SolidSnakeMGS said:
So I'm wrong but ONCE AGAIN you cannot back up your claim.
Well, you can't because NEITHER tracks have this "mingling".
Then You are not looking Hard enough. Listen to Chasing Rockets. Starting at 1:35 You can clearly hear the Mingling of Both Themes. I'm listening to it Right now. Next Time Do your Homework.
To further Drive My point home. On the Soundtrack Album Score Commentary, the writer seems to disagree with you and Ottman on who's theme it belongs to. He states that the theme Underscores Luthor and Not Otis. While I don't necessarily think it's strictly Luthor's Theme, that to me shows that it is not Otis's theme Either.
When arguing and you think someone is wrong, it's usually prudent to not only provide evidence, but to provide what you think is the right answer. My list is to the best of my knowledge complete AND accurate. I stand by it.
You're right. But since I have provided evidence (I'll see if there is more) That you list is missing other instances, then maybe you should stand down on this point.
Yeah, it IS relevant. Certainly is. You're saying there is the Villains theme being played when the cop is being killed. THERE ISN'T. There is no arguing this! It is not there!
I don't know if I should take you word for it. I'll just check for myself. However I do recall it being there.
If it's on the OST, so what?? That proves NOTHING. Hard to argue it's underscoring when Lex's kills the cop when it's only on the soundtrack, isn't it?
Not really. Because one can synch it up to when it would have been used.(if it was used at all, I'll have to check) Besides, that was the Composer's intent to showcase the theme in that context, to show what is happening onscreen musically. How is it irrelavent that his composition was overruled by Donner or the Producers. (who get a final say on film scoring, but you know that)
That may be possible, but since I rarely watch the credits all the way through, I wouldn't know.
It's there since I have watched the entire end credits years back. (Plus it is stated in the Album Commentary that it was used for The reason I gave) The end credits also stated that Superman 2 would coming out next Year.
Besides, I meant IN THE FILM itself, and you knew that. Listening to the end credits is like listening to the soundtrack; their is no visual to underscore.
When You said te Love Theme, I assumed you meant the Track "Love Theme From Superman". What Specifically where you talking about? For the most part, most if not all, of what was composed of the Love theme (save the alternate takes) was in the movie.
No need for the condescension, bud. I'm fully aware strings can be menacing. I don't seem to have the problem of identifying the tone of a theme here.
If I was coming off as condescending then that wasn't my intention, and I apologize.
No it isn't. EXCEPT ONE TIME, it is used exclusively for Otis. We hear it for Lex whereas it becomes sort of a victory flourish. How come we do not hear this Villains theme when...well...uh....Luthor is being a villain and killing cops and Supermen? No, we hear it when Otis is being a villain.
Seeing as how I showed that your list is incomplete (there could be more) This point is invalid and I don't really have refute it.
What?? You're trying to say the theme is downplayed? LOL. It's quite the opposite. The Villains theme is OVERBEARING until the end when we hear a not even complete and slower paced theme.
No NO NO!! You misunderstand me. I meant downplayed in the context of what I was saying.
Kroc1138 said:
It's a Villain motif. It varies from time to Time b/c we assume that Luthor shouldn't be a threat to Superman. Thus the Villain theme isn't really used in the same contrasting capacity as the Superman March. It's downplayed until Luthor takes his plan into action.
By saying "downplayed" I meant that when Contrasted (Hero vs Villain) with the Superman march it didn't come across powerfully. Just like How when we are introduced to Luthor He doesn't really seem like a Threat To Superman. Thus the theme doesn't come across as a match for the Superman March, but it really wasn't meant to a match to begin with since we always assume that Luthor shouldn't be able to match Superman, but he does.
No it isn't. Sorry, but you're wrong. It isn't there, just like it isn't there when Lex kills a cop.
I'll see for myself. Thank You!