Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - Part 12

[Tobias]

With the greatest respect Tobias, MOS2 will improve significantly on MOS. You've got to know this. Do you have a bias towards Marvel...I thought we all loved CBM and want the genre to do well.

Actually I have a DC and in particular Supes bias.

I don't see how you can be sure the next film improves significantly. With the same team? With no significant changes?

Henry was not impressive in the film because he was given so little dialog, so little depth as Supes. This film was supposed to "sell" Superman to the GA as cool and interesting. It didn't. Zod came off as the cooler character.

 

[robot]

Came back from PR on the IMAX!

Ok, here's my take:

1. The entire movie is just big action / repetitive action... so, why aren't critics saying that for PR when they said that for MOS?

2. Terrible dialoque... even worse than MOS... but why aren't critics saying that as well?

3. Tried to be funny many times, but unfunny... maybe made me laugh just as much as MOS did, so why aren't critics saying it needs better jokes?

4. Action is no better than Transformers...

5. The 3D is way more 3D than MOS for sure, but it's not done very well.. it's too in your face, all the time... I think the ONLY person who actually knows how to make a 3D film is James Cameron...


Basically another movie that's not as good as MOS overall, yet getting over 70% of RT????

Like I said, the high expectations on MOS have caused it dearly with the critics... the 'complains' they have are valid, but the 'fail' the gave the movie, in my opinion is just too drastic...

 

[robot]

I try my best to entertain - and tweek a bit too. You guys are so predictable. Many of you anyway.

But I am totally serious about being happy the sequel appears to be getting put off. The next film needs to be rethought and lessons learned from the many deficiencies of MOS. You know you have a problem when Zod is the most interesting character and not Superman in a Supes film. As some critics have noted including the one I posted above.

I find faora to be the most interesting character.. she was truly unique.. Russell was excellent, as usual... he's truly an A list actor, even with so-so script, he made it his own... the rest was so-so to me... Henry was a bit 'muted' and 'wooden' and 'one dimensional'.. he could have been a lot better if given better scripts and better direction (he was at best a B+ actor, and without a good direction, can't do an excellent job by himself like Russell did)...

 

[Tobias]

Came back from PR on the IMAX!

Ok, here's my take:

1. The entire movie is just big action / repetitive action... so, why aren't critics saying that for PR when they said that for MOS?

2. Terrible dialoque... even worse than MOS... but why aren't critics saying that as well?

3. Tried to be funny many times, but unfunny... maybe made me laugh just as much as MOS did, so why aren't critics saying it needs better jokes?

4. Action is no better than Transformers...

5. The 3D is way more 3D than MOS for sure, but it's not done very well.. it's too in your face, all the time... I think the ONLY person who actually knows how to make a 3D film is James Cameron...


Basically another movie that's not as good as MOS overall, yet getting over 70% of RT????

Like I said, the high expectations on MOS have caused it dearly with the critics... the 'complains' they have are valid, but the 'fail' the gave the movie, in my opinion is just too drastic...

This is why its good MOS2 is being put off. There are real issues with the film despite the fact PR may have the same issues and didn't get called on it.

Henry has to be given a great script and dialog or he is going to go down as just another guy who played Superman.

PR should do better OS than MOS but not as good domestic.

BOM has it at 450 million OS and I think like 145 million domestic. If that happens PR will beat out MOS WW.

 

[ElDuderino]

I try my best to entertain - and tweek a bit too. You guys are so predictable. Many of you anyway.

But I am totally serious about being happy the sequel appears to be getting put off. The next film needs to be rethought and lessons learned from the many deficiencies of MOS. You know you have a problem when Zod is the most interesting character and not Superman in a Supes film. As some critics have noted including the one I posted above.

I can imagine the responses are quite predictable, given you just keep repeating the same troll posts over and over. Nothing new, nothing clever, nothing of interest. Just dull, thoughtless, droning posts clogging up discussion.

Be witty or something. Be interesting. Or just stop posting. This is just horribly written nonsense, seemingly hand pecked from a junior high student's iPhone.

 

[Tobias]

I find faora to be the most interesting character.. she was truly unique.. Russell was excellent, as usual... he's truly an A list actor, even with so-so script, he made it his own... the rest was so-so to me... Henry was a bit 'muted' and 'wooden' and 'one dimensional'.. he could have been a lot better if given better scripts and better direction (he was at best a B+ actor, and without a good direction, can't do an excellent job by himself like Russell did)...

