The Rise of Skywalker JJ Abrams is Writing and Directing Episode IX

[Frodo]

With Colin , it sounds like they liked his pitch but the scripts we'rent to their liking. I won't make a judgment about whether they were good or not since I haven't read them. They could have stunk or they may not have gone in the direction the producers wanted to go. At this point we don't know for sure.
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Here it is Aximili86. A pitch and a script are too different things. And since you clearly agree with what I already posted that should clear up any confusion you have about my post.

Again, good talk.

 

[Aximili86]

It's semantics at a certain point. What you wrote gave the impression of the way the movie was going post-pitch.

Of course they liked his pitch, they gave him the gig. It seems pretty clear that everything after being hired wasn't up to scratch though. He didn't even make it as far as Lord & Miller in the process, getting onto a set.

 

[henzINNIT]

Between 'Book of Henry' and Carrie Fisher's passing, I'm sure the episode 9 writing sessions became pretty bleak. Didn't like Jurassic World so I was pretty happy to see Trevorrow go, but if there's any truth to him clashing with producers over Luke's fate I can sympathize. Imagine getting the Star Wars dream job and then being told that Han, Luke and (sadly) Leia are all going to be gone by the time you get started.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

"I’ve seen all of the theories [about Rey’s lineage] and you know I have to practice how to answer these questions. What I do know is that we’re going to make sure that that answer is deeply and profoundly satisfying because Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy and she deserves it. So we’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we’re just telling you what happened.” “I love Rey [she’s my favorite character]. But I love her. And I love what she represents in that universe and where we can take her. It’s pretty incredible."

"What’s interesting is I’m not creating a host of new characters. I have a lot of characters that people really love that we’re going to make sure are all honored. No one’s going to be left behind.” “[I want want the presence of Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher to be even greater in my film. I can’t wait] to find new places that we can take those characters.” “They are icons, but they’re also people that have suffered tremendous loss and challenge over the course of all these films.” “By the time we get to Episode IX, I look at that movie as one movie, as three movies, as six movies, and as nine movies. It’s something that needs to honor a story that has been told over a period of 40 years.” “I don’t want to ignore any of it, and I respect all of it. It’s something I think the fan base is going to embrace."

http://www.etonline.com/news/179765...ises_satisfying_answer_to_star_wars_theories/ (January 12, 2016)

Colin Trevorrow was removed as the writer/director of Episode IX during the summer of 2017.

True story: the DPG site is written by a team of JP fans who are now our creative partners. When I have questions about canon, they set me straight. The new [Jurassic] trilogy is built for a new generation, but not at the expense of the fandom. Without them we’re nothing...

https://***********/colintrevorrow/status/960518175946403840 (February 5, 2018)

 

[Aximili86]

What about that would indicate Kathleen's/Rian's intention was for Luke not to be back? Even in "greater presence"? Carrie's obviously not a reality, but there's nothing in TLJ to suggest Luke won't be back in some force-form or another, ghost or otherwise.

 

[Frodo]

It's semantics at a certain point. What you wrote gave the impression of the way the movie was going post-pitch.

Of course they liked his pitch, they gave him the gig. It seems pretty clear that everything after being hired wasn't up to scratch though. He didn't even make it as far as Lord & Miller in the process, getting onto a set.

No , but if you want to believe that , go right ahead. My posts are right there in order when they were posted, but you latched on the last one mistakenly assuming I was talking post pitch . You clearly didn't see how the conversation started.

Given your new response , you seem to now concede that we actually agree as opposed to disagreeing.

As far as what happened post pitch, I can't say what the quality of his script was, since there weren't any solid reports which stated whether it sucked or not. Whatever the case , it clearly wasn't the direction that they wanted to go in.

 

[Aximili86]

They thought the script sucked. They fired him! Jesus.

