Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - Part 12

[CConn]

While I don't think Snyder is the best director in the world, Boyer's writing was 90% of the problem in MoS.

If they got a more skilled writer for the sequel, they'd be much better off.

Peter Jackson is terrible, BTW. He's so overindulgent with everything he does, he's pretty much ruined all of his movies post-LOTR.

 

[Tobias]

While I don't think Snyder is the best director in the world, Boyer's writing was 90% of the problem in MoS.

If they got a more skilled writer for the sequel, they'd be much better off.

Peter Jackson is terrible, BTW. He's so overindulgent with everything he does, he's pretty much ruined all of his movies post-LOTR.

I agree Goyer is the biggest problem. He needs to go and the longer a sequel is delayed the more likely.

Trouble with Snyder is that he'd be OK with a very solid actor but, sorry, Cavill is a B- actor. I was really disappointed in his performance. Can Snyder pull more out of Cavill next time. I'm curious as to which actors were the runner-ups to Cavill in winning the role. He won't be replaced but I'm curious anyway.

Both Cavill and Routh are totally charming in off-the-cuff interviews but, to me, both seemed to tense up on camera when playing Supes. Unlike Reeve - and I refuse to believe Reeve is/was the only actor able to play a charming engaging Supes. Heck, even Cain was better than Routh or Cavill. And I am not a Cain fan at all.

 

[CConn]

I liked Cavill, myself. The only issue I feel he suffered from was a script that didn't allow him to make the most of his screentime.

 

[Tobias]

I liked Cavill, myself. The only issue I feel he suffered from was a script that didn't allow him to make the most of his screentime.

It may indeed have been the script and directing. I do like Cavill as a person from his interviews, ComiCon, Leno.

We'll see.

Who knows what WB was expecting with the BO. Some here way back said TDK numbers. Yeah right.

Given the weakness of the film, it will still end up at 285 plus change domestic (unless WB slow walks it, which I doubt) and 340 plus OS, depending on Japan which may not be great because of the late release date and pirating. Hard to call.

You and I are pretty much on the same page here. I think you as I see the positive in the potential of the franchise and the need to make some changes to reach that potential. MOS2 could approach a billion BO, but it will have to be a great film to do so.

Frustration at what could have been, hope in what may yet be.

 

[rashad]

Lol

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I've seen MOS FIVE times...anybody care to raise me?

Yeah 11 times

 

[Hammer!]

Yeah 11 times

How did you like it from your first viewing to your eleventh? I saw it four times and thought less of the film after each subsequent viewing.

 

[MANOFSTEELtrilogy]

I agree Goyer is the biggest problem. He needs to go and the longer a sequel is delayed the more likely.

Trouble with Snyder is that he'd be OK with a very solid actor but, sorry, Cavill is a B- actor. I was really disappointed in his performance. Can Snyder pull more out of Cavill next time. I'm curious as to which actors were the runner-ups to Cavill in winning the role. He won't be replaced but I'm curious anyway.

Both Cavill and Routh are totally charming in off-the-cuff interviews but, to me, both seemed to tense up on camera when playing Supes. Unlike Reeve - and I refuse to believe Reeve is/was the only actor able to play a charming engaging Supes. Heck, even Cain was better than Routh or Cavill. And I am not a Cain fan at all.

MOS would have been a box office flop (by the way, remember Superman IV?) if Christopher Reeve was Superman. MOS would have been teased for being more Smile than Steel. MOS is supposed to be tense, and Cavill delivered and mastered the precise look Snyder was looking for. No Superman actor has ever delivered a performance as convincing as Cavill. Cavill is charismatic, and that's why he's replaced Tom Cruise as the star of The Man From U.N.C.L.E..... There is Reeve, Routh and Cain, and then there is Superman (Cavill).

 

[Sup3rman81]

Imagine if the film itself was about as good as the trailers! What is frustrating is thinking of the potential of MOS with good editing, good directing and sharp dialogue. Its going to end up around 640 million WW as it is. If it had been an A- film instead of a C+/B-. This is why I see it as a huge missed opportunity.

