Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - Part 13

[ConnorKon-El]

To be honest with you. It was not as good as BB or IM. I feel MOS may have been too ambitious. Superman has a very detailed origin story. To squeeze that in and give sequel worthy action scenes may have did them in a little.

But there were a lot of good things which they detailed that earlier Superman films did do, but the pacing made those scenes fly by. But I was able to find connection with the scenes even if they moved quickly.

I give begins an 80, iron man an 80.
I give MOS a 70.
It's a solid film that's very entertaining. It just has some issues with pacing and I wish they had featured more of Clark's past.
All I'll say is unlike walking out of Returns very displeased, I walked out of Steel quite pleased with what I had just watched.

 

[Marvin]

MoS definitely faced more competition but do I think it has been well received as the first IM? No.

Assuming that was a question, I would say it's around the same maybe a little less.
The power of the brand gives it that extra push, especially world wide. The people that love it, really do, the people that hate it...etc
And plenty in between.

Numbers are hard to explain, IM2 has higher numbers than IM1 but few people would argue that film was better received than the first.
The thing that is really confusing things is that alot of these non postive opinions about the superman film are coming from people with expectations of what they think a superman film is supposed to be, that didn't happen with IM1. How to factor that into the comparison is confusing.

Then there is the effect of the post credit stinger and what it meant. What such a thing does for word of mouth is confusing. For example what if WB had this worlds finest logo with bale reading the DKR line at the end, instant numbers/buzz/reception boost imo.

 

[Liam_H]

Agree to disagree...and quite strongly I might add.

 

[Jegan]

That was my issue as well with Tony Stark. And they gave the kid way too much screen time. I feel that if the Mandarin was real he would have taken more time from the kid because they would want to show his motivation. But they spent the whole film hiding the villain for the twist.

IM3 would go in my 5 least fav movies

 

[Jegan]

If you look at iron man as a trilogy. Although it was a huge financial success, for me the only one i liked was IM 1. IM2 was a huge bust, and IMO as bad as green lantern. IM3 was better then IM2, but was also a huge disapointment. However, this is just my own personal opinion. Box office numbers state otherwise.

 

[InJustice]

If you look at iron man as a trilogy. Although it was a huge financial success, for me the only one i liked was IM 1. IM2 was a huge bust, and IMO as bad as green lantern. IM3 was better then IM2, but was also a huge disapointment. However, this is just my own personal opinion. Box office numbers state otherwise.

Honestly I feel the same way. I look at IM 1 2 and 3 as standalone movies, and you can really tell the tonal differences between each. 1 was serious and interesting, 2 was bloated and unnecessary, and 3 was a joke to the comic book genre. I can't help but feel the trilogy was a missed opportunity.

 

[kalelvis]

I am definitely one of those guys who has become obsessed with the numbers on MoS and comparable movies. Regardless of all the potential reason's MoS has lost it's legs there is no denying that I am a little saddened that it hasn't done better the last couple of weeks. Going from the numbers the first few weeks, 300 mil should have been a cake walk for a movie that I feel works very well. Of course, not everyone feels that way, but what can you do except like what you like.

I asked my wife which movie she liked better, MoS or IM3 and she replied "Superman was a far better movie but IM3 was so funny." It was her response to MU vs DM2 as well.

Turns out the GA want to laugh and if the marvel films taught the GA anything it was that they would laugh and have fun. While I liked the balance of humor and seriousness in MoS it clearly didn't work for some.

If they can get some levity and fun into the sequel that will get the fun factor up and help insure better GA reception.

On a side note, I was looking at the figure for SR compared to MoS and noticed that from its 38th day until the end of its run it made 12 million dollars/sold 2 million tickets. If MoS does the same numbers as SR then it will make about 16 million more at the Domestic box office.

That would put it at just a hair over 300 mill.

I'm not saying that MoS will make 300 mil but I am saying it is possible.

As far as WB slow walking it, movies only stay in theaters as long as they are bringing in enough people to buy popcorn.

So, based on the legs for the last week, it is going to be a long slow climb but by no means is it impossible to reach 300 mil.

It does look like the os has hit a real wall. Does anyone know the final numbers for China and this weeks numbers for Brazil?

 

[seomensnowlocke]

After all the talk of 'by the end of MoS, he's not the Superman we know yet, he'll get there in the sequal' I'm pretty sure people weren't talking about him getting there in a team up film.

Actually, what I love about the team up option is that Batman will help him become the Superman we know.

