Justice League Status Updates Thread - Part 1

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Three months apart is hardly head to head.
Wel, that's kinda my point.

There's plenty of summer months for TA2 and JLA to coexist.
 
May be too much superhero team up overload for one summer. Also would WB want a direct comparison made between the two properties?

Avengers will no doubt have the upper hand in built in fan base coming from the first. JL could end up looking like a less successful imitator. At least with the avengers and TDKR coming out in the same year the two films couldn't seem more different.
 
yeah it's not about competition, it's about having like the same/similar movie come out.
 
That's ridiculous, you're telling me that people wouldn't want to see a JL movie in the same summer as Avengers 2 because it would look like a less successful imitator? We don't know how this movie will look, it could end up looking more ambitious than Avengers 2 for all we know. Most people will probably see both movies anyway, so what does it matter?
 
I seriously wouldn't mind Affleck as director. But Brad Bird would be so much better...but I doubt he would risk his reputation with Disney by going over to their rivals, WB.
 
I'd like to think something like that wouldn't affect his reputation. He's too much of a valuable director for something like that to happen.
 
I feel the need to offer my opinion on the eventual Justice League movie...

A big part of why TA was so great, and why audiences went for it in such a big way was because it assembled (hee!) bunch of characters whom the audience were already familiar with, and loved, bringing em together for the first time.

For DC/WB to make a similarly successful JL film, they have first got to successfully establish the JL team members with the movie going audience via solo films.

My ideal plan would be this-

Green Lantern II- I think they should just get Goyer/Nolan's to write it, a different director, a completely different tone, but keep RR in the lead role. At this stage, any more recasting/rebooting just means another step backwards.

Flash and Wonder Woman need distinct and most importantly great solo films, I wouldn't mind seeing a Martian Manhunter movie either. Perhaps, him and Aquaman could be introduced as cameo roles in these films.

Superman, obviously they use Cavill...

And as for Batman, ideally Bale would reprise the role. If someone else is cast as Batman, especially if his first app is in the JL movie without any prior solo films, the audience will not except him as Batman. It would be like recasting RDJ for The Avengers. The audience will be like 'Who the hell is this guy, that's not Batman.'

Obviously it's unlikely Bale will don the cape and cowl again, but for me this is one of the reasons why a JL movie anytime this decade will not have the same traction/momentum as TA did. And even if they do have to recast Bats it seems dumb to retcon Nolan's Bat-history. They are some of the most accomplished/revered cbms to date. For DC to not want them to be part of a DC cinematic universe timeline would be insane.

So anyway, in an ideal world we get GLII, keep RR but just make a great film, then solo WW and Flash films which are great. Then bring em all together for JL with Cavill and Bale, THAT would be something to rival TA. Otherwise forget it.
 
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Yup.

People don't seem to get how the Justice League dynamic works when they get together. There's very little in the leaguer's solo stories that cannot be introduced in the JLA film as needed. Yes, Avengers did it another way, but where was the benefit, other than that people knew Iron Man and Thor existed and there were some simple connections between films? It's not like The Avengers was heavily tied to the solo films of the characters, or that there was much in the way of character development in the movie. The insistence that somehow it's "cheating" to make a few solo hero films and then a JLA movie is getting annoying. There are many ways to make a DC filmverse happen.

The JUSTICE LEAGUE characters, who have pretty simple powers and backgrounds at their outset, will interact with each other...much the same as they did in THE AVENGERS. Well, hopefully better, and with more depth.

But it still a business.

And making solo films first, builds the hype for the event/team movie. Avengers would have made nowhere near the same amount of revenue if it had not been preceded by 5 solo films and this would be the same for a JL movie.
 
I disagree - a JL movie would guarantee a bunch of money with or without solo movies. At this point, why take the gamble, and spend a **** load of money on solo movies when all they want to do is a JL movie? Those solo movies, I'll bet, wouldn't get much in the box office. Don't try to tell me that if a JL movie came out, it wouldn't do extremely well in the box office. If it has Batman and Superman, people would be ALL OVER that **** - fanboy or not, solo build up or not.
 
But it still a business.

And making solo films first, builds the hype for the event/team movie.

So does building the hype for the event/team movie.

You know what built hype for THE AVENGERS?

Hype...for THE AVENGERS.

Avengers would have made nowhere near the same amount of revenue if it had not been preceded by 5 solo films and this would be the same for a JL movie.

That’s because the average person, while they know what Captain America and The Hulk are, they didn't, prior to the solo films know much of anything about Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and arguably, Thor.

You cannot say the same about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and Aquaman prior to the Justice League movie. They are cultural icons.
 
I disagree - a JL movie would guarantee a bunch of money with or without solo movies. At this point, why take the gamble, and spend a **** load of money on solo movies when all they want to do is a JL movie? Those solo movies, I'll bet, wouldn't get much in the box office. Don't try to tell me that if a JL movie came out, it wouldn't do extremely well in the box office. If it has Batman and Superman, people would be ALL OVER that **** - fanboy or not, solo build up or not.

True.

