BvS MAN OF STEEL 2: Superman/Batman (2015)

[BH/HHH]

I have to agree with this. I can't believe they are already jumping into a Batman/Superman feature without either one being defined in this new cinematic universe.

I just hope this makes sense. At least Bruce Wayne can be brought to Metropolis through some sort of reconstruction project and maybe he'll work alongside Lex in the beginning.

Agreed

 

[Herolee10]

So here’s a more detailed list, I think, regarding the Pros and Cons of the next “Superman” film, based on what I know or heard of so far:

PROS:

• Superman and Batman will meet each other for the first time on the big screen in live action format.

• The film will further accelerate and expand the new DC Universe that Warner Bros. are trying to create, thus taking us one step closer to the inevitable Justice League film.

• Zack’s visuals and creative mind will be an asset when designing Batman’s costume and fighting style, along with how it’s shot, on the big screen.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

CONS:

• Superman is robbed, yet again in a way, of having his standalone sequel, as his franchise will now forever be marked by the presence of the Dark Knight.

• Zack Snyder is a big fan of “The Dark Knight Returns” story line and it’s no secret that Goyer loves writing for Batman, more so than he does for Superman.

• Superman doesn’t exactly have the best history of being portrayed properly whenever he’s had to share the same screen with Batman.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

• We won’t get as much time or emphasis placed on the stuff that needed to be addressed and resolved in this film from MOS.

• Superman needs help from Batman to supposedly take down Lex, a character that Superman should have been allowed to take on his own like how Batman was allowed to with the Joker.

• Potential triangle involving Lois could ruin both her character and the quality of the relationship that was built up so well between her and Clark in MOS.

• Christian Bale’s Batman is still pretty fresh in the minds of the public and it would have only been three years since “The Dark Knight Rises” when this film is released.

Well, that’s not exactly encouraging now, is it?lol

 

[smallville fan]

About the title, I think World’s Finest is unbeatable. People didn’t need ‘Superman’ in the title to know Man of Steel was about that character, the same with TDK. And it also sticks it to the Avengers. It’s totally defiant: “Oh, yeah, that movie has superheroes… but these superheroes are... THE WORLD'S FINEST!” It shows confidence. Go for it, WB.

This.

So here’s a more detailed list, I think, regarding the Pros and Cons of the next “Superman” film, based on what I know or heard of so far:

PROS:

• Superman and Batman will meet each other for the first time on the big screen in live action format.

• The film will further accelerate and expand the new DC Universe that Warner Bros. are trying to create, thus taking us one step closer to the inevitable Justice League film.

• Zack’s visuals and creative mind will be an asset when designing Batman’s costume and fighting style, along with how it’s shot, on the big screen.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

CONS:

• Superman is robbed, yet again in a way, of having his standalone sequel, as his franchise will now forever be marked by the presence of the Dark Knight.

• Zack Snyder is a big fan of “The Dark Knight Returns” story line and it’s no secret that Goyer loves writing for Batman, more so than he does for Superman.

• Superman doesn’t exactly have the best history of being portrayed properly whenever he’s had to share the same screen with Batman.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

• We won’t get as much time or emphasis placed on the stuff that needed to be addressed and resolved in this film from MOS.

• Superman needs help from Batman to supposedly take down Lex, a character that Superman should have been allowed to take on his own like how Batman was allowed to with the Joker.

• Potential triangle involving Lois could ruin both her character and the quality of the relationship that was built up so well between her and Clark in MOS.

• Christian Bale’s Batman is still pretty fresh in the minds of the public and it would have only been three years since “The Dark Knight Rises” when this film is released.

Well, that’s not exactly encouraging now, is it?lol

You always make the best points

 

[StraightSix]

So here’s a more detailed list, I think, regarding the Pros and Cons of the next “Superman” film, based on what I know or heard of so far:

PROS:

• Superman and Batman will meet each other for the first time on the big screen in live action format.

