"Make America Great Again"the F'dup Chapters in American History (The Trump Years) - Part 2

[The Incredible Hulk]

Only some of the time. Otherwise we'd all be a lot more Neanderthal.

 

[samsnee]

It's like I'm watching a Naked Gun movie.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/president-trump-bestows-deeply-uncomfortable-handshake-1792226387

“What are they saying?” Trump asked Abe about 20 seconds into the handshake, referring to photographers who were speaking Japanese.

“Please look at me,” the Prime Minister translated. Trump appeared to take the translation literally, and began to stare at the Prime Minister, refusing to break eye contact with him even when he used his other hand to point at the cameras, where Trump was supposed to be looking.

 

[chamber-music]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15O2ZN

the "wall" will cost $21.6 bil and take 3.5 years to build.

What about the maintenance costs after it is built?

ppp poll says 51% of trump supporters feel he should be able to overturn judges rulings. (33% no, 16% not sure)

my goodness...what the f ck is wrong with these people?

I bet many of these people were the same ones that went on about Obama being a oppressive tyrant endlessly the last eight years as well.

I find many people only care about the law when it backs things they agree with.

 

[Jason Kane]

Basically it's the mindset of pansy ass hippie hipsters that care about the planet is bad, and being salt of the earth and hard workin' and God fearin' is good. Trump ran with that and it paid off.

Yamchas. Yamchas everywhere

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15O2ZN

the "wall" will cost $21.6 bil and take 3.5 years to build.

I'd really like to know how they came up with the time estimate, because 3.5 years means they'd have to build 1 mile of wall per day.

 

[samsnee]

Make a moat, not a wall. Easier to dig than build. Throw in some alligators and sharks, charge people to watch them fight, and it pays for itself.

 

[Legendver2]

Well, this is the one thing Trump had over his opponents. In the face of criticism, he fought back. He didn't go, "oh, I'm so sorry... I didn't mean that.." Instead, he doubled down on his outlandish positions. That was seen as a sign of strength to the pack animal voter, and they said, "hey this guy isn't so smart maybe, but he's a fighter, and that's who I want."

He's a fighter of sorts, but too bad he's not fighting for them.

I'd really like to know how they came up with the time estimate, because 3.5 years means they'd have to build 1 mile of wall per day.

 

[Sithborg]

Remember, some of the wall will be "invisible".

Seriously, they talked about portions being sensors.

 

[Dr Lee]

Looks like Trump is backing down...'WH sources' telling Sky News that Trump won't be taking the case to the supreme court and may either re-write the EO or issue a whole new one

 

[Pokkle]

From Russia with love:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier

For the first time, US investigators say they have corroborated some of the communications detailed in a 35-page dossier compiled by a former British intelligence agent, multiple current and former US law enforcement and intelligence officials tell CNN. As CNN first reported, then-President-elect Donald Trump and President Barack Obama were briefed on the existence of the dossier prior to Trump's inauguration.

None of the newly learned information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. Rather it relates to conversations between foreign nationals. The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals. Sources would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions due to the classified nature of US intelligence collection programs.
But the intercepts do confirm that some of the conversations described in the dossier took place between the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier, according to the officials. CNN has not confirmed whether any content relates to then-candidate Trump.
The corroboration, based on intercepted communications, has given US intelligence and law enforcement "greater confidence" in the credibility of some aspects of the dossier as they continue to actively investigate its contents, these sources say.

 

[godisawesome]

He's a fighter of sorts, but too bad he's not fighting for them.

The "fighting politician" can honestly afford to take on complaints, accusations, and better reasoned arguments; their strength lies in controlling they narrative and perception of their power base. Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt were both fighting politicians, but when you actually study them you can see that a decent number of their policies and politics don't match the narrative they spread; Jackson really was abusing his power and probably destroying the economy, and Teddy the "Trustbreaker" was actually angry at Taft for daring to enforce the anti-trust laws to the maximum instead of as cautiously as he did. As long as action is seen by the base, the perception will be that the fighter is doing what you elected him to do.

