Logan LOGAN - User Review and Reactions Thread (Spoilers)

[Elayis]

Haven’t gotten a chance to review the film since seeing it Thursday night (been busying with Horizon Zero Dawn).

To sum it up, I think the movie tried too hard to be “serious” and “real” without actually doing the necessary dramatic work. Sure, the superficial things have changed (more violence, vulgar language, less obvious VFX), but the substance, the core of the story isn’t much different than other comic book movies. Parts of the film also felt like a retread of The Wolverine (Logan being a loner, loss of healing powers).

X-23 was mostly well done, but her arc and interaction with Wolverine left a lot to be desired. And Caliban wasn’t fleshed out enough for this being his sole appearance. Especially with this movie having such a small cast. The family in the 2nd act seemed like they were supposed to serve some thematic purpose, but what was it? I still don’t understand what their point was in the story.

And what is it about comic book movies and horrible villains? Pierce was the least bad, but he didn’t have much of a part. The Reavers, X-24 and Grant’s character (don’t recall his name) were all terrible.

Ultimately, I think Mangold was the wrong choice for this franchise. He doesn’t seem to understand who Wolverine is or what makes a good cbm.

My biggest issue, though, is that it simply wasn’t fun to watch. None of the action or spectacle was exciting, and the dramatic moments weren’t well written or deep enough to care about. As much as I love Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart in these roles, I just shrugged when the died. The movie didn’t do enough to make me care. They also didn’t feel like their respective characters, either; the characterization was off. Laura calling Logan “Daddy” was groan inducing. Talk about an unearned moment.

I was also hoping for something more from the film, something bigger. For it being set in 2029, it needed more sci-fi tropes. Given that it was inspired by Old Man Logan, i was expecting a post-apocalyptic setting. And for it being Wolverine and Xavier’s last movie, I was hoping for an inclusion from other X-members. This didn’t feel like much of a send-off (though I suppose that was DoFP’s job).

It’s not a bad movie, it just gets too many things wrong for me to like it. It’s better than The Wolverine, but not by much. 7/10

 

[Ivan Drago]

I completely disagree about Mangold not understanding Wolverine. I always thought he understood him far better than Singer ever did.

The Wolverine (2013) was the first time I truly felt like they nailed the character.

 

[Gu3ree]

I assumed that most of the events such as the Statue of Liberty battle and the events of X2 happened in the new timeline, but most of what happened in X-Men: The Last Stand was all erased.

If Logan did wake up at Charles's School for the Gifted Youngsters in the new timeline, then we can of course assume that the most of the beginning (X-Men 1 and X2) mostly happened in some way or another. Logan probably did meet Rogue the same way, got attacked by Sabertooth. Charles located Logan that way, the only difference is that Charles had met Logan in the 1970s.

I have no idea about the samurai sword though.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He remembers the events of Nagasaki and The Wolverine. It's not unreasonable to think that he would visit Japan at some point after waking up in the new timeline.

 

[Leenie]

Potential Oscar buzz starting already?

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[righthooksrus86]

I completely disagree about Mangold not understanding Wolverine. I always thought he understood him far better than Singer ever did.

The Wolverine (2013) was the first time I truly felt like they nailed the character.

Yup I agree, The Wolverine had Logan at his gruffest, and meanest ever, his voice even reminded me a bit of Wolverine in the 90's cartoon at times. Logan nailed it too. Loved both movies, the kid in me was happy as hell after watching them.

 

[Leenie]

When it comes to The Wolverine, I thought the movie started out really strong, continued to be good, and then struggled at the finishline in the third act.

One of my gut reactions upon seeing the movie for the first time? "Man, you could tell the director REALLY wanted to make this R-rated."

Well, I'm glad that Mangold was given that R-rated movie to work with, finally.

 

[righthooksrus86]

When it comes to The Wolverine, I thought the movie started out really strong, continued to be good, and then struggled at the finishline in the third act.

One of my gut reactions upon seeing the movie for the first time? "Man, you could tell the director REALLY wanted to make this R-rated."

Well, I'm glad that Mangold was given that R-rated movie to work with, finally.

Yea Im thinking if it was rated R and maybe lose the Robot Silver Samurai thing, The Wolverine would've been just as good as Logan.