That's the problem. Henry is a good actor not a great actor. A good actor needs a great director, and script, to pull out a great performance in a good actor.

If Henry can't improve in MOS2 and bring "magic" to the part, he is not IMO going to be remembered as this generations Chris Reeve/Superman.

So, with the same director and writer for MOS2, its a bit worrying. The longer WB holds off the better the chances they will make significant changes in the team involved with the next film.

 

[robot]

Want to hear something funny?

Grown Ups 2

Critics 7% on RT, Audience 90%

World Record on Discrepancy...

 

[robot]

If any of you haven't seen Pacific Rim and Man of Steel... go for Man of Steel. I think if I had watched it for the 4th time, it'll still be better than Pacific Rim for the first time...

 

[Tobias]

Want to hear something funny?

Grown Ups 2

Critics 7% on RT, Audience 90%

World Record on Discrepancy...

RT you can somewhat discount. Though SR had a 7.5 or so.

But the general critics have been negative with MOS. SR fared much better. I actually thought MOS slightly better than SR. I give SR a 7.4 and MOS a 7.6. Lowered it a bit after seeing it a second time. I wasn't impressed by either Routh or Cavill.

IMO WB can't get away with another average Superman film after SR and MOS. It'll wreck the franchise. The new head of WB is sharp and we may be surprised by changes he drives in a potential sequel. Hope so anyway.

 

[Tra-El]

I feel they were shaken by the reviews. it clearly hurt the BO.

Did you NOT see the interview with WB exects that they were very "proud" of Man of Steel and deem it a success? Probably not.

I think WB is going to demand changes. Heck there is talk of doing a prequel instead of a sequel?!

Yea, uh-huh, dude. Keep twisting the words into your favor. A true politician at work There is NO talk of a prequel. Just fanboys that hopped on Twitter one day to tell Russell Crowe how badass he was. He said he'd be open to return. That's it. There is no talk of a prequel so don't try to twist the actual facts into how WB can "change things."

I am still not convinced the full team will return if they do a sequel.

Judging by your posts and only popping in when it's relevant to your argument, you aren't convinced on anything from 1 post to another. You said it best. You're wishy-washy-ness and twisting of your own words for the sake of keeping things entertaining says it all.

Henry was not impressive in the film because he was given so little dialog, so little depth as Supes. This film was supposed to "sell" Superman to the GA as cool and interesting. It didn't.

Opinion. I thought Cavill did an extraordinary job and was more than exceptional in his role. Hell, in basically ALL I've ever seen from the majority, people praised Henry Cavill to propelling heights as Superman no matter how many negatives articles you want to pull from your rectum

Though, I don't get your GRIPE with the whole Zod is cooler argument. Really, it makes no sense but in the same way, totally makes sense in your made up arguments to twist junctures of your opinion as to what WB must be thinking. It's absurd. Did you NOT want Zod to be interesting?

Did you want him to be this plain dude who just shows up in and uninteresting way and makes Superman look bad for having such a crappy rogues galley? The villain is who makes the hero. Man of Steel did a superb job with that notion. Besides, whoever thought Batman was portrayed cooler than The Joker in The Dark Knight is fooling themselves. Was Batman even in TDK? Lmao. Mr. Tobias. YOU are awesome. Most see right through you dude. Keep up the good work

 

[dnno1]

Actually I have a DC and in particular Supes bias.

I don't see how you can be sure the next film improves significantly. With the same team? With no significant changes?

Henry was not impressive in the film because he was given so little dialog, so little depth as Supes. This film was supposed to "sell" Superman to the GA as cool and interesting. It didn't. Zod came off as the cooler character.

Well, to answer your question, there was so much that that team got right with Man of Steel that it would make sense to use them again to assess the lessons learned and apply them to the sequel film. You bring in a new team and you may get a new vision and another re-imagination of the character that could very well flop. Case in point, with the Batman franchise. You had two solid films directed by Tim Burton and when they changed to Joel Schumaker you got two of the worst films in the franchise. There are a couple of sayings that go like this: "Don't change horses in the middle of the stream" and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I am not going to go as far as to say that Man of Steel was or was not "broke", but I will certainly say that you don't need to totally redo what they have already done with it.

 

[Tobias]

Did you NOT see the interview with WB exects that they were very "proud" of Man of Steel and deem it a success? Probably not.




