Man of Steel 2 News and Speculation - Part 1

[STARMAN]

It feels like we're getting a Supergirl movie first.

 

[flickchick85]

Probably because it's been announced, lol.

 

[STARMAN]

Probably because it's been announced, lol.

Probably. Lol.

But the studio has been reluctant with MOS 2 for a long while. Moving forward with Supergirl might be easier in their minds. You have a clean slate. Their plan for Superman seems more up in the air, partly because of the Cavill contract situation, partly because of the mixed response to Superman.

 

[misslane38]

No but you can do a Supergirl film (where Superman has a glorified cameo) and a Superman film and then do a team up film where they take on Brainiac.

I don't want a team up film. Full stop. I'm fine with him cameoing her story and her cameoing in his, but I don't want either one of their films to be a team up film. If it's a Superman film, it should be a Superman film. If it's a Supergirl film, it should be a Supergirl film. Brainiac is not a Supergirl villain. Superman should take on Brainiac in a film that features Superman as the primary protagonist and Supergirl as a limited supporting character.

 

[flickchick85]

Brainiac is not a Supergirl villain.

He didn't start out as one, but he certainly is these days. Not exclusively, of course, but he does appear as the villain in Supergirl comics where Superman is not involved. And of course, the more recent incarnations of the Kandor storyline make him a rather personal boogeyman for her. And he's also the direct ancestor of her main love interest, so there's another personal connection. Doesn't diminish his long history with Superman of course, but he's a pretty big deal for Kara.

 

[Greenlite]

I'm hoping WB went to McQ and he's like "hey me and Henry got a super cool Brainiac story"

and WB either said "that's awesome, let's do a 2-part story starting with Supergirl vs Brainiac and bringing the finale back to Earth in MOS2"

or "that's great! let's use your story on Supergirl instead of MOS2" *tap dance

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I'm hoping WB went to McQ and he's like "hey me and Henry got a super cool Brainiac story"

and WB either said "that's awesome, let's do a 2-part story starting with Supergirl vs Brainiac and bringing the finale back to Earth in MOS2"

or "that's great! let's use your story on Supergirl instead of MOS2" *tap dance

I definitely don’t want a two part story.
That’s too risky and you could end up with build up to nothing.
An incomplete story.

Edit*
Nevermind I see now

 

[flickchick85]

or "that's great! let's use your story on Supergirl instead of MOS2" *tap dance

that would be savage.


...and also plausible.

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

 

[Willi Berg]

or "that's great! let's use your story on Supergirl instead of MOS2" *tap dance

that would be savage.


...and also plausible.

That would be cold.

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

I say keep it the way it is.

Let’s not lose our car keys.

 

[BH/HHH]

That could be cool. My two wishes: 1.) Don't make a Supergirl origin film without including Superman, and 2.) Don't tell a Brainiac story without including Supergirl and her unique POV on him. So that option would fulfill them both quite nicely.

I want both those options too. She really adds something to the Brainiac storyline that was missing in prior comic attempts.

I don't want a team up film. Full stop. I'm fine with him cameoing her story and her cameoing in his, but I don't want either one of their films to be a team up film. If it's a Superman film, it should be a Superman film. If it's a Supergirl film, it should be a Supergirl film. Brainiac is not a Supergirl villain. Superman should take on Brainiac in a film that features Superman as the primary protagonist and Supergirl as a limited supporting character.

No LOD, no super cousins teaming up. Jeez you don’t seem to want to have any fun with these characaters

Superman Unbound balanced the two in a film together really bloody well.

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

I honestly think you just want attention. You constantly deny it yet you post crap like this continually

 

[flickchick85]

maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQI0E1WCLMU

 

[Astro13Zombie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQI0E1WCLMU

HerolEeyore

 

[Greenlite]

I definitely don’t want a two part story.
That’s too risky and you could end up with build up to nothing.
An incomplete story.

Edit*
Nevermind I see now

that would be savage.


...and also plausible.

Ya I bet my house it’s one of the options on the table

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

Come on dude, Henry promised us 2049at the latest

That would be cold.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit of the ice action in MOS2

 

[misslane38]

No LOD, no super cousins teaming up. Jeez you don’t seem to want to have any fun with these characaters

Right, because there are so very few other ways to have fun with these characters than LOD. Please. Just because I don't have the same taste in what's fun as you do, doesn't mean I don't want the characters have fun.

Also, please understand that when I say I don't want a team up film, I just mean I don't need or want a whole film where it's Kara and Clark as co-leads like Ant-Man and the Wasp only cousins instead of love interests. I'm fine with Kara interacting with him and even helping out in one fight. However, I don't want Kara's solo to be eclipsed by Clark's presence, and I don't want Superman's precious perhaps only sequel, that has a lot of rebuilding to do with him and his world in Metropolis, to be eclipsed by Kara's presence, especially after Batman invaded his first follow up film.