 

[BlackFox]

I completely disagree about Mangold not understanding Wolverine. I always thought he understood him far better than Singer ever did.

The Wolverine (2013) was the first time I truly felt like they nailed the character.

Agreed, Magold just cares more about making a good movie first and the Comic book trimmings come second but also he and Hugh together got underneath the character more than anyone else to understand what makes Logan a compelling and complex character to watch.

With TW and Logan he's produced a nice little double package of movies on Wolverine that work both as standalone stories or that feed into other X-Men stories. Like a mini issue comic run.

With Logan especially we have got something that is very different from other CBM's that we might not see for a while again.

 

[harlequinade]

Potential Oscar buzz starting already?

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Yey! Now they just need to keep it going!

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

To sum it up, I think the movie tried too hard to be “serious” and “real” without actually doing the necessary dramatic work.

I agree with this part.

There's a lot of this movie showing Wolverine in pain, and characters being sad, but it didn't always translate to very emotionally interesting conflicts or decisions.

I felt the same about The Wolverine.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Amazing movie, 10/10.
It's the proof that you can make a violent and deep superhero movie...honestly, like i thought it could.

My only problem, but it's totally acceptable in the movie, is the Adamantium bullet.
The last time i checked, Adamantium cannot cut Adamantium, which means that a Adamantium bullet can't penetrate Adamantium.
If that was the case, Wolverine would have been killed a long time ago, all you needed would be a Adamantium bullets or an Adamantium knife.

 

[Legion]

Amazing movie, 10/10.
It's the proof that you can make a violent and deep superhero movie...honestly, like i thought it could.

My only problem, but it's totally acceptable in the movie, is the Adamantium bullet.
The last time i checked, Adamantium cannot cut Adamantium, which means that a Adamantium bullet can't penetrate Adamantium.
If that was the case, Wolverine would have been killed a long time ago, all you needed would be a Adamantium bullets or an Adamantium knife.

It's part of the film continuity though going back to origns. Adamantium is supposed to be rare so there aren't too many bullets around. The wielder of the knife would have to have considerable strength.

 

[Mjölnir]

Amazing movie, 10/10.
It's the proof that you can make a violent and deep superhero movie...honestly, like i thought it could.

My only problem, but it's totally acceptable in the movie, is the Adamantium bullet.
The last time i checked, Adamantium cannot cut Adamantium, which means that a Adamantium bullet can't penetrate Adamantium.
If that was the case, Wolverine would have been killed a long time ago, all you needed would be a Adamantium bullets or an Adamantium knife.

It's also highly questionable why the adamantium bullet would kill Wolverine or X-24. The healing factor should just keep going and replace the parts of the skull that's missing with bone again. And if the brain can't be regenerated (it definitely can in the comics) then you could kill Wolverine by just concussing his brain enough, which means that it's not that hard to kill him at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah you're right about developing Laura, as I said, I liked that scene at night where Logan is talking to Laura while the kids are at the campfire. It was also cool to see Laura interact with the other kids, but for some reason, on my 2nd viewing, the scenes in the woods just didn't seem as interesting. Maybe it'll change on my 3rd viewing lol

On my 2nd viewing I actually liked those scenes even more. What we found out about Laura previously was from other people, the scenes at the safe house are the first time we get to know Laura's feelings and we get inside her head a little. It just made me like the character and Dafne's performance more.

I agree. Logan was dying at this point, and it seemed like he was leaving nothing behind. Here were these kids who kind of idolized him...even if it was from stories he rejected. One of them even had a Wolverine toy. I think it showed that he left an impression, and in the end, a legacy through these kids.

Yep, he found one last thing to fight for, and was willing to risk it all for Laura and her friends

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm so happy this movie exists.

But I was not ok after it lol.

 

[FunkMiller]

The bleakest comic book movie ever made. And all the better for it.

9/10.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

It's part of the film continuity though going back to origns. Adamantium is supposed to be rare so there aren't too many bullets around. The wielder of the knife would have to have considerable strength.

But Logan is not set in same universe as Origins or any other X-Men movie.
Logan is set in an alternative universe.
It is not set in the Earth-807128 (Old Man Logan) either.

