Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 3

[Zarex]

Saying "they do this all the time in the comics!" is never a good excuse for filmmakers not doing the bare minimum to properly maintain continuity across 9 films. Comic readers will swallow anything.

Elseworld tales are fine in a monthly comic or weekly TV show, but aren't a great fit for an ongoing film series. Don't sell this as the last Jackman Wolverine story while also saying the handsome, tall Australian on-screen is a different character than the guy we've been following since 2000. If you want to tell an Elseworld tale RECAST THE LEAD ACTOR!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

done supporting FOX MARVEL movies until X-Men is completely rebooted may Logan crash & burn at the Box Office

Honestly, they probably won't so much contradict anything from the old films so much as just not mention events.

They bring up Liberty Island & Wolverine being a Cage fighter


Don't like where this headed I'm out for a few hours

 

[Infinity9999x]

Saying "they do this all the time in the comics!" is never a good excuse for filmmakers not doing the bare minimum to properly maintain continuity across 9 films. Comic readers will swallow anything.

Elseworld tales are fine in a monthly comic or weekly TV show, but aren't a great fit for an ongoing film series. Don't sell this as the last Jackman Wolverine story while also saying the handsome, tall Australian on-screen is a different character than the guy we've been following since 2000. If you want to tell an Elseworld tale RECAST THE LEAD ACTOR!

Or...just accept it's a loose continuity like the comics. Or like that other small film series, what was it...oh yeah James Bond. They do that whole loose continuity thing and people seem to be able to digest that just fine. It's a fairly popular series from what I hear.

 

[Zarex]

Or...just accept it's a loose continuity like the comics. Or like that other small film series, what was it...oh yeah James Bond. They do that whole loose continuity thing and people seem to be able to digest that just fine. It's a fairly popular series from what I hear.

The fairly popular Mendes films HAVE maintained continuity through four films. And every time the lead actor changed the Bond series has been rebooted. The Bond films also tend to be stand alone, unlike the FOX-Men series which constantly reference prior events in the series.

Other than that your point totally makes sense.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The fairly popular Mendes films HAVE maintained continuity through four films. And every time the lead actor changed the Bond series has been rebooted. The Bond films also tend to be stand alone, unlike the FOX-Men series which constantly reference prior events in the series.

Other than that your point totally makes sense.

Yeah, for four films, and then they'll probably continue on in a loose continuity, as they always have. The first three x-films followed continuity more or less, and then things started getting a bit wonky, which is pretty normal. I think it gets hard to do after that.

If past events have no bearing on this story, then continuity doesn't matter. What does is the overall story.

Honestly, they probably won't so much contradict anything from the old films so much as just not mention events.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The only time the Bond films ever rebooted was when Daniel Craig was cast for Casino Royale. Before then, from Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan, it was all one man operating on a sliding timescale.

Not true they care about making a profitable film over making it good. You think FoX cared about winning one single award for Deadpool they just hoped it turn a small profit. We're dealing with a studio who doesn't know any of these characters other than Wolverine (I guess they know him a little)

Well, duh. But continuity =/= profits. Quality however, goes a long way and since we're coming up to a 10th instalment in the franchise that says something.

Then they should adapt something else. They didn't create X-Men so if they don't want fan reactions they should've bought a different IP.

Simon Kinberg, LSD, & Singer shouldn't tell people how it's all connected in every interview etc etc

And going against what your CORE fanbase actually wants release after release resulted in reduced box office returns which waa the only thing FoX cared about in the first place.

Let's just call a spade a spade it is what it is.

Logan won't be effected because this is Jackman's swan song and everyone is going anyways.

They've made 9 films that have done, at the very least, pretty good business for them and Deadpool is one of the most profitable films of all time. Clearly they're doing something right, probably because they don't cater exclusively to the hardcore fanboys.

 

[NotNickFury]

Then why post about it?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Also wasnt X23 meant to be some type of Wolverine replacement ? Meaning she could show up in future films via time travel even as an older version ? FOX can keep their 10 year time skips & bad planning if they dont give a damn why should I as a fan give a damn ? Crash & burn FOX crash & burn

 

[GuestStar2004]

& with this news outside of Deadpool I am done supporting FOX MARVEL movies until X-Men is completely rebooted may Logan crash & burn at the Box Office

Logan won't crash and burn

 

[2kt09]

Also wasnt X23 meant to be some type of Wolverine replacement ?

She was meant to be her own character to pander to kids that liked Wolverine.
There have been plenty of Wolverine "replacements" (she only took the costume & name in 2015) in the same way that there are so many Spidey heroes or that Batman Inc. is a thing, although with Wolverine it's one effed up family tree.

Meaning she could show up in future films via time travel even as an older version ?

That seems to be anyone's guess with Cable coming soon.

 

[kguillou]

I think some of you may be getting your hopes up about X-23 being the next star in this franchise. I'm not getting the vibe that they're setting up Dafne to be Jackman's replacement, I think she's going to be a very important part to this story and most likely will be a standout, but I don't picture them having Dafne suit up in black leather to fight bad guys and trade banter with Deadpool in future films. I think this "X23" is a done in one character.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Soo ... Logan is not even in the same universe.
I mean, not surprising. Setting it in 2029, with only 5 years after DoFP, and all mutants suddenly gone for those 5 years, pretty much said it that they are doing it its own thing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Also wasnt X23 meant to be some type of Wolverine replacement ?

That was more an assumption based on very little.

 

[Sithborg]

Good lord. We are looking at what sounds like could potentially be rivaling The Dark Knight in terms of cinematic quality, and people are raging about continuity?