That's why Bats shouldn't be a reboot. It should be Nolan's Batman, and Christian Bale should play him. Story-wise, the threat just has to be big enough to bring him out of hiding, and now there is this alien dude who can help out.

This was a great move on WB's part. They springboard the crossovers, and they put the two most iconic heroes against the Avengers. They then have further product rollout available with the lesser DC characters, while Marvel is out of juice.

This movie should hint at wonder woman, and bring her in for MOS 3. I am not a big comic guy, but I would watch a Wonder Woman movie. Flash, Green Lantern, etc., are not very interesting to me as a non-comic guy.

Supes and Bats, sure (grew up on their movies). Wonder Woman, sure (Linda Carter, dude....mmmmm hmmm.)

The Flash? Who? JLA? Wasn't that a cartoon in the 70's?

Supes and Bats is the best way to go. Then add Wonder Woman in MOS 3 and give them each a solo flick thereafter.

 

[sf2]

Damnn...
WB announced Batman in MOS2... now everythings about MOS turn into negatives and bad.

Again another super dump move by WB.

 

[MrMaooz]

Damnn...
WB announced Batman in MOS2... now everythings about MOS turn into negatives and bad.

Again another super dump move by WB.

Huh?

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Is that slot still open ?

I don't think any big tent pole movie has claimed the 17th or the 24th of July yet. The 24th would be the best as picking the 17th leaves MOS 2 at risk of having another big movie grab the 24th giving it only one week to dominate the BO, Which is sort of what happened with WWZ and MU.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Damnn...
WB announced Batman in MOS2... now everythings about MOS turn into negatives and bad.

Again another super dump move by WB.

What are you trying to say?

 

[seomensnowlocke]

Spinning goes both ways... Looks like now people are spinning 'WF' into MOS2...

As a non- fanboy I can tell you that I would never go see a movie called "World's Finest". That is just awkward. It's a Superman Batman movie, Dude. That's awesome. Superman and Batman are cool. "Justice League" and "World's Finest" sounds like "Super Friends". It is dated and lame, and will not make sense to non-fanboys who will only go see these movies once (though I did see MOS twice).

I would consider it the second MOS and the fourth DK movie.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

As a non- fanboy I can tell you that I would never go see a movie called "World's Finest". That is just awkward. It's a Superman Batman movie, Dude. That's awesome. Superman and Batman are cool. "Justice League" and "World's Finest" sounds like "Super Friends". It is dated and lame, and will not make sense to non-fanboys who will only go see these movies once (though I did see MOS twice).

I would consider it the second MOS and the fourth DK movie.

What? How does it sound any more awkward than "The Avengers"?

 

[seomensnowlocke]

I think Batman finds his Harvey Dent in MOS 2. He finds a beacon of hope in Supes.

Supes finds a human who is a great hero, who never kills....when Supes killed Zod.

mOS 2 is gonna be great. the characters can torally play off each other in many interesting ways.

But they should forget Justice League. That is junk. Non-fanboys don't care about that.

Bring in Wonder Woman in MOS 3. Go Go with three characters people care about as opposed to 8 ( or whatever) that no one cares about like Avengers and X-Men.

I can personally promise you I will never watch Thor or Captain America in their own movies, and I have not seen an X-Men movie since 2002. Spidey is cool. Iron Man is cool (only because of RDJ - though I always rent these instead of seeing them in the theater). Avengers was cool because a bunch of superheroes duked it out on screen, but I care nothing for most of them.

WB should limit it to Wonder Woman Bats and Supes. Then you don't have so much junk for General Audiences that have not picked up a comic since they were children.

 

[seomensnowlocke]

What? How does it sound any more awkward than "The Avengers"?

The Avengers was lame too, but at least it did not sound like a superhero labor union. JLA = AFL CIO.

 

[sf2]

What are you trying to say?

What I was trying to say is:-
After WB announced batman into MOS2, many of us have changed our mind n believing the following:-
1. MOS isn't doing good.
2. MOS isn't a great movie
3. The critics r right.
4. GA doesn't get interested in MOS and its sequel
5. Superman didnt have enough drawing power to carry another solo film.
6. WB has no confidence in another superman movie. Giving impression to people that MOS is a bad movie.

That's why I said it's another stupid move by WB.
They should just announce the sequel. Without mentioning Batman.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

IM3 would go in my 5 least fav movies

as underwhelming as I found IM3, it would have to enter an entirely different level to make my bottom 5 movies. that's a level reserved for film's that make green lantern look like it did something right. then again, I've seen a lot of movies.