The only thing they can't afford is to be seen as ineffective in their base's eyes.

And that's why anti-Trump forces need to change their dialogue when attacking him, and seize on any signs of weakness and hammer at them, and make their name in ridiculing him as a fighter and not as a politician. I think a Wall is stupid and morally wrong, but you know how I phrase it when I speak to my friends or my Trump supporting students (when it's appropriate to do so)? "A wall is useless! It's a waste of money that won't work! He wants to waste our money on a glorified publicity stunt!" How about the travel ban, which I also think is morally wrong? "What a waste of taxpayer time and energy. He could have done this in half the time with five times the success by using the system in place. And he's doing all this so he keep out the people who don't blow up stuff!?!? The man's a failure at security." His pick of Devos, who I as a teacher oppose because charter schools are far too free to fail? "This was his best choice?!? He couldn't find someone with a brain? Pathetic!"

Yeah, it's not addressing the policy issues, since you're leaving the room for someone to still hold onto Islamophobia and the anarchic view of Washington, but I really feel like tackling this line of argument will at least open up a dialogue with the pro-Trump base because it draws parallels to their own feelings and undercuts Trump's perception as their champion. If they're attracted to strength, than it also shows the aggression they look for. "It's the economy, stupid" needs to be the kind of attitude taken by Democrats and Republicans who wish to oppose Trump.

Someone needs to change Trump's narrative; attack his business failures and rant against them, so that when you tie in his lack of ethics, it reads like an impotent and cowardly move rather than a fighting one. We know he's a bully, but you need to show he's a pathetic one; we know he's anti-intellectual, but he needs to be portrayed as an incompetent idiot; we know he's an a-hole, but he needs to be exposed as a petulant little *****.

PS- This is all coming from someone who didn't vote for a Democrat until I was forced to choose between Trump and Clinton.

 

[terry78]

Basically you have to come at them with financial facts and figures as opposed to trying to appeal to their better nature.

 

[Marvolo]

Looks like Trump is backing down...'WH sources' telling Sky News that Trump won't be taking the case to the supreme court and may either re-write the EO or issue a whole new one

The GOP must have had a talk with Donald.

 

[Legendver2]

The GOP must have had a talk with Donald.

He has been "counseled".

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Trump tweeted this pic

When i looked at it, the first thing that came to mind was...

I guess he has a new nickname....Mutley

 

[Schlosser85]

So Russia is considering handing over Snowden as a "gift", supposedly.
Because if anyone is qualified to hang someone for treason...it's Trump.

Personally really hoping this is either BS or Snowden can get smuggled out somewhere.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The "fighting politician" can honestly afford to take on complaints, accusations, and better reasoned arguments; their strength lies in controlling they narrative and perception of their power base. Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt were both fighting politicians, but when you actually study them you can see that a decent number of their policies and politics don't match the narrative they spread; Jackson really was abusing his power and probably destroying the economy, and Teddy the "Trustbreaker" was actually angry at Taft for daring to enforce the anti-trust laws to the maximum instead of as cautiously as he did. As long as action is seen by the base, the perception will be that the fighter is doing what you elected him to do.

The only thing they can't afford is to be seen as ineffective in their base's eyes.

And that's why anti-Trump forces need to change their dialogue when attacking him, and seize on any signs of weakness and hammer at them, and make their name in ridiculing him as a fighter and not as a politician. I think a Wall is stupid and morally wrong, but you know how I phrase it when I speak to my friends or my Trump supporting students (when it's appropriate to do so)? "A wall is useless! It's a waste of money that won't work! He wants to waste our money on a glorified publicity stunt!" How about the travel ban, which I also think is morally wrong? "What a waste of taxpayer time and energy. He could have done this in half the time with five times the success by using the system in place. And he's doing all this so he keep out the people who don't blow up stuff!?!? The man's a failure at security." His pick of Devos, who I as a teacher oppose because charter schools are far too free to fail? "This was his best choice?!? He couldn't find someone with a brain? Pathetic!"