But I believe if they made Flash, WW films that really stood on their own, it WOULD build more anticipation for the JL movie.

So does building the hype for the event/team movie.

You know what built hype for THE AVENGERS?

Hype...for THE AVENGERS.

That, does not make any sense my friend.
The hype was partially a result of the success of the solo films.

That’s because the average person, while they know what Captain America and The Hulk are, they didn't, prior to the solo films know much of anything about Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and arguably, Thor.

You cannot say the same about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and Aquaman prior to the Justice League movie. They are cultural icons.

Gimme a break.
Batman and Superman are cultural icons yes.

Wonder Woman? Perhaps in the 1970's when the live action show was airing. But kids of today, non comic readers, I'm not so sure and I'd be surprised if any of em knew who The Flash or Aquaman were. As for GL same thing before the film came out- non comic readers (lets say the youth demographic- teens to 25) had probably never heard of him. We're not talking Spidey and the Hulk here. Flash, WW etc might be giants in comics, but there has not been anything significant in other media that has kept them in the public consciousness outside of comics.
 
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And even if they do have to recast Bats it seems dumb to retcon Nolan's Bat-history. They are some of the most accomplished/revered cbms to date. For DC to not want them to be part of a DC cinematic universe timeline would be insane.
They have to retcon. There's no way Bruce is returning to the cowl after TDKR. Having Blake-Batman in the JL is more counterproductive than rebooting Bats.
 
Marvel's solo films didn't exactly set the world on fire at the box office (with the exception of Iron Man). What really sold The Avengers was the concept of all of these superheroes coming together on screen. Not to knock Marvel's movie-verse. It's a great idea. But to say The Avengers wouldn't have been a box-office juggernaut without it is silly. That movie sold itself with that group shot of all the heroes together.

I have no doubt that a Justice League film will be hugely successful - with or without solo films.
 
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Gimme a break.
Batman and Superman are cultural icons yes.

Wonder Woman? Perhaps in the 1970's when the live action show was airing. But kids of today, non comic readers, I'm not so sure and I'd be surprised if any of em knew who The Flash or Aquaman were. As for GL same thing before the film came out- non comic readers (lets say the youth demographic- teens to 25) had probably never heard of him. We're not talking Spidey and the Hulk here. Flash, WW etc might be giants in comics, but there has not been anything significant in other media that has kept them in the public consciousness outside of comics.
I promise you that if you were to walk up to any average joe on the street, they would know who Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, and Green Lantern are.
 
I promise you that if you were to walk up to any average joe on the street, they would know who Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, and Green Lantern are.

Agreed...thanks to "The Superfriends"
 
Hell, I just asked my girlfriend (one of the most comic-book-illiterate people on the face of the earth) to name members of the Justice League off the top of her head, and the only one she missed was Aquaman (who she claims she would have remembered if she had more time to think).

Her exact order:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
The Flash
Batman
 
Justice League is fine because people want to see Superman and Batman together. There's a ton of DC fans who want their version of Avengers, so there's that too.

The curiosity of a new Batman, existing in a different universe to Nolans will spark peoples imaginations, they will HAVE to see the movie. Whether they dont like the idea or they do, they'll be curious enough to see how it plays out.

Avengers doesnt have the A-List characters that Justice League already have. Before TA not a lot of people were familiar with Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Nick Fury, Hawkeye. Even Captain America isn't that well-known.

They had no Spider-Man, no Wolverine, no Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman hell even Flash...all they had were the Hulk (and people were complaining about the quality of his movies and then they were moaning about Norton not returning). So it wasnt looking good. The success of the solos is the reason why Avengers caught on in the first place. It all started with Downey. If they hired anybody but Downey, i dont think ppl would have responded to the 1st Iron Man like that.

JLA doesnt need anything to gain interest. No handful of solo movies, all they need is that Man of Steel movie to tell the world "Superman is back and this aint ur daddys version". To be honest, even if they didnt have this it's friggin Superman and Batman! Cultural icons! More than anything Marvel can put together.

They just dont need solo movies, period.

Green Lantern isnt known by everyone, its true. But the rest of em are. I cant say this about Marvels heroes. I can name 2 or 3 heroes that are known worldwide (Wolverine is pretty damn popular but if u asked my parents who he is they would have no idea, so even he is not as big) from Marvel....and maybe 1 of them is in Avengers. And the guy isn't even a big box office draw in comparison.
 
Hell, I just asked my girlfriend (one of the most comic-book-illiterate people on the face of the earth) to name members of the Justice League off the top of her head, and the only one she missed was Aquaman (who she claims she would have remembered if she had more time to think).

Her exact order:

Superman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
The Flash
Batman

Mine not only named all of those but also Wendy and Marvin. I'm impressed.
 
They have to retcon. There's no way Bruce is returning to the cowl after TDKR. Having Blake-Batman in the JL is more counterproductive than rebooting Bats.

Who said anything about Blake as Batman?
Blake would obviously assume the role of Robin or Nightwing, whilst Batman, now that his body has been rejuvenated by 'the pit' could easily be brought back if something happened to disturb his happy ending with Selina.

