Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - Part 13

[ConnorKon-El]

I believe this is what happened. They're all but out of huge franchises, they know that the shared universe thing is a big deal thanks to Marvel Studios, and they know they're rapidly running out time. Now that MoS got a foothold with the general public, they made the biggest move they can to get to JL (and have a notable movie in the big 2015 line-up).

Absolutely. Go big or go home is what they are thinking and I don't blame them. They don't have the luxury of waiting and putting out solo sequels for their characters. And as much as i love Superman, i don't think MOS2 solo could have made a billion.
This was the only thing they could do to even contend with MARVEL.

 

[Skrilla31]

Look you can interpret the facts any way you please. Whether you believe MOS was a smash hit at the box office or whether you thought it underperformed is irrelevant. All we can gauge from this recent turn of events is that WB probably expected more out of it.

I just got around to listening to the Modern Myth Media podcast and one of them made a very good point. This whole idea of throwing Batman into the movie feels more reactionary than anything. It doesn't feel organic. It doesn't feel like something we've been building to. It doesn't feel totally right. It feels like WB panicked and pulled the trigger so that they don't fall behind in the race with Marvel.

And again had MOS grossed closer to that precious billion dollar benchmark, and had it been a little more universally praised... then perhaps they would have had the confidence to wait it out and go forth with the standalone MOS sequel. And then maybe that take a note out of Marvel's book and start churning out the solo films for the rest of the Justice League roster and reboot Batman sometime in 2016 or 2017. I think deep down they were hoping Man Of Steel would have allowed them that luxury.

 

[BH/HHH]

Absolutely. Go big or go home is what they are thinking and I don't blame them. They don't have the luxury of waiting and putting out solo sequels for their characters. And as much as i love Superman, i don't think MOS2 solo could have made a billion.
This was the only thing they could do to even contend with MARVEL.

Exactly and its the same thing Fox are doing with DOFP, yes they've been fortunate to have several X-Men films out in the past but the Avengers has changed the game (even though some contiously say it isn't a game changer).

 

[ConnorKon-El]

This whole idea of throwing Batman into the movie feels more reactionary than anything. It doesn't feel organic. It doesn't feel like something we've been building to. It doesn't feel totally right. It feels like WB panicked and pulled the trigger so that they don't fall behind in the race with Marvel.

I agree.

All we can gauge from this recent turn of events is that WB probably expected more out of it.

MOS met their expectations just fine. Don't worry ! It's fine WB is and was honestly just impatient to start their dc universe. They want to have the best shot at competing with MARVEL

And again had MOS grossed closer to that precious billion dollar benchmark,

It was never going to gross a billion dollars worldwide and anyone who thought that has no sense of level-headedness

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Look you can interpret the facts any way you please. Whether you believe MOS was a smash hit at the box office or whether you thought it underperformed is irrelevant. All we can gauge from this recent turn of events is that WB probably expected more out of it.

I just got around to listening to the Modern Myth Media podcast and one of them made a very good point. This whole idea of throwing Batman into the movie feels more reactionary than anything. It doesn't feel organic. It doesn't feel like something we've been building to. It doesn't feel totally right. It feels like WB panicked and pulled the trigger so that they don't fall behind in the race with Marvel.

And again had MOS grossed closer to that precious billion dollar benchmark, and had it been a little more universally praised... then perhaps they would have had the confidence to wait it out and go forth with the standalone MOS sequel. And then maybe that take a note out of Marvel's book and start churning out the solo films for the rest of the Justice League roster and reboot Batman sometime in 2016 or 2017. I think deep down they were hoping Man Of Steel would have allowed them that luxury.

But is MOS2/WF that much different from what Marvel did with IM2? Sure it was called IM2 but how much of that movie was compiled of SHIELD stuff and setting up the Avengers? That movie was more a setup than it was a focus on just the Iron Man character. There have been a lot of complaints about that movie because of that. Yet, Marvel gets praised for their plan(rightfully so). But IM2 and the SHIELD storyline was a part of that plan. In this case, it is Batman stepping into the Superman world.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Exactly and its the same thing Fox are doing with DOFP, yes they've been fortunate to have several X-Men films out in the past but the Avengers has changed the game (even though some contiously say it isn't a game changer).

Avengers was absolutely a game changer. Anyone who denies that is not in touch with the reality of action and superhero films. It raised the bar.