I also don't think we should have to wait so long for a Brainiac movie.

 

[Aurakles]

He didn't start out as one, but he certainly is these days. Not exclusively, of course, but he does appear as the villain in Supergirl comics where Superman is not involved. And of course, the more recent incarnations of the Kandor storyline make him a rather personal boogeyman for her. And he's also the direct ancestor of her main love interest, so there's another personal connection. Doesn't diminish his long history with Superman of course, but he's a pretty big deal for Kara.

Similar logic could be used to say the Joker is a Robin villain.
Most villains have fought multiple heroes through thier history, especially where sidekicks and spin off characters are concerned, but that doesn't mean they aren't a particular hero's villain.

I'd want Supergirl to have at most a small role in a Superman/Brainiac film, I worry about it simply becoming a Supergirl origin.

 

[flickchick85]

How is the Joker a more personal villain for Robin? At any rate, I wouldn’t mind the Joker being used in a hypothetical Robin film even though they’d need to explain Batman’s absence since they operate in the same city and Robin is more of a sidekick than Supergirl is. They’ve made Brainiac a pretty big deal to Kara since her comics resurrection, on a more personal level than he ever really was to Supes (let’s not forget on top of what’s already been mentioned, he also brought back her dead father as a Cyborg to torment and experiment on her), so at this point I think he counts as a “shared” villain between the two.

For the record, I wouldn’t necessarily want a Supergirl/Superman/Brainiac film to ALSO be Supergirl’s origin film. It could be done but might be too much to squeeze in. The hypothetical being discussed anyway was a team-up film AFTER the Supergirl origin movie and a possible Superman solo.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I'm hoping WB went to McQ and he's like "hey me and Henry got a super cool Brainiac story"

and WB either said "that's awesome, let's do a 2-part story starting with Supergirl vs Brainiac and bringing the finale back to Earth in MOS2"

or "that's great! let's use your story on Supergirl instead of MOS2" *tap dance

Probably, the conversation went more like this...

*McQ knocks on door*


WB Exec - 'Enter'


McQ - 'I have whilst making Fallout...'


WB Exec - 'Fallout ?'


McQ - 'You know, Fallout...the one which caused you grief with....'


WB E (interrupting) - 'Grief ? Remind me, there's been a few ?'


*McQ, put his finger above his top lip to simulate a 'tache*

WB E 'With you, same page. Carry On ? You've had an idea you say ?'

McQ 'About Superman, what to do with Henry, how we can carry on, take the positivity at the end of JL, despite all the re-shoots and Whedon, that smile and chin.'

WB E 'Cavill, remind me, whose he playing again ?'

McQ 'The big blue, Superman, red cape, hope, truth, fan of justice, you know, the Kent guy !'

WB E looking vague 'Rings a bell, tell me more'

McQ 'Well, we bring in Brainiac, Kara and widen the scope, make it happy, upbeat. Move away...distance the film from Martha'....

WB E 'Why did you say that name ?'

McQ 'Its their shared Mother's name. I thought everyone knew that...that's why it was referenced I presume...'

WB E 'Who knew. Ah well. Tell me more about this Cavill & Superman guy, who is he and what's the character ? Sounds like we could do a lot with him, positive, strong, man of depth ?'

McQ '...exactly, I'll leave my notes. Come back to me.'


Cut to the year 2025


*McQ - knocks on door of same Exec. 'What did you think ?'

WB E 'of what ?'

McQ - 'The outline I left for MoS follow up ?'

WB E 'Who ? What is MoS ?'


Door slammed.

 

[Aurakles]

How is the Joker a more personal villain for Robin? At any rate, I wouldn’t mind the Joker being used in a hypothetical Robin film even though they’d need to explain Batman’s absence since they operate in the same city and Robin is more of a sidekick than Supergirl is. They’ve made Brainiac a pretty big deal to Kara since her comics resurrection, on a more personal level than he ever really was to Supes (let’s not forget on top of what’s already been mentioned, he also brought back her dead father as a Cyborg to torment and experiment on her), so at this point I think he counts as a “shared” villain between the two.

For the record, I wouldn’t necessarily want a Supergirl/Superman/Brainiac film to ALSO be Supergirl’s origin film. It could be done but might be too much to squeeze in. The hypothetical being discussed anyway was a team-up film AFTER the Supergirl origin movie and a possible Superman solo.

I'm just saying it's a similar line of thinking, Robin has faced The Joker on his own, The Joker has done traumatic things to Robin. Despite this I think the vast amount of Batman/ Joker stories outweighs that.
Same reason that I don't count Luthor as a Steel villain or Dr Destiny as a Sandman villain.
Villains get passed around sometimes, but it takes a lot more than that to overcome decades of stories against a particular hero.