• The film will further accelerate and expand the new DC Universe that Warner Bros. are trying to create, thus taking us one step closer to the inevitable Justice League film.

• Zack’s visuals and creative mind will be an asset when designing Batman’s costume and fighting style, along with how it’s shot, on the big screen.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

CONS:

• Superman is robbed, yet again in a way, of having his standalone sequel, as his franchise will now forever be marked by the presence of the Dark Knight.

• Zack Snyder is a big fan of “The Dark Knight Returns” story line and it’s no secret that Goyer loves writing for Batman, more so than he does for Superman.

• Superman doesn’t exactly have the best history of being portrayed properly whenever he’s had to share the same screen with Batman.

• Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

• We won’t get as much time or emphasis placed on the stuff that needed to be addressed and resolved in this film from MOS.

• Superman needs help from Batman to supposedly take down Lex, a character that Superman should have been allowed to take on his own like how Batman was allowed to with the Joker.

• Potential triangle involving Lois could ruin both her character and the quality of the relationship that was built up so well between her and Clark in MOS.

• Christian Bale’s Batman is still pretty fresh in the minds of the public and it would have only been three years since “The Dark Knight Rises” when this film is released.

Well, that’s not exactly encouraging now, is it?lol

The bolded Con is the only one that really worries me.

 

[smallville fan]

The bolded Con is the only one that really worries me.

Nobody want another Amazing Spider-Man where the general audience hates on the new Batman like they did with Andrew Garfield.

 

[kalhawj]

We don't even know what the story will be like so all those cons don't mean anything unless its fact... At this point I'm very excited to see the details develope. I will hold judgement until more details is available.

 

[Herolee10]

Another potential con to worry about is that with quite a few superman fans agitated by this, with the further risk of alienating them more from the franchise if superman is portrayed in a bad light, this could digress Superman's image to the public by several years back once more.

 

[JangoNate]

Another potential con to worry about is that with quite a few superman fans agitated by this, with the further risk of alienating them more from the franchise if superman is portrayed in a bad light, this could digress Superman's image to the public by several years back once more.

Or, to be more optimistic, they're portrayal alongside Batman could be amazing and somehow make Superman look cooler. As already stated...we don't know. This could be the worse thing ever or the best thing ever...the same as every movie ever announced. As we wait for details, I'll remain ever hopeful of the latter.

 

[Herolee10]

Or, to be more optimistic, they're portrayal alongside Batman could be amazing and somehow make Superman looking cooler. As already stated...we don't know. This could be the worse thing ever or the best thing ever...the same as every movie ever announced. As we wait for details, I'll remain ever hopeful of the latter.

True, but like I mentioned at the top, there are more things to prove right now on why this could be bad for Superman than being good for him.

 

[JangoNate]

Well here's hoping it turns out on the amazing end so that at least the worrying doesn't end up as depression at being right. And that's not necessarily directed at you, Lee, but everyone fretting about the news. To bad we have another two years of waiting to find out.

 

[Herolee10]

Well here's hoping it turns out on the amazing end so that at least the worrying doesn't end up as depression at being right. And that's not necessarily directed at you, Lee, but everyone fretting about the news. To bad we have another two years of waiting to find out.

lol; oh I hope so as well. At this point, I'm not really expecting much. I do think though that we may get some more substantial info before this year is up at least.

 

[joseph]

True, though I wonder if anything is gathered from the remains of the scout ship.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...if another scout ship never "magically" lands on earth ever again, maybe Bruce Wayne/Lex Luthor find some suits from the remains of the scout ship after the cleanup and modifies them for their own personal use (maybe Bruce Wayne modifies Zod's suit to make his batsuit or Lex picks up some krytonian tech to make his battle suit), etc...