Yeah, it's not addressing the policy issues, since you're leaving the room for someone to still hold onto Islamophobia and the anarchic view of Washington, but I really feel like tackling this line of argument will at least open up a dialogue with the pro-Trump base because it draws parallels to their own feelings and undercuts Trump's perception as their champion. If they're attracted to strength, than it also shows the aggression they look for. "It's the economy, stupid" needs to be the kind of attitude taken by Democrats and Republicans who wish to oppose Trump.

Someone needs to change Trump's narrative; attack his business failures and rant against them, so that when you tie in his lack of ethics, it reads like an impotent and cowardly move rather than a fighting one. We know he's a bully, but you need to show he's a pathetic one; we know he's anti-intellectual, but he needs to be portrayed as an incompetent idiot; we know he's an a-hole, but he needs to be exposed as a petulant little *****.

PS- This is all coming from someone who didn't vote for a Democrat until I was forced to choose between Trump and Clinton.

Yeah, I think that a lot of the fight against Trump is flawed because it's not going to convince those who are already backing him to change their minds. It's like with Sessions. They focused on race, but unfortuantely that base couldn't care less if he's allegedly racist. Such allegations mean nothing to them anymore. The major things like his pro-torture stance never got capitalized on. If they had made a big deal out of that, they could have shown McCain and the others who spoke out against torture to be complete hypocrites.

 

[Dr Lee]

From Russia with love:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier

Nothing looking like a smoking gun yet... but the fact that they've been able to find proof of some of the smaller aspects of the Dossier should put more credibility on the rest of it....

 

[djsunyc]

so b2b weekends for the twitler to play golf. america is a disaster folks...but 36 holes is 36 holes.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Why President Trump’s Misleading Image of American Crime Matters

The conservative American Enterprise Institute crunched the numbers and found that gun deaths, when compared against population, makes 2015 the second safest year in history for police.

"The danger is, as you continue to create this dark view of society," John Jay College of Criminal Justice professor Dennis Jay Kenney said, "it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy."

Fordham Law Professor John Pfaff, who teaches criminal law, said Trump misses important context by focusing on large year-over increases instead of historic trends.

"Murders in 2015 experienced their largest single year increase in nearly a half a century," Trump said Wednesday, speaking to gathered law enforcement officials.

That's because the American homicide rate is near its lowest point in history after being cut in half from its early peak in the 1990's, Pfaff said.

Pfaff said the statistics Trump is citing are notable and important — "we don't want to ignore that, we want to pay attention" — but noted that they are most valuable in historical context.

"You never want to extrapolate from one bad year. That's leads to bad policy," he said.

 

[Marvolo]

So Russia is considering handing over Snowden as a "gift", supposedly.
Because if anyone is qualified to hang someone for treason...it's Trump.

Personally really hoping this is either BS or Snowden can get smuggled out somewhere.

I wonder what Putin wants in return?

Snowden had to know this was coming. Russia was always going to play this card it was just a matter of waiting for the opportune moment. If he is smart and has dependable allies he might be able to escape to another country. And youre right, if Snowden is handed over in the next four years the GOP and Trump will nail him to the wall and use him for a dart board just to make an example of him.

 

[Sawyer]

Guess it's a good thing Goldman Sachs didn't win, eh Eddie? Eh? Ehh???

 

[terry78]

Snowden was always their trump card, no pun intended. Just holding onto him until someone came into office they could use him as a bargaining chip with.

 

[Marvolo]

If Snowden has any dirt on Trump, Putin, or the GOP hope he uses it as leverage or leaks it. Even if it doesn't help him, it be funny if he released some massive dirt on Trump, Putin, or the GOP.

 

[KevanG]

If he has any brains then Snowden has backup plans for the info he doesn't want people to know. The whole 'If I disappear all this information goes to the press' thing.

The second he gets turned over to Trump and Co then all of a sudden the Times, CNN and a dozen other big news corps get surprise emails and links to torrents.