"Reports"? The only "reports" on the script would be rumors and leaks, which we generally don't believe as legit anyway. All we can go on is Kennedy and the producers weren't on board with it, for obvious reasons.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

John Boyega: "I did say, when I've read [Episode IX], I will let people know. But nothing yet." "Because of the way The Last Jedi ended, I don't know what they could do now." "I just hope that – obviously JJ's in a space where creatively he's been able to create something exciting, as he always does. So I want it to be fun. Hopefully we get to find out more about the characters that they set up from VII." "And perhaps a shocking moment. Each trilogy has got to have that moment, right? So to have a shocking moment would be cool, too. But as of now, I don't know a thing." (May 18, 2018)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I ask one things from JJ. Go with your original intention and make Rey a Skywalker/Solo. This might make TLJ a much more enjoyable experience to me, as opposed to the odd feeling I get when I even think about it now. It makes her relationship with Kylo bearable, while making the loss of Luke and Leia somewhat bearable for me. The idea of Kylo, the last Skywalker, somehow redeemed and with Rey is just... prequel territory.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My preference is stick with their current vision. Keep Kylo evil and don't redeem him, and leave Rey's lineage as is.

 

[Brother Jack]

I love Rey coming from nothing, and I don't think it contradicts anything in TFA. This is a new kind of hero in the saga, divorced from chosen one tropes and special bloodlines, who has to rely only on herself to succeed. That's what the vision in the cave was about, that's what her thing has been since the beginning. Self-reliance.

 

[Aximili86]

Yep. ^

 

[Spider-Fan]

I love Rey coming from nothing, and I don't think it contradicts anything in TFA. This is a new kind of hero in the saga, divorced from chosen one tropes and special bloodlines, who has to rely only on herself to succeed. That's what the vision in the cave was about, that's what her thing has been since the beginning. Self-reliance.

100% agreed I like that idea way more

 

[henzINNIT]

My friend is obsessed with the theory that Rey is the child born of the force that the Jedi prophecy from the prequels was referring to. He gave an impassioned speech about how the mirror sequence in TLJ is proof of this, as Rey only saw herself when she asked to see her parents. I'll admit I never really cared for the idea before, but he swung me a little.

 

[Iceman]

I guess there could be something to that. I'm not sure that Rian was thinking of that when he filmed that scene but it would improve it a little for me too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love Rey coming from nothing, and I don't think it contradicts anything in TFA. This is a new kind of hero in the saga, divorced from chosen one tropes and special bloodlines, who has to rely only on herself to succeed. That's what the vision in the cave was about, that's what her thing has been since the beginning. Self-reliance.

The Star Wars saga is about the Skywalkers, and everything, including Rey's own vision in TFA (a vision of nothing but Skywalkers except herself is really odd), tell you she is a Skywalker. There have always been heroes who are not related to the Skywalkers. This is not something new, unless you think Han Solo is not a hero. That Chewbacca, Poe, Finn, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, and Lando are not heroes. What is weird is trying to push a special relationship between Rey and Kylo, if they aren't related. Because that mean she wants to shag a murdering psychopath because Rian thinks Leia and Han going to work was really hard on Kylo. One who murdered Han Solo right in front of her.

I also think it actually gives her a connection to Luke, that was not created in TLJ. They spend most of the film together, and have no relationship by the end of the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My preference is stick with their current vision. Keep Kylo evil and don't redeem him, and leave Rey's lineage as is.

Yes, I agree. As a Skywalker.

 

[flickchick85]

I love Rey coming from nothing, and I don't think it contradicts anything in TFA. This is a new kind of hero in the saga, divorced from chosen one tropes and special bloodlines, who has to rely only on herself to succeed. That's what the vision in the cave was about, that's what her thing has been since the beginning. Self-reliance.

Agreed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Rey is a "chosen one" according to Rian himself. Even if she isn't a Skywalker, she is chosen by the Force to fight against Kylo. Darkness rises and light to meet it. But this is the Rian who thinks Kylo isn't all that bad, and clearly wants him and Rey to produce some sort of Skywalker heir, so yeah.