 

[BH/HHH]

Green Lantern wasn't that bad, I wouldn't say it deserves to be in the same level of ****tery as Batman & Robin, Superman IV, Steel etc

 

[Superchan]

What I was trying to say is:-
After WB announced batman into MOS2, many of us have changed our mind n believing the following:-
1. MOS isn't doing good.
2. MOS isn't a great movie
3. The critics r right.
4. GA doesn't get interested in MOS and its sequel
5. Superman didnt have enough drawing power to carry another solo film.
6. WB has no confidence in another superman movie. Giving impression to people that MOS is a bad movie.

That's why I said it's another stupid move by WB.
They should just announce the sequel. Without mentioning Batman.

You know what I've been a member of SHH for quite a long time and fans never seize to amaze me especially when statements like "man of steel isn't successful" are repeatedly made despite the fact that ALL FACTS point to the contrary.
1.
This is a reboot that has made more than 600 mill WW (2nd biggest reboot after ASM and ahead of the great Casino royale and well ahead of other very well received reboots like BB, startrek 09 and rise of planet of the apes) and while sure it could've made more or had better legs but for what its made thus far (and counting) that film is a certified success, no arguments.
And if all that money isn't a proof of the film's success then consider this, why would WB bring MOS's team to do the superman/batman team up (or MOS2 or what ever they will call it) if they weren't happy with MOS's results? honestly it wouldn't make sense.

2.
Is the movie great? well that's subjective, I personally thought it was solid with great ideas but poor execution but I can't fault anyone for saying the film is brilliant or that it's rubbish since it's all a matter of opinion.

3.
Well critically liked or acclaimed summer movies like into darkness and pacific rim did solid yet underwhelming biz while MOS (hated by critics) did very strong buisness at the box office. Now does that mean that the critics were wrong about these films, well not really, boxoffice success doesn't always correlate with critical response.
From what i'm seeing (Imdb and RT audience scores) MOS has had a solid yet unspectacular response (makes perfect sense to me since I thought the film was solid but unremarkable) but considerably better than the rotten score the critics gave it (heck spiderman 3 and IM 2 had better scores and I don't personally think that it's right)

4.
Again the boxoffice speaks for it's self, the movie broke the june opening in the USA and boasted massive opening in other big markets like china, france, UK, mexico and Australia with very solid openings in SK, Brazil and spain.
Now the movie's legs were all over the place holding solid in uk, france, china and Aus while dropping off massively in mexico and SK but ultimately the big opening weekend numbers that the film boasted shows that the interest in the character is very strong and that SR was an outlier due to the film being shall we say less than exciting.

5 and 6
I will say again that any film that makes 600 mill + is a certified success and any boxoffice analyst worth his or her salt would tell you the same.
Batman begins made considerably less than MOS and it still ended up with a trilogy but I can understand where WB are coming from especially if they are planning to go up against averngers2, star wars VII, pirates 5 (still an international beast even if it's not a domestic titan anymore) and the next bond the studio is going to need to bring out all their big guns, this means superman and batman.

As a die hard superman fan I was (still am) less than thrilled about batman being in a superman movie (potentially hogging the spot light or worse forcing the team to turn superman into a fool to make a mortal limited character like batman look good) because like most superman fans I wanted another solo superman film before we go into WF/JL territory but I have to remind myself that we still know nothing about the film or synder/goyer's plans. Will this be a proper MOS sequel with batman being the movie's "villain" instead of which ever villain they thought about including in the sequel prior to deciding to go with batman? Is superman going to be the star of the film with batman being his "joker"? or is this a WF film serving as an independent entity/franchise akin to marvel's avengers?
Needless to say I will be following this movie's development with much anticipation.

 

[robot]

Look, the fact is people are going to cite the facts any way they please depending on their opinion of Man Of Steel. If you were a fan, then this announcement is evidence that WB was pleased with it. If you weren't a fan, then this announcement is evidence that WB might not have been pleased with it. Personally I lean more towards the latter.

To all the people that loved Man Of Steel. To all the people who don't believe this announcement is evidence that WB was displeased with it's performance. To all the people who are actually on board with the direction WB has ultimately decided to take, I'd like to ask you a few questions.

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Please answer honestly, and for now just answer with yes or no. We'll get into discussion later.


