Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - Part 12

[Tobias]

With right marketing, and trailers showing the stuff people want from Superman, and a good joke in the trailers "Don't tug on Superman's cape dude! !!!" People will come out in huge numbers.

Yeah but the trailers were great this time. Will great trailers be enough next time?

Trailers yes but IMO next time they will need sharp, intimate, dialogue savvy scenes in those trailers.

Lex will have to be a name actor, a youngish actor and a very, very good actor. Matt Damon like though IMO Matt Damon isn't quite right.

Henry really, really needs to step up his game. He has more charm when in "natural" settings like ComiCon and on Leno than you can shake a stick at but none of that came through in MOS. His natural charm has to be played up and brought out next time.

 

[Showtime]

right.

no, this didn't make OMG $400m+ domestically and shatter all kinds of records.

But, it wasn't an underperforming disaster either..........

if MOS had bombed with LR type BO #s ( and possibly PR type #s ), then we'd have cause for concern.

as for any "changes" in the sequel, they' don't need to replace the entire creative team. they just need to improve on the foundation they created with MOS.

at the very least they can bring in someone to compliment and shore up Goyer's writing.

have better editing/pacing.

and get rid of the shaky cam........lol

I mean sure it could have done better domestically, and it dropped hard on a couple weeks, but WB knew this was going to be a front heavy film and embraced it with the Walmart program. You have to give them credit.

It almost seems like the shaky cam was used to forgive the CGI. It's odd.

 

[blumatic]

...don't tug on Superman's cape...dude?

I'm not a writer. But something that's said all the time but never in a Superman movie. Would be cool if it made the screen. Someone has to literally pull his cape though.

 

[Tobias]

That's gross.



Right. He says the opposite.

Which is what I said. He says WB has too much invested to start over.

 

[blumatic]

Yeah but the trailers were great this time. Will great trailers be enough next time?

Trailers yes but IMO next time they will need sharp, intimate, dialogue savvy scenes in those trailers.

Lex will have to be a name actor, a youngish actor and a very, very good actor. Matt Damon like though IMO Matt Damon isn't quite right.

Henry really, really needs to step up his game. He has more charm when in "natural" settings like ComiCon and on Leno than you can shake a stick at but none of that came through in MOS. His natural charm has to be played up and brought out next time.

What brought people to see TDK was not BB. It was the Jokers quotes in the Trailers. The creepy feel it had. That truck flip. What brought them back the next week was how good the movie was.

In SR, the marketing was about good ole Supes. People said no.

 

[Tobias]

I mean sure it could have done better domestically, and it dropped hard on a couple weeks, but WB knew this was going to be a front heavy film and embraced it with the Walmart program. You have to give them credit.

It almost seems like the shaky cam was used to forgive the CGI. It's odd.

Imagine if the film itself was about as good as the trailers! What is frustrating is thinking of the potential of MOS with good editing, good directing and sharp dialogue. Its going to end up around 640 million WW as it is. If it had been an A- film instead of a C+/B-. This is why I see it as a huge missed opportunity.

Not fatal, but it makes for a harder row to hoe for MOS2.

 

[CConn]

I'm not a writer. But something that's said all the time but never in a Superman movie. Would be cool if it made the screen. Someone has to literally pull his cape though.

The funny thing is, that seems eerily similar to something Goyer would actually write.

 

[blumatic]

Imagine if the film itself was about as good as the trailers! What is frustrating is thinking of the potential of MOS with good editing, good directing and sharp dialogue. Its going to end up around 640 million WW as it is. If it had been an A- film instead of a C+/B-. This is why I see it as a huge missed opportunity.

Not fatal but it makes for a harder row to hoe for MOS2.

With the development he'll Superman has been in, and the hiccup in 2006. With 590 mill in the bank..... It wasn't a missed opportunity. It was a life saver. Superman is back baby.

 

[blumatic]

The funny thing is, that seems eerily similar to something Goyer would actually write.

That line would work great in Marvel. I guess I'm trying to hard.

 

[Tobias]

What brought people to see TDK was not BB. It was the Jokers quotes in the Trailers. The creepy feel it had. That truck flip. What brought them back the next week was how good the movie was.

In SR, the marketing was about good ole Supes. People said no.

It was, in a weird sort of way, an intimacy.

MOS did not have that, it was too broad.

Action packed trailers are a must but next time intimate, intense scenes must also be part of the trailers.

It looks like a sequel won't happen till 2016/2017 so, if they are serious, WB has the time to make sure the next Superman film is a great CBM movie.

 

[X Knight]

the film itself was as good as the trailers.........

imo

 

[Tobias]

I mean sure it could have done better domestically, and it dropped hard on a couple weeks, but WB knew this was going to be a front heavy film and embraced it with the Walmart program. You have to give them credit.

It almost seems like the shaky cam was used to forgive the CGI. It's odd.