Not fatal, but it makes for a harder row to hoe for MOS2.

It has a cinema score of A-. Its an A+ for me. You may see it as a B or C film but the way you talk it seems like you feel its an F

 

[Tobias]

How did you like it from your first viewing to your eleventh? I saw it four times and thought less of the film after each subsequent viewing.

I've seen it only twice but my rating dropped on the second viewing. The film does not hold up on repeat viewing - unlike say BB.

 

[Sup3rman81]

MOS would have been a box office flop (by the way, remember Superman IV?) if Christopher Reeve was Superman. MOS would have been teased for being more Smile than Steel. MOS is supposed to be tense, and Cavill delivered and mastered the precise look Snyder was looking for. No Superman actor has ever delivered a performance as convincing as Cavill. Cavill is charismatic, and that's why he's replaced Tom Cruise as the star of The Man From U.N.C.L.E..... There is Reeve, Routh and Cain, and then there is Superman (Cavill).

Great post man! Cavill is Superman and even Reeve knew he was the superman for his time and someone else needed to step up for our time. Cavill is that man

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Yeah but the trailers were great this time. Will great trailers be enough next time?

Trailers yes but IMO next time they will need sharp, intimate, dialogue savvy scenes in those trailers.

Lex will have to be a name actor, a youngish actor and a very, very good actor. Matt Damon like though IMO Matt Damon isn't quite right.

Henry really, really needs to step up his game. He has more charm when in "natural" settings like ComiCon and on Leno than you can shake a stick at but none of that came through in MOS. His natural charm has to be played up and brought out next time.

Henry was amazing, an absolute revelation. He did everything he was supposed to do in order to bring this character alive. The fact that you keep disparaging his performance, tells me all I need to know about your opinion, it simply isn't relevant!! Just because some critics and you don't like the movie and didn't give the movie a ringing endorsement, doesn't mean there won't be a MOS 2. There no delay, no self doubt on the part of the suits at WB as to the viability of a sequel, it only exists in your twisted sense of reality.

 

[Tobias]

MOS would have been a box office flop (by the way, remember Superman IV?) if Christopher Reeve was Superman. MOS would have been teased for being more Smile than Steel. MOS is supposed to be tense, and Cavill delivered and mastered the precise look Snyder was looking for. No Superman actor has ever delivered a performance as convincing as Cavill. Cavill is charismatic, and that's why he's replaced Tom Cruise as the star of The Man From U.N.C.L.E..... There is Reeve, Routh and Cain, and then there is Superman (Cavill).

You've got to be kidding.

I like Cavill but his performance was unegaging, one-dimensional and just blah. Now much of that was the poor script and dialogue. Maybe Snyder didn't want the "smile of steel", but I see no evidence Cavil captured hearts as Superman. As Reeve surely did and, ouch, Cain did in a way too. The script didn't allow that unfortunately.

His UNCLE casting was mostly in anticipation of MOS.

Sorry to disagree and not to say that with a great script and a better director that Cavill could not shine in the role.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

How did you like it from your first viewing to your eleventh? I saw it four times and thought less of the film after each subsequent viewing.

I like more every time. I just wish there was an IMAX showing available.

 

[Sup3rman81]

I've seen it only twice but my rating dropped on the second viewing. The film does not hold up on repeat viewing - unlike say BB.

MOS holds up better than BB and TDK to me. In BB the early scenes are carried by Neeson. It only picks up near the end. I love BB but if not for Murphy and Neeson it would have felt slower. TDK best scenes are all with the Joker. I found myself on the 2nd viewing only caring about the Joker scenes. MoS has action right from the get go and its got better talent to carry the non action scenes

 

[CConn]

Henry was amazing, an absolute revelation. He did everything he was supposed to do in order to bring this character alive. The fact that you keep disparaging his performance, tells me all I need to know about your opinion, it simply isn't relevant!! Just because some critics and you don't like the movie and didn't give the movie a ringing endorsement, doesn't mean there won't be a MOS 2. There no delay, no self doubt on the part of the suits at WB as to the viability of a sequel, it only exists in your twisted sense of reality.