Jesus H Crackers

I hate the X-forums.

 

[Xrated48]

I think some of you may be getting your hopes up about X-23 being the next star in this franchise. I'm not getting the vibe that they're setting up Dafne to be Jackman's replacement, I think she's going to be a very important part to this story and most likely will be a standout, but I don't picture them having Dafne suit up in black leather and trading banter with Deadpool in future films. I think this "X23" is a done in one character.

I don't think she will be with Deadpool but I believe they will give her a solo film sometime in the next few years if Logan is successful.

 

[Zarex]

The only time the Bond films ever rebooted was when Daniel Craig was cast for Casino Royale. Before then, from Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan, it was all one man operating on a sliding timescale.

Messers Connery, Moore & Dalton all played very different people with little to no relation to the fellows that portrayed Jimmy before them. It's not so much loose continuity as it is no continuity for the Bond series.

They've made 9 films that have done, at the very least, pretty good business for them and Deadpool is one of the most profitable films of all time. Clearly they're doing something right, probably because they don't cater exclusively to the hardcore fanboys.

They've done some things right, but quite a bit wrong. It's ok to point those things out.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think some of you may be getting your hopes up about X-23 being the next star in this franchise. I'm not getting the vibe that they're setting up Dafne to be Jackman's replacement, I think she's going to be a very important part to this story and most likely will be a standout, but I don't picture them having Dafne suit up in black leather to fight bad guys and trade banter with Deadpool in future films. I think this "X23" is a done in one character.

Bryan said he suggested to FOX she could be added to X-Force but thats not confirmation that this will actually happen.

If she goes down well in Logan then they may think about what else they can do with her.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Soo ... Logan is not even in the same universe.

i don't think it was meant to be literally, hugh didn't say its not he just said its almost like it isn't, mangold set it in a place he could do what he wanted with very few ties to the movies and FOX let them.

Mangold has already acknowledged that DOFP was set in 2023 so thats why he set it later then that, he ain't saying its not in the same universe, they just wanted a blank slate to do something different

 

[GuestStar2004]

Anything else they do with X23 can now not happen in the X-Men movie universe since shes not connected to any other universe they are screwing themselves

i think people are over thinking what hugh said, which is no surprise since everyone takes everything out of proportion.

 

[2kt09]

James Bond is a terrible comparison.

I just know they beat The Flash to the punch.

 

[Xrated48]

Anything else they do with X23 can now not happen in the X-Men movie universe since shes not connected to any other universe they are screwing themselves

How is X-23 not in the same universe exactly?

 

[GuestStar2004]

As i said mangold has already said he set it in 2029 because he felt he had to put distance between it and DOFP so he had freedom to do whatever he wanted and if it wasn't in the same universe he wouldn't need to do that.

BUT saying that the impression i get is this isn't a shared vision for other films, this is mangolds vision, its a standalone story set in a more grounded world that you probably shouldn't expect other OT characters to pop up because it sounds like they want to leave ties at the door, excluding Xavier apparently.

Its a story about an elderly legend but with X-Men characters.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Mangold has already acknowledged that DOFP was set in 2023

Actually no. Mangold didn't even bother with DoFP. He wasn't even sure when exactly DoFP is set.

“It’s year 2029 when the movie takes place,” said Mangold. “There’s an epilogue scene in ‘Days of Future Past’ which is 2024, or 2023, something like that. I just wanted to get far enough past. My goal was real simple: it was to pick a time where I had enough elbow room that I was clear of existing entanglements."

http://www.cbr.com/james-mangold-reveals-exactly-when-logan-takes-place/

Basically, he didn't knew if it was 5 or 6 years since DoFP. Which confirms that they didn't have a talk exactly about "Let's set it 5 years since DoFP" or 6. He just wanted a time when he isn't bothered with the other movies.
And Jackman pretty much confirmed that now saying that

"[Following the timelines] becomes a chess game that you try to serve, which actually doesn't help to tell a story and it's sort of been a bit all over the place."

And considering the OLD MAN LOGAN comic is its own universe...

 

[GuestStar2004]

Actually no. Mangold didn't even bother with DoFP. He wasn't even sure when exactly DoFP is set.

“It’s year 2029 when the movie takes place,” said Mangold. “There’s an epilogue scene in ‘Days of Future Past’ which is 2024, or 2023, something like that. I just wanted to get far enough past. My goal was real simple: it was to pick a time where I had enough elbow room that I was clear of existing entanglements."

http://www.cbr.com/james-mangold-reveals-exactly-when-logan-takes-place/

Basically, he didn't knew if it was 5 or 6 years since DoFP. Which confirms that they didn't have a talk exactly about "Let's set it 5 years since DoFP" or 6. He just wanted a time when he isn't bothered with the other movies.
And Jackman pretty much confirmed that now saying that

"[Following the timelines] becomes a chess game that you try to serve, which actually doesn't help to tell a story and it's sort of been a bit all over the place."

And considering the OLD MAN LOGAN comic is its own universe...

But as you just quoted

“There’s an epilogue scene in ‘Days of Future Past’ which is 2024, or 2023, something like that. I just wanted to get far enough past. My goal was real simple: it was to pick a time where I had enough elbow room that I was clear of existing entanglements."

He acknowledged that he set it later because he wanted a clear slate

 

[BlueLanternKal]

All continuity bs aside my POV is this:

If Logan doesn't die in this Hugh retires as Wolverine. But not as Logan. He sticks around on the sidelines coaching while we watch Laura take up the mantle. That way Hugh can comeback whenever he wants and we can see how his relationship with Laura develops over time. And X-23 could join the X-Men.