 

[Skrilla31]

It was never going to gross a billion dollars worldwide and anyone who thought that has no sense of level-headedness

Well then you can lump me into that group. I won't lie. In the month or so leading up to the film, I thought it was going to absolutely destroy. The trailers, the marketing, the buzz... it was just too damn good. And it was one of the more aggressive campaigns I had seen a long, long time. I was expecting an absolute juggernaut. Not only that, but I was expecting a an amazing movie that was going to garner an extremely positive WOM. The idea of this thing making a billion really didn't sound like a pipe dream to me at the time.

And then I saw the movie, and then I knew that was never gonna happen.

But is MOS2/WF that much different from what Marvel did with IM2? Sure it was called IM2 but how much of that movie was compiled of SHIELD stuff and setting up the Avengers? That movie was more a setup than it was a focus on just the Iron Man character. There have been a lot of complaints about that movie because of that. Yet, Marvel gets praised for their plan(rightfully so). But IM2 and the SHIELD storyline was a part of that plan. In this case, it is Batman stepping into the Superman world

You're right, Iron Man 2 was a glorified Avengers commercial. But it's not like they threw in any of the major players. No Cap, no Thor, no Hulk. The main protagonist of Iron Man 2 was still Iron Man. The stuff with SHIELD was all just more world building. I highly, highly doubt that Batman's role in the next Superman movie is going to be anywhere near as minimal as Black Widow's was in Iron Man 2. WB is going to promote the s*** out of that dual logo and they are going to market this as the Superman/Batman movie. Batman won't just be a supporting character. You could bet that at the very least he'll have his own major subplot, probably culminating in a final showdown where he's fighting side by side with Superman.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

The marketing campaign was absolutely top notch. It made the majority of the GA excited about Superman again, a character that is often the butt of jokes how he's uninteresting and unrelatable. I saw so many "Nolan made Superman cool" comments on social sites whenever trailers premiered.

 

[JKKS085]

Again the boxoffice speaks for it's self, the movie broke the june opening in the USA and boasted massive opening in other big markets like china, france, UK, mexico and Australia with very solid openings in SK, Brazil and spain.

Not exactly. The movie sold around 1 million tickets during its first week in France wich puts it in the range of what The Amazing-Spider-Man and X-Men First Class sold and just a bit above Thor's opening week. And it's under World War Z and Despicable Me 2 numbers by a huge margin. So even if it's a solid performance that surely doesn't qualify as a "massive opening".

Now the movie's legs were all over the place holding solid in uk, france, china and Aus while dropping off massively in mexico and SK [...]

Not quite, the movie did more than half of it's business during its first week and then kinda tanked quickly wich is unusual for the french BO. That's why despite an opening week comparable to TASM's, it will end up with significantly lower figures.
Once again the movie will end up with solid numbers all in all (especially when you account for the criminal lack of marketing), far above Superman Returns but nothing spectacular either.

 

[Pepito38]

Not exactly. The movie sold around 1 million tickets during its first week in France wich puts it in the range of what The Amazing-Spider-Man and X-Men First Class sold and just a bit above Thor's opening week. And it's under World War Z and Despicable Me 2 numbers by a huge margin. So even if it's a solid performance that surely doesn't qualify as a "massive opening".



Not quite, the movie did more than half of it's business during its first week and then kinda tanked quickly wich is unusual for the french BO. That's why despite an opening week comparable to TASM's, it will end up with significantly lower figures.
Once again the movie will end up with solid numbers all in all (especially when you account for the criminal lack of marketing), far above Superman Returns but nothing spectacular either.

Here in France, Superman never really rocked the BO numbers. So yes, the first week of the movie is really good. Superman Returns did really bad in 2006. So even if it is not spectacular, it is solid for a sequel (in comparison to Batman Begins for example).

 

[JKKS085]

The comparision with Superman Returns is not really relevant since the french market really opened to cbm's (other than Spider-Man) in 2008. SR did good with what the market had to offer back in 2006 and may I add with a better hold than MoS.

 

[spider-neil]

The inclusion of Batman may have been planned for while.

Think about it;

a) Half of Metropolis is destoyed
b) Superman killed someone with his bare hands
c) Superman's people almost took over the planet

a) There has to be a plot to rebuild the city
b) There has to be a plot that deals with the consequences of murder (or whatever you want to call it)
c) There has to be a plot line that deals with the paranoia and distrust towards an all powerful alien

Lex, Bruce/Batman can deal with all of this and further if scripted well (looking at you Goyer) may actually seem organic and planned.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The inclusion of Batman may have been planned for while.

