

it also comes down to dogma: Some people so passionately believe in the bible, they think anything mentioned in the bible is concrete fact, and if it's not mentioned there it probably didn't happen.

Sex was created by God. It's okay if we use it the way He designed it to be used.....in marriage. Between a man and a woman. The apostles had wives. Peter the Apostle was married. (1 Corinthians 9:5). 1 Timothy 3 says that the pastor or bishop or deacons must be the "husband" of only one wife if they are married.

The problem with the Catholic branch of Christianity is their lack of reading the scriptures and discipling their flock that way. Instead they hold to "traditions" and other things that lead them to do things never intended. I honestly believe that "some" of the sex scandals that go on in that church happen because men and women (with the best intentions) are stifling the sexual need needlessly, by not marrying.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus was married. Here's why:

1. In real life, children as young as 15 would be married by their families by other families for whatever reason--land, cattle, whatever.
One could say that Mary and Joe just never did that for his son, and while it's not impossible that could be true, but it's really improbable.

2. Frankly, every society has had many sordid, dark secrets in their pasts, even the Church. From the zealots during the Crusades, to allowing the Nazi's to do their thing, the Church has made as much mistakes in the past as any of us.

And don't point fingers at me saying I'm some sort of "faithless athiest" or some s**t. While I don't really like organized religion much (I'd rather study my options, see what's best for me, and follow it on my own terms), I respect those who have it.

But, maybe it's my perspective of it all, but when I read or hear anything about Jesus Christ, I really don't see a Massiah or the Son of God--I just see a person, a very influential one, maybe even someone who had the extraordinary powers the Bible claims he has, but a person nonetheless; and frankly, I wouldn't give a crap if he was married or not.