I'm sorry, but you're essentially just saying "I don't like your opinion so I'm going to try to ignore and demean it as much as possible to show that mine is superior!!!"

It's as if someone not likeing MoS innately disturbs you. Which, if true, is a wholly foolhardy position to have. You liked MoS, that's great. Tobias didn't. You really should have the strength in character and opinion to not allow his descenting opinion to have any affect on you beyond generwl intellectual exploration.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

How did you like it from your first viewing to your eleventh? I saw it four times and thought less of the film after each subsequent viewing.

But it took you four times to draw this conclusion? I would think twice would be enough to know if your first reaction to it was accurate. You must be a glutton for punishment. I guess the DVD/Bluray won't be on your list to Santa!

 

[Sup3rman81]

It may indeed have been the script and directing. I do like Cavill as a person from his interviews, ComiCon, Leno.

We'll see.

Who knows what WB was expecting with the BO. Some here way back said TDK numbers. Yeah right.

Given the weakness of the film, it will still end up at 285 plus change domestic (unless WB slow walks it, which I doubt) and 340 plus OS, depending on Japan which may not be great because of the late release date and pirating. Hard to call.

You and I are pretty much on the same page here. I think you as I see the positive in the potential of the franchise and the need to make some changes to reach that potential. MOS2 could approach a billion BO, but it will have to be a great film to do so.

Frustration at what could have been, hope in what may yet be.

The film is not weak. Well maybe to you but not to a lot of other people. The film has done well and has held strong with week after week of competition. It has set WB records and BO records OS and here. So to think WB isnt happy and is going to wait till 2016 or 2017 to get MOS2 going ur crazy

 

[Bruce Malone]

 

[X Knight]

hmmm......I think the earliest we'll see MOS2 is 2016.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I'm sorry, but you're essentially just saying "I don't like your opinion so I'm going to try to ignore and demean it as much as possible to show that mine is superior!!!"

It's as if someone not likeing MoS innately disturbs you. Which, if true, is a wholly foolhardy position to have. You liked MoS, that's great. Tobias didn't. You really should have the strength in character and opinion to not allow his descenting opinion to have any affect on you beyond generwl intellectual exploration.

Yep, that's about right was my subtext that obvious haha!

 

[Tra-El]

I like more every time. I just wish there was an IMAX showing available.

Seen it 6 times and already want to see it a 7th. It's a movie that just captivates you each time because the scope is SO big, but yet, there's so many hidden messages that make you get excited for a character that is deemed outdated. They really did resurrect Superman from the dead and did it in a unique way noone came to expect, let alone being mixed in with a real-life, grounded setting but at the same time, gave us one helluva sci-fi thrill. It's a mixed bag of directions and I fully embraced it. I, along with countless of others, thought Cavill's performance and embodiment of Superman was spectacular and spot on.

It's exciting to watch him be allowed to grow into this role now. His next challenge will be the glasses, though, people MAY know who he is THIS time. His Daily Planet Clark Kent is going to be so revolutionized it's a joy to just try to picture it. The future is BRIGHT.

 

[Notrip]

hmm, what a thread. I thought we were talking box-office? Interesting. Man of Steel was good. If Man of Steel had an A cinemascore and an 80%+ RT score I still believe it wouldn't be anywhere NEAR 1 billion. Heck, I would argue it could have received 90% on RT with praise and still be under 900 million WW.

 

[Hammer!]

hmmm......I think the earliest we'll see MOS2 is 2016.[/QUOT


WB/DC can't afford to wait that long. There will be roughly ten Marvel based properties hitting the silver screen by that time. The GA would lose interest in Superman and the supposed establishment of the DCU.

 

[Sup3rman81]

hmmm......I think the earliest we'll see MOS2 is 2016.

If they wait that long then we can forget about JLA. Marvel will have 2 Avenger movies and loads of sequels and new franchises out by then. Also 2016 would mean no Batman until JLA comes out which could be who knows when