Avengers doesnt have the A-List characters that Justice League already have.

Your joking right?

JL has Superman and Batman and bunch of characters no one outside of comics knows of, 'cept for maybe WW. Whereas The Avengers have The Incredible Hulk (world famous cultural icon) The Super Soldier, Shell Head and the god of Thunder all world famous with movie audiences thanks to their solo films.

JLA doesnt need anything to gain interest. No handful of solo movies, all they need is that Man of Steel movie to tell the world "Superman is back and this aint ur daddys version". To be honest, even if they didnt have this it's friggin Superman and Batman! Cultural icons! More than anything Marvel can put together.

Not really, Iron Man is as well known with movie audiences now as either Supes or Bats, plus you got the Hulk in Avengers. And what about if a certain webslinger shows up in A2? You can forget your 'more than anything Marvel can put together' boasting then. ;)

But I understand what you are saying, Batman and Superman in the same film is enough to make it a cinematic juggernaut. But I just think without Bale it would not do AS well.
 
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A Bats/Supes crossover would be just as big an event as Avengers to be honest, because that is the dynamic that has seriously become as iconic as anything. Those two teaming up and butting heads is pretty common knowledge amongst most people.
 
This is my piece about the lead ups/not lead ups.

If the non lead up strategy works, then it works. I dont think anyone is gonna be mad if we still get a good JL film without the lead in films.

That being said...I'd still feel comfortable with the lead ins for the following reasons
1. I dont think DC has their sh** together with solo films yet. To me giving seven heroes to someone who can barely handle one hero is risky.
2. I'd rather have a full film of Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. kicking ass then waiting for them to shine in JL
3. I think it will be really hard to introduce 5-7 larger than life, 60 year old characters in one film and give them all a good amount of screen time/action
4. I'm nervous that if the movie (which I doubt) or a certain character isnt seen well in JL that we wont get the solo film. Like if Wondy is poorly received in JL I dont think the solo will come out
5. Part of the fun of the Avengers for me, were watching the lead up films.

BUt as I said if no lead ins works, then it works. I'm not gonna be mad.
 
Your joking right?

JL has Superman and Batman and bunch of characters no one outside of comics knows of, 'cept for maybe WW. Whereas The Avengers have The Incredible Hulk (world famous cultural icon) The Super Soldier, Shell Head and the god of Thunder all world famous with movie audiences thanks to their solo films.

Iron Man is as well known with movie audiences now as either Supes or Bats, plus you got the Hulk in Avengers. And what about if a certain webslinger shows up in A2? You can forget your 'more than anything Marvel can put together' boasting then. ;)

Now is a little different than pre-Avengers. Iron Man is huge now, Captain America and Thor are known by every little kid whether they own comics or not.

I was mainly talking about pre-Downey/Stark vs what it's always been for Batman/Superman, etc.

"JL has Superman and Batman and bunch of characters no one outside of comics knows of, 'cept for maybe WW"..that is wrong. Everybody has heard of at least Flash and Aquaman. Especially Flash, and definately Wonder Woman. No question. Everybody and their grandmother.

Even now, not everybody knows who Captain America and Thor are. You have to be pretty shut off, but im not lying. And as popular as Iron Man has been in the last 4 years, he will never be an A-List character to a lot of people. You take Downey out of the suit and i guarantee he's back to being a B-List superhero like he has been since the 60s. He's not like Superman or Batman, where it doesnt matter who's playing him, you will always get movies and tv shows every decade for the next 200 years. Their symbols are everlasting. I can say the same with Spider-man pretty much.

This is not a "DC is better than Marvel" thing. Facts are just facts. Justice League has more iconic characters that dont need the amount of building as Avengers did at the time.

If you think Hulk is an A-lister, then fine, i wont say ur wrong. But as popular as he is, 95 percent of people will agree that they still havent seen a great Hulk movie. And i personally cant name a single comic of his that i can regard as a classic or memorable. A lot of the Justice League has this problem too, but if Hulk is the biggest thing going for Avengers since it was invented, then how does that compare to JLA's big leaguers??
 
Batman and Superman are covered. The GA is familiar with Green Lantern; his origin can be referenced through dialogue. The Flash's origin isn't particularly complicated, so his can be referenced through dialogue as well. That's four characters you don't have to worry about.

You can use Batman to get the explanations out the way. He's bound to have information on his future teammates.
 
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Batman and Superman are covered. The GA is familiar with Green Lantern; his origin can be referenced through dialogue. The Flash's origin isn't particularly complicated, so his can be referenced through dialogue as well. That's four characters you don't have to worry about.

You can use Batman to get the explanations out the way. He's bound to have information on his future teammates.

Agreed. :up:

Keep a small Line up, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash add Cyborg / Martian Manhunter as a new member towards the end of first movie for the sequels.

Superman and Batman need no introduction to anyone.

Green Lantern is also well known as he has had one live action movie (even if some people have not watched that movie they would be aware of the character), a animated TV series, two animated movies.


Wonder Woman is fairly well known character her back story could be briefly told in a few flash back scenes same for Flash.
 
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