 

[Loki882]

Or they depict both Batman and Superman as awesome and make both fanbases happy, thus doubling their audience. Also, Kara could play an interesting role if they want to use more of the Krypton stuff in WF.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am so hoping they use Kara. Even in the silver age the characterization of Superman was such that Kara's prescence in his life made a huge impact. And for MOS SUPERMAN, who could reasonably one could argue view himself as "The Last Son Of Krypton By His Own Hand" imagine the emotions and drama that can be mined from him finding another Kryptonian, and an El at that.

 

[Gianakin_]

Zack Snyder and David Goyer are behind this.

That's a pro?

 

[Loki882]

Batman's reaction could be priceless as well. "Oh God, there's another one, Alfred, we need to get back to work."

 

[Pyro Man]

I don't really want to see Kara brought into World's Finest. I accept that this is probably going to be a slightly more centered on Superman, as it should be seeing as its a sequel to Man of Steel. That said, I think Kara being introduced in it would be swaying things too much to that side. Kara in the next MOS? Yes absolutely but I don't want a repeat of "Superman/Batman: Apocalypse" where despite being a title character Batman is very much a supporting character to Superman and Supergirl. This was fine in comic book form when it was just one arc in a continuing series but adapting an arc that is basically a backdoor pilot for a Supergirl series into a movie is a bad idea. Introducing new versions of Batman and Supergirl both for the first time is an even worse one.

 

[Loki882]

Since Snyder has already said that this is first and foremost a Superman movie, Batman is likely to be a supporting character anyway (maybe he's in the shadows for most of the film, with ambiguous motives). Adding Kara could add interesting new complications to the world as a whole.

 

[Pyro Man]

It would but the film already has to introduce Batman AND a villain (possibly two even) as major players, don't you think adding in Kara is a bit much? Wouldn't it be a better service to both characters to not have their introductions cluttered together? Would you think Robin should be introduced if this was a Batman/Superman movie that was primarily a Batman film?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the inclusion of Kara aong with Lex and the picking up of threads from MOS would silence the detractors that think Batman is going to runaway with this film at least.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the inclusion of Kara aong with Lex and the picking up of threads from MOS would silence the detractors that think Batman is going to runaway with this film at least.

True, but that would make things quite packed. I wonder if Snyder and goyer could handle all of that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think if the sequel/follow up has a run time near MOS', then there's more than enough time. And as I have posted before Batman and Lex can work in the film to further the theme's from MOS.

LEX and BATMAN both are examples of what Brando's Jor-El might call human kinds "capacity". Both are driven and brilliant in their own ways. One will be Superman's greatest enemy and a threat to all he is and all he cherishes. The other is destined to be his greatest ally in his never ending battle and a friend that proves to him humanity is not only worthy of defense but trust.

This can work people.

 

[Gianakin_]

Actually, Batman is a prime example of how to use humanity's flaws for good. Superman is the one who symbolizes the absolute best in humanity.

And of course the movie can work. But only under certain circumstances. The premise can be quite brilliant (just like MoS' was).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Actually, Batman is a prime example of how to use humanity's flaws for good. Superman is the one who symbolizes the absolute best in humanity.

And of course the movie can work. But only under certain circumstances. The premise can be quite brilliant (just like MoS' was).

Overcoming tragedy and the emotions of anger and hatred to forge oneself into a live saving force for justice sounds like an expression of the capacity of human beings to me. Six of one, half a dozen of another.

I happen to believe having Batman thrown into the mix can help to further the themes and ideas in MOS and not somehow degrade Superman. If others are right and this turns out a steaming pile O' guanno I will be the first to say I was wrong. But again, at least I am not making a blanket statment about this when not a single minute of video has been recorded yet. Snyder has not even gotten Kraft services scheduled yet my brothers and sisters. Why does it seem that people WANT to wallow in depression?

 

[Gianakin_]

You got me there. It's what people do, I guess. Although, MoS CAN give an educated guess based on MoS.

The thing is, Batman didn't overcome the tragedy, and the pain and the anger. He uses them every night, he lets them fuel him to go on. That's how I see it, anyway.