Yea, uh-huh, dude. Keep twisting the words into your favor. A true politician at work There is NO talk of a prequel. Just fanboys that hopped on Twitter one day to tell Russell Crowe how badass he was. He said he'd be open to return. That's it. There is no talk of a prequel so don't try to twist the actual facts into how WB can "change things."



Judging by your posts and only popping in when it's relevant to your argument, you aren't convinced on anything from 1 post to another. You said it best. You're wishy-washy-ness and twisting of your own words for the sake of keeping things entertaining says it all.



Opinion. I thought Cavill did an extraordinary job and was more than exceptional in his role. Hell, in basically ALL I've ever seen from the majority, people praised Henry Cavill to propelling heights as Superman no matter how many negatives articles you want to pull from your rectum

Though, I don't get your GRIPE with the whole Zod is cooler argument. Really, it makes no sense but in the same way, totally makes sense in your made up arguments to twist junctures of your opinion as to what WB must be thinking. It's absurd. Did you NOT want Zod to be interesting?

Did you want him to be this plain dude who just shows up in and uninteresting way and makes Superman look bad for having such a crappy rogues galley? The villain is who makes the hero. Man of Steel did a superb job with that notion. Besides, whoever thought Batman was portrayed cooler than The Joker in The Dark Knight is fooling themselves. Was Batman even in TDK? Lmao. Mr. Tobias. YOU are awesome. Most see right through you dude. Keep up the good work

Were there problems with the film or not? Did all the critics get it wrong? Do you want the same muted (lack of character development) portrayal of Supes in a sequel? Do you want the same kind of editing?

A friend told me recently the film lacked verisimilitude (probably spelled it wrong) so, in layfolks terms, it lacked magic.

 

[MrMaooz]

Oh Tobias is here?

 

[Tobias]

Well, to answer your question, there was so much that that team got right with Man of Steel that it would make sense to use them again to assess the lessons learned and apply them to the sequel film. You bring in a new team and you may get a new vision and another re-imagination of the character that could very well flop. Case in point, with the Batman franchise. You had two solid films directed by Tim Burton and when they changed to Joel Schumaker you got two of the worst films in the franchise. There are a couple of sayings that go like this: "Don't change horses in the middle of the stream" and "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I am not going to go as far as to say that Man of Steel was or was not "broke", but I will certainly say that you don't need to totally redo what they have already done with it.

Not calling for a total redo. Some are. The guys at Forbes said a reboot would be best but is not practical. I'm sure Tom is getting calls as we speak!

The issue is that this film was supposed to make Supperman cool and relevant again. It didn't. He was boring and mopey in the film. Kind of like Routh in SR.

The idea is to make Superman popular again so a Superman film can join the big-boys (Ironman and Batman and Spidey). It's fine to have a great villain - Zod was the best part of MOS - but until you get a great hero what is the point.

Some changes are demanded. Better script, editing and characterizations. WB is going to go slow with any sequel it seems. 2016 or 2017. A lot can happen in that time. We'll see.

 

[Liam_H]

If any of you haven't seen Pacific Rim and Man of Steel... go for Man of Steel. I think if I had watched it for the 4th time, it'll still be better than Pacific Rim for the first time...

No.

 

[Tobias]

No.

So you think PR is better than MOS? I'm hearing that from some.

Sad and a further confirmation that there are isssues to be fixed if they do an MOS sequel.

I think too many are believing the whole team can simply return, with no changes made, and next time they will give us a great film. What's the definition of insanity as they say?

A major shake-up is needed and I think the new head of WB will surprise us all. I could even see cast changes. But clearly director, writing, technical changes are going to be increasingly likely as WB delays a formal announcement.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Tobias are you a real? The stuff you say is mind boggling and not half of it makes any kind of sense

 

[Tra-El]

Were there problems with the film or not?

Yes, of course. Nothing fatal though, so stop acting like it. These things could and should be addressed but in the manor of giving the team something to build on rather than wiping house like you suggest or think what WB is thinking. They understand the problems I'm sure. It was a first crack at a reboot to a iconic character in need of change. Now, the building-phase of this world.

Did all the critics get it wrong?

No, not all the critics got it wrong, but the majority of them certainly did because if you would go through them, not only did they give the film a good-average rating, they basically are comparing it to their own pre-conceived notions of the already pre-existing Superman franchise.