Even so, like i said, Adamantium cannot penetrate Adamantium.
A bullet would just bounce off Logan's skull.
Unless in that universe, Adamantium can cut Adamantium, which is fine.

It's also highly questionable why the adamantium bullet would kill Wolverine or X-24. The healing factor should just keep going and replace the parts of the skull that's missing with bone again. And if the brain can't be regenerated (it definitely can in the comics) then you could kill Wolverine by just concussing his brain enough, which means that it's not that hard to kill him at all.

Wolverine's healing factor is not automatic like Hulk's.
A bullet would be fast enough to kill him without the healing factor working, as long as Adamantium could kill him.

Sure, Hulk's is not really a person, Hulk is a physical manifestation of repressed emotions, but still, it's bounded by physical laws and as such has a healing factor as well.

 

[danoyse]

Well, Mangold just broke me...

https://***********/mang0ld/status/839888687227789312

I was thinking about that scene from The Wolverine after I saw Logan, but I hadn't thought of that interpretation before.

 

[danoyse]

It's also highly questionable why the adamantium bullet would kill Wolverine or X-24. The healing factor should just keep going and replace the parts of the skull that's missing with bone again. And if the brain can't be regenerated (it definitely can in the comics) then you could kill Wolverine by just concussing his brain enough, which means that it's not that hard to kill him at all.

After the farm rampage they needed to give X-24 medication so he would heal completely. He wasn't able to do it on his own. There was no one there to do that after he was shot, so this time it killed him.

The bullet would have killed Wolverine in this movie because he was already dying. Years ago, no. But now? Definitely.

 

[Bren]

X-24 having an.... imperfect healing is my take as well. However, at his prime, do we know how Wolverine would have healed an eye? Or how quickly? Isn't it possible the serum boosted X24's healing because they were 'on the clock' and couldn't wait for the normal speed?

 

[danoyse]

X-24 having an.... imperfect healing is my take as well. However, at his prime, do we know how Wolverine would have healed an eye? Or how quickly? Isn't it possible the serum boosted X24's healing because they were 'on the clock' and couldn't wait for the normal speed?

Everyone was panicking when he went after the hired thugs on the farm. It wasn't that they were trying to protect those idiots, but it's more likely they worried that X-24 would go into a beserker rage and they wouldn't be able to get control of him again.

I don't think X-24 was 100% "ready" yet. They were just using him because the kids escaped and they needed to get them back. And it was personal for Rice, since Wolverine killed his father.

 

[Breogan]

It's also highly questionable why the adamantium bullet would kill Wolverine or X-24. The healing factor should just keep going and replace the parts of the skull that's missing with bone again. And if the brain can't be regenerated (it definitely can in the comics) then you could kill Wolverine by just concussing his brain enough, which means that it's not that hard to kill him at all.

I imagine the implication is while a regular claw strike wouldn't penetrate, the bullet speed impact has the ability to shatter the skull.
As far as regenerating the brain. Coming back from a concussion, or even stabbing through the eyes works cause the brain is still inside the skull intact telling it to heal.
While opening up half his skull his brains splatted and spilled out everywhere, is to far gone.

 

[LoganPool]

Well, Mangold just broke me...

https://***********/mang0ld/status/839888687227789312

I was thinking about that scene from The Wolverine after I saw Logan, but I hadn't thought of that interpretation before.

I mentioned this in the spoiler thread like 4 days ago!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, Mangold just broke me...

https://***********/mang0ld/status/839888687227789312

I was thinking about that scene from The Wolverine after I saw Logan, but I hadn't thought of that interpretation before.

Someone else actually pointed out the same thing on this board. I didn't make the connection personally, but it's a great touch by Mangold.

Everyone was panicking when he went after the hired thugs on the form. It wasn't that they were trying to protect those idiots, but it's more likely they worried that X-24 would go into a beserker rage and they wouldn't be able to get control of him again.

I don't think X-24 was 100% "ready" yet. They were just using him because the kids escaped and they needed to get them back. And it was personal for Rice, since Wolverine killed his father.

Rice explains after the farm scene that X24 is a new born and that the serum would help him heal quicker. He was definitely an imperfect clone. Rice said as much about Laura and the other kids at the end, so X24 was no different.