Yeah, but the film should never have had a shaky CAM or weak CGI. That's the whole point. Fans should not have to settle for this and neither should WB.

 

[CConn]

Imagine if the film itself was about as good as the trailers! What is frustrating is thinking of the potential of MOS with good editing, good directing and sharp dialogue. Its going to end up around 640 million WW as it is. If it had been an A- film instead of a C+/B-. This is why I see it as a huge missed opportunity.

Not fatal, but it makes for a harder row to hoe for MOS2.

I kinda have to agree with that.

While MOS' actual box office is quite strong, I think its strength is a good indication that, had the movie been as good as a TDK or TA, it could have easily had breached the billion mark.

Which is kinda cool - to know Superman can still have that kind of pull.

 

[blumatic]

I don't think anyone will ever be settled with CGI. Our eyes have become to sophisticated. I read the bad reviews of PR, and the hate the CGI. SMH.

MOS CGI was good. Spider man 3 and SR had the worst use of CGI I've ever seen. Doo Doo.

 

[X Knight]

Yeah, but the film should never have had a shaky CAM or weak CGI. That's the whole point. Fans should not have to settle for this and neither should WB.

well, judging by the BO, I'd say the majority of fans don't feel like they had to settle for anything.

I'd say they were satisfied with the film.

 

[CConn]

SR's was fine.

Now GL's...

 

[Tobias]

I kinda have to agree with that.

While MOS' actual box office is quite strong, I think its strength is a good indication that, had the movie been as good as a TDK or TA, it could have easily had breached the billion mark.

Which is kinda cool - to know Superman can still have that kind of pull.

You got it.

If only - but the fact so many turned out opening weekend despite the reviews does indeed say Superman still has pull. Its why this was such a missed opportunity IMO.

Had it been an A- film who knows what could have been.

Again, if only.

 

[blumatic]

SR had a 50 million opening weekend. Superman's pull is not what drove MOS success.

 

[CConn]

You got it.

If only - but the fact so many turned out opening weekend despite the reviews does indeed say Superman still has pull. Its why this was such a missed opportunity IMO.

Had it been an A- film who knows what could have been.

Again, if only.

And no matter how much you like the film, there is an inarguable fact;

MOS opened with much more mixed reviews/WOM than The Avengers or TDK did.

If it had been hailed as the best comic book movie ever before it even released, you know that opening numbers would've been even better than they were.

 

[CConn]

SR had a 50 million opening weekend. Superman's pull is not what drove MOS success.

I don't think you understood what I meant.

With Superman, you always have this hovering doubt and concern that he's some outdated relic of another time. That the core nature of the character and his personality can't connect with a modern audience. Or, at very least, it can't compete with other heroes like Batman or Superman.

My point is, MOS unequivocally proved that doubt unfounded.

Get it?

 

[Hammer!]

Some might disagree, but if this film had good reviews and a better word of mouth, I think this film would have flirted with the billion dollar mark WW.

 

[Tobias]

And no matter how much you like the film, there is an inarguable fact;

MOS opened with much more mixed reviews/WOM than The Avengers or TDK did.

If it had been hailed as the best comic book movie ever before it even released, you know that opening numbers would've been even better than they were.

Yup, it was tracking at 135 million before the reviews came out. Then the tracking collapsed. Though the actual OW did not collapse near as much as projections.

If the reviews had been very, very good, not even great, that 135 million could have easily gone up another 10 million plus. Then you are talking a 400 million domestic. 800 million plus film.

This is why I come down so hard on the team. Snyder, Goyer, the editing and even Henry a bit. This was a huge missed opportunity.

Fortunately, it still managed to do decent numbers despite the "forced errors".

 

[CConn]

Some might disagree, but if this film had good reviews and a better word of mouth, I think this film would have flirted with the billion dollar mark WW.

That's exactly what I'm saying too.

The Avengers was so successful because everyone knew it was incredible before they even saw it.

If MoS had that kind of tout (and quality), there's no reason why it couldn't have done similar numbers.

 

[Tobias]

That's exactly what I'm saying too.

The Avengers was so successful because everyone knew it was incredible before they even saw it.

If MoS had that kind of tout (and quality), there's no reason why it couldn't have done similar numbers.

See, this is why I am so against just bringing in the same team again. I have no confidence in Goyer and not a lot in Snyder. I even question Cavill's ability to pull it off.

Cavill ain't going anywhere but, IMO, WB would be crazy to go with the same editing/writing/directing team.

Superman can be a billion dollar franchise but I have doubts this team can take it to that level.

With a sequel probably not coming out for 3 or 4 years, hopefully changes will occur. Folks will move on.

Peter Jackson anyone?

 

[Hammer!]

How will the dual identity thing work in this grounded universe? Depending on how they handle this in the sequel, this could be a deal-breaking factor for some people.