Most critics thought they were getting a Superman that would of went against the entire point of the reboot to begin with. That was told and pounded into our heads OVER AND OVER again how this is separate from ANY Superman film or incarnation we've seen before but at the same time, has his roots. That message, however, went right over the head of most critics and people, which is sad and funny at the same time.

Regardless of a division, it was a division done RIGHT.

Do you want the same muted (lack of character development) portrayal of Supes in a sequel? Do you want the same kind of editing?

Huh? Come on. Lets see it. Lets see the part in the WB reply to your letter where they laid out their ENTIRE landscape and blue-print of making the sequel a lack of character development and muted, as dark as can be. Come on, now.

You still don't get MOS, do you? This was his origin story that was supposed to be everything you saw, muted and all. It's going to set up exactly the way most people view Superman. It ended with a smile and a welcoming to the Daily Planet.

It's funny, because I truly believe the team is going to have the last laugh because what you are suggesting is CLEARLY the direction the team seems to be (atleast to me) approaching to begin with with their long-term goal.

A friend told me recently the film lacked verisimilitude (probably spelled it wrong) so, in layfolks terms, it lacked magic.

So can I write a letter to WB telling them how my one friend (a Superman-hater, mind you) absolutely thought it lived up to the expectations and thought that magic certainly packed a punch? Just because one of your friends says otherwise, doesn't mean 10 others thought it lacked magic and vice-versa.

This film, according to what I've read from this team, knew the separation and fresh way of introducing Superman was going to divide people and fans and it did. It's what it was supposed to do. Now, they build on the world that will allow these characters to grow, especially Mr. Cavill.

 

[ConanLives]

Guys, Elduderino has Tobias nailed...just ignore him.

 

[Liam_H]

I think Pacific Rim succeeded a lot better in its own way than what Man of Steel was trying to do.

I enjoyed the Smallville fight in MoS but the Hong Kong Sequence in PR easily trumps it in terms of entertainment and spectacle. That's worth the price of admission alone.

 

[Tobias]

I think Pacific Rim succeeded a lot better in its own way than what Man of Steel was trying to do.

I enjoyed the Smallville fight in MoS but the Hong Kong Sequence in PR easily trumps it in terms of entertainment and spectacle. That's worth the price of admission alone.

Appreciate you having the honesty to say PR was better in doing what MOS was supposed to do.

I wasn't going to see PR but after reading the reviews I am.

Snyder and team messed up IMO. And, relative to PR, maybe in your opinion too.

It may be too much to hope but I wish they'd drop Snyder, Goyer and re-look the cast if they do MOS2. I guess that makes me a hater but apparently from reviews, what you say, what friends have told me PR is the better film. It wasn't supposed to be that way.

BOM predicts PR will do better than MOS WW. That will be telling if it happens. It would shake-up WB I'd bet.

PR2 in 2015 and MOS2 in 2016/2017?

 

[Liam_H]

Both these movies were easily my most anticipated of the summer, MoS being #1. But PR delivered more than MoS did IMO.

 

[ConanLives]

I think Pacific Rim succeeded a lot better in its own way than what Man of Steel was trying to do.

I enjoyed the Smallville fight in MoS but the Hong Kong Sequence in PR easily trumps it in terms of entertainment and spectacle. That's worth the price of admission alone.

I'm going to see it next week. How's it doing at the box office?

 

[Showtime]

Not calling for a total redo. Some are. The guys at Forbes said a reboot would be best but is not practical. I'm sure Tom is getting calls as we speak!

The issue is that this film was supposed to make Supperman cool and relevant again. It didn't. He was boring and mopey in the film. Kind of like Routh in SR.

The idea is to make Superman popular again so a Superman film can join the big-boys (Ironman and Batman and Spidey). It's fine to have a great villain - Zod was the best part of MOS - but until you get a great hero what is the point.

Some changes are demanded. Better script, editing and characterizations. WB is going to go slow with any sequel it seems. 2016 or 2017. A lot can happen in that time. We'll see.

There was certainly script problems, especially dialogue. There is nothing really all that quotable in the film. Compare that with Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises. People were quoting Joker & Bane...still are. The editing and the pacing were really bad as well.

All of that being said, to say that this film didn't make Superman relevant again, seems to be hyperbole. The film featured good acting with a group of good actors and was entertaining. They aren't going to reboot the film after this, they are going to make another movie with Superman in it.

 

[Liam_H]

I'm going to see it next week. How's it doing at the box office?

Its best not to talk about it.