1. Prior to yesterday's announcement and after having seen Man Of Steel for yourself, was there ever a point in which you felt the next logical progression for that character and that story to take in the sequel involved Batman? (Yes/No)

2. Fans touted this new Man Of Steel series would act as this generation's definitive cinematic representation of the Superman mythos. Do you believe that Batman is essential to telling that mythos? (Yes/No)

3. Assume that Man Of Steel had grossed close to a billion dollars worldwide by the end of it's theatrical run. Let's say in the neighborhood of $900-$950 million. And let's also assume it was a lot less divisive. Let's say it was incredibly well received by critics and fans alike and it's RT rating sat around 88%-90%. Assuming all of that were true, does WB still go ahead and put Batman in the sequel? (Yes/No)

4. Do you think WB's decision to fast track their own DC shared universe is largely out of pressure put on them by Marvel and the absolute monster phenomenon that was The Avengers? (Yes/No)

5. Do you think that it's a wise move to try and reintroduce general audiences to a new cinematic Batman a mere three years after Nolan's enormously successful series has seen it's end? (Yes/No)


I'm curious as to how some of you answer those questions.

Well put.

As much as I loved MOS, I can still be objective. This is not true of some of the more 'blinded fanboys' out there.

BTW: I am not saying MOS was a flop (as the blind fanboys would definitely pound on anyone who detracts even slightly from 'oh, most is the grestest film of all time and no one dare speak ill of it in any manner whatsoever'), but rather that the flaws in it was great enough that I think WB is secretly afraid that they can't make MOS 2 work (the tomb raider effect). MOS as itself, has made back it's money, and in that, it's a success, financially. Not so sure if it's reached all the GA it needed to. In fact, even among the GA, the reception is pretty mixed. (anyone who says otherwise is also conning themselves).

 

[spider-neil]

WB did what they did because after the exit of Nolan's Batman, they conclusion of Harry Potter and the eventual conclusion of Hobbit they want another billion dollar tent pole and that wasn't going to be a MoS solo movie. Justice League is too complex so they made a comprimise. It may not be great for the Superman fans but logicially and financially it makes sense.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Well put.

As much as I loved MOS, I can still be objective. This is not true of some of the more 'blinded fanboys' out there.

BTW: I am not saying MOS was a flop (as the blind fanboys would definitely pound on anyone who detracts even slightly from 'oh, most is the grestest film of all time and no one dare speak ill of it in any manner whatsoever'), but rather that the flaws in it was great enough that I think WB is secretly afraid that they can't make MOS 2 work (the tomb raider effect). MOS as itself, has made back it's money, and in that, it's a success, financially. Not so sure if it's reached all the GA it needed to. In fact, even among the GA, the reception is pretty mixed. (anyone who says otherwise is also conning themselves).

Then I must be ****ing conning myself because the GA was NOT mixed. This wasn't a Returns situation. Surf through the posts last night and read my post and many others explaining why the GA generally liked MOS but didnt overwhelmingly love it.
You are being over dramatic when you make a claim like that. What the critics thought and what moviegoers thought were two different views

I hate being "that" guy who posts numbers but here we go
It has a 77% user rated approval on IMDB and RT
It has a 7.9 rating on Metacritic.
Now, you can't fully judge the general public's view towards a film solely on three movie rating sites. BUT, it's a good gage that expresses how a movie is most likely felt by the general public.

Was MOS absolutely, unanimously loved by the public ? No
But I don't think it was mixed either. They thought it was good but not amazing.
I think the majority of the public favorably "liked" the film. Not as much as they liked IM of Batman Begins though. And I don't think MOS is personally as good as BB or IM if we are being honest

And btw, your fanboy comment ? NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. So stop generalizing all the members on here to fit your argument. I don't recall anyone saying that the film is perfect and a masterpiece. It ain't a masterpiece, it wasn't overwhelmingly loved by the GA. But it also isn't all gloomy and mopey like you are making the reaction sound.

Good lord, perception of events is just as subjective as film is I suppose.
To each their own. I'm not going to pull a Question/Marvin situation and argue over pages and pages. You are more than entitled to your opinion.

 

[titansupes]

WB did what they did because after the exit of Nolan's Batman, they conclusion of Harry Potter and the eventual conclusion of Hobbit they want another billion dollar tent pole and that wasn't going to be a MoS solo movie. Justice League is too complex so they made a comprimise. It may not be great for the Superman fans but logicially and financially it makes sense.

I believe this is what happened. They're all but out of huge franchises, they know that the shared universe thing is a big deal thanks to Marvel Studios, and they know they're rapidly running out time. Now that MoS got a foothold with the general public, they made the biggest move they can to get to JL (and have a notable movie in the big 2015 line-up).

 

[STARMAN]

I kinda agree with Spider-neil and TitanSupes.