It's not a situation like Solomon Grundy, who has kind of switched from a Green Lantern to a Batman villain.

 

[flickchick85]

I’m not saying he’s “switched,” I’m saying he’s shared at this point. He’s a big part of Supergirl’s most well-known backstory and continues to be a very personal threat to her.

And I don’t think that’s a similar line of thinking at all to a villain who occasionally guests in other characters’ comics. Despite his longer history with Supes, his rivalry with Supergirl is arguably MORE personal than he and Supes ever were. I’m not saying he should exclusively be a Supergirl villain now, I’m saying excluding Supergirl from a Brainiac story would feel like a huge missed opportunity, IMO, especially if she’s already established in your universe.

 

[misslane38]

For the record, I wouldn’t necessarily want a Supergirl/Superman/Brainiac film to ALSO be Supergirl’s origin film. It could be done but might be too much to squeeze in. The hypothetical being discussed anyway was a team-up film AFTER the Supergirl origin movie and a possible Superman solo.

My concern with the various compromises and alternatives to get the balance and focus right for these stories and characters is that they require a lot of things align and a lot of waiting. If Brainiac was tackled only in a team up third movie, then that means waiting possibly 5 years or more. It also means banking on both the preceding Supergirl and Superman movies being successes. Think about how much you want Supergirl to tackle Brainiac, think about the rocky record of the DCEU, then imagine that either her or Superman's movie don't work, leaving the Brainaic confrontation and team up in limbo.

In addition, it gobbles up another Superman movie. If his preceding solo is planned to have a follow up, then his story won't be resolved. It would be pushed into the team up, then require yet another movie to possibly give closure to Superman's narrative arc. By then, Superman would have appeared in 3 solos (MoS, pre team up solo, and post team up solo), 3 team ups (BvS, JL, Brainiac), and perhaps more. That's about how many Captain America appearances there have or will be up to IW, and would likely be beyond 10 years since MOS. Imagining all this happening, especially with WB and Superman's stumbles in the past and current hesitance, is very hard for me. It seems too risky.

Furthermore, the level of importance placed on the emotional significance of Brainiac to Kara makes it so not doing it in her debut movie a missed opportunity. Meaning, if it's so essential, then surely it would be featured prominently in Krypton flashbacks and be something she refers to once on Earth. Dropping that for years until the team up would seem like a waste. And, the same logic that would suggest that an emotional link between characters (e.g. Kara/Brainiac) requires special focus also applies to the link between Kara and Kal. I can't imagine a Supergirl movie in which Superman isn't pretty heavily involved, because it wouldn't feel right for him to know about Kara and not want to spend loads of time exchanging information and skills from their respective worlds. Perhaps more concerning to me about a Brainiac focused team up, is that, like BvS, Superman would get the shaft. Even if it wasn't in terms of screentime, the emotional arc of the movie and protagonist by default would be Kara; it's her unfinished business.

I can't say I know how to solve these issues. I think it's all a lot easier if the Superman movie comes first; Kara could appear in a flashback giving her and Brainiac's back story, Superman could deal with his own story and Brainiac up to a point where Kara could be "released" in the climax, like WW in BvS, and there could be some team up and bonding toward the end, leading into Kara's solo. If it doesn't, and SG comes first, then a Shuri (BP) sized role in a Superman solo about Brainiac could work. Basically, I don't think it's a good idea to drag it out and waste two Super movies on other villains.

 

[Herolee10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQI0E1WCLMU

Come on dude, Henry promised us 2049at the latest

 

[Blood Spider]

Maybe it's time that we take out the word "upcoming" from this forum's name because it is becoming pretty clear that there is no upcoming superman film on the way.

Not surprisingly. Superman isn't and has not been a priority for WB/DC. He failed or underperformed multiple times, and cannot start a franchise.

In an certain way, his situation is similar to that of Hulk in the MCU - I know there are those issues with Universal, in his case - where DC/WB can move their universe forward exploring other characters from their rich library; it worked amazingly for Wonder Woman, and it can work with Aquaman, Shazam, The Flash, and, of course, with Batman, their cash cow. They don't need to make a Superman movie and lose money again; he hasn't been exactly profitable; I don't see a demand for his movies too, not counting his fans from comics.

The best for DC/WB is to use him as a supporting character. He may work better in this role.

 

[BH/HHH]

People keep saying things like Superman isn’t a priority and that WB aren’t interested in another Superman movie. Yet they’re in contract negotiations with their Superman. It’s just that both sides can’t agree a deal. How is that not wanting to make a Superman movie?

This is the issue with a lot of fans, they tend to think they know everything based on rumour and innuendo. They also think things are simple sometimes when they’re really not and also that because it’s something they want now that the studio should rush to do it now.