 

[Aximili86]

When the hell has Johnson ever indicated Ben Solo "isn't all that bad"? He climaxes the movie by leading an invasion of a Resistance base intending to kill every last person there including his own mother.

Then tries to run his uncle through with a lightsaber when heavy-blastering him from a half-dozen AT-ATs for 30 seconds straight doesn't work.

He's worse in TLJ than he was in TFA, arguably. Especially given he's not being manipulated anymore and is acting purely-and-simply of his own accords and desires.

Also, yes, Rey's a "Chosen One" as Kylo is in a sense. That's interesting, right? She's not of a lineage but she is, she's not a prophesized Space-Jesus like Anakin but there's a purpose in place.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He's said that he thinks Kylo is redeemable, and that he doesn't believe Kylo is as evil as Vader in his prime.

 

[Snow Queen]

When the hell has Johnson ever indicated Ben Solo "isn't all that bad"? He climaxes the movie by leading an invasion of a Resistance base intending to kill every last person there including his own mother.

Then tries to run his uncle through with a lightsaber when heavy-blastering him from a half-dozen AT-ATs for 30 seconds straight doesn't work.

He's worse in TLJ than he was in TFA, arguably. Especially given he's not being manipulated anymore and is acting purely-and-simply of his own accords and desires.

Also, yes, Rey's a "Chosen One" as Kylo is in a sense. That's interesting, right? She's not of a lineage but she is, she's not a prophesized Space-Jesus like Anakin but there's a purpose in place.

The guy goes on to call the hut scene "the closest thing to a sex scene in a Star Wars movie," that Kylo is now half the protagonist, and how we can all relate to Kylo because he's angry I guess. There's a strange way Johnson (and Kennedy, with quotes like Kylo making decisions that "aren't necessarily bad in the context of Star Wars") talks about Kylo that I find utterly off-putting, and I feel it rubs off on the film. He does these bad things, but then the last we see of him is him making puppy dog eyes. We have to sweep the damage he did to Finn under the rug to the point Rey doesn't so much as mention it. That he's an accessory to genocide at best. That he's the Star Wars equivalent of a school shooter and joined up with Space Neo Nazis because mom and dad had to work sometimes. Johnson has talked about Rey as an audience surrogate, and the way he writes Rey, jumping right into "Kylo can be redeemed, you're not alone, man who I watched kill and maim most people I have bonded with up to this point," doesn't exactly dispel my thoughts on his handling of Kylo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, and that is exactly why TLJ ends not with a confrontation involving the main character, but Rian's main character Kylo taking on Luke Skywalker. It is why TLJ is missing its protagonist. It focuses on Kylo a lot, in what feels like Rian's attempt to make him seem not that bad, while having him do extremely awful things. It is almost like Rian doesn't see what he is writing and somehow relates to Kylo. Which is kind of scary when you think about it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I agree with Rian, in the sense that Kylo's not as bad as Vader.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I disagree. I think he is far worse, and the narrative shows why. Vader didn't reject his loved ones. He is lost to the dark side because he was trying not to lose them and then lost them. That is what made Vader, Vader. This is exactly why the return of Luke broke the dark side's hold on him.

Kylo has a loving mother, father, uncle, Lando and Chewie. He is surrounded by love, and rejects it, repeatedly. Where Vader could not kill Luke on Bespin or the Death Star II, Kylo murderers his father. He murderers Lor San Tekka. He tries to murder his mother and uncle. This is before we get into him joining the space Nazi and murdering his fellow students.

The interesting thing about the Kylo/Rey post Throne Room battle scene, is it proves Luke should have killed Kylo. He was right. He made up his mind. He knows what he is doing, it eats at him, but he keeps doing it. He keeps choosing to be evil, in the face of his family. That makes him so much worse then Vader.