Think about it;

a) Half of Metropolis is destoyed
b) Superman killed someone with his bare hands
c) Superman's people almost took over the planet

a) There has to be a plot to rebuild the city
b) There has to be a plot that deals with the consequences of murder (or whatever you want to call it)
c) There has to be a plot line that deals with the paranoia and distrust towards an all powerful alien

Lex, Bruce/Batman can deal with all of this and further if scripted well (looking at you Goyer) may actually seem organic and planned.

Plus, one of his satellites was taken out. t:

I do hope this was more of a creative decision on Snyder and Goyer's part than it was WB just wanting to stick him in. I still would have preferred just MOS2 but this has potential if done right.

 

[kguillou]

My concern is, are we at the point now where if a movie doesn't gross a billion $ its considered a failure? Last time i checked grossing more 630 mill was an awesome number for any movie. Was Warner really expecting this Dark Knight numbers for this?

 

[kalhawj]

At this point since we got our sequel to MOS + bonus with Batman in the film I'm couldn't be happier. What ever MOS make at the end of it's run I'm happy no matter what... It was a successful reboot that launch the franchise and DC share universe.

Off topic a little The Wolverine is now at 65% RT score... At this early on to have this score it looks like it'll fall under 60% or lower once the movie is release. It will finish it's score rotten. Seems like it's not liked by critics just like how MOS wasn't liked by them either yet MOS was awesome and love by GA. I still have faith it'll pull the same as MOS to be successful at the BO.

 

[Sup3rman81]

My concern is, are we at the point now where if a movie doesn't gross a billion $ its considered a failure? Last time i checked grossing more 630 mill was an awesome number for any movie. Was Warner really expecting this Dark Knight numbers for this?

According to the guy who runs batman on film, bof.com, he told me that he knows for a fact WB was expecting MOS to have better legs for sure. They are happy it's a hit but felt it could have made more. I told him thats arrogant of WB. This movie broke records and set WB records OS. It hasn't even opened in Japan and has made over 630m WW. It went up against some strong movies. I feel the success of WWZ hurt MOS more than MU. If WWZ had bombed then MOS goes #2 in week 2 and probably earns about 25-30m more that weekend.

 

[Marvin]

Look you can interpret the facts any way you please...

And again had MOS grossed closer to that precious billion dollar benchmark, and had it been a little more universally praised... then perhaps they would have had the confidence to wait it out and go forth with the standalone MOS sequel. And then maybe that take a note out of Marvel's book and start churning out the solo films for the rest of the Justice League roster and reboot Batman sometime in 2016 or 2017. I think deep down they were hoping Man Of Steel would have allowed them that luxury.

Curious how much more than other successful relaunches(or just launches) would MOS have had to make before WB considered it a big solid hit I wonder...

There is no MOS stand alone film that makes more than avengers. Just look at what Avengers did to the biggest batman films....Sure this reactionary but it says absolutely nothing about what the execs think of MOS outside of the fact that it's viable.

When the rumor came out that WB was going to announce this I made it known that I would have rather a solo first(still do), I feel that way being completely ignorant of what the studio wants to do with their universe. I mean one has to honestly ask themselves how many times they've heard people say that Marvel is kicking WB's ass... and they did it without giving more than half their line up proper sequels.. Maybe it's time WB starts to get some of that praise. This is a great opportunity to reboot batman and move forward with things, and unlike jla, this can very much still be superman's film. To argue otherwise would be akin to not wanting lex in the movie cause he might steal the film too.

 

[Skrilla31]

The inclusion of Batman may have been planned for while.

Think about it;

a) Half of Metropolis is destoyed
b) Superman killed someone with his bare hands
c) Superman's people almost took over the planet

a) There has to be a plot to rebuild the city
b) There has to be a plot that deals with the consequences of murder (or whatever you want to call it)
c) There has to be a plot line that deals with the paranoia and distrust towards an all powerful alien

Lex, Bruce/Batman can deal with all of this and further if scripted well (looking at you Goyer) may actually seem organic and planned.

There is absolutely 0% chance this was planned. If WB had even the smallest inkling that they would be moving forward with Batman in the sequel, you could bet your ass there would have been a direct reference to it in MOS. Not an easter egg, not a Wayne Enterprises satellite that barely anyone is going to notice. That's not something you "tease". That's something you promote.

 

[Sup3rman81]

At this point since we got our sequel to MOS + bonus with Batman in the film I'm couldn't be happier. What ever MOS make at the end of it's run I'm happy no matter what... It was a successful reboot that launch the franchise and DC share universe.

Off topic a little The Wolverine is now at 65% RT score... At this early on to have this score it looks like it'll fall under 60% or lower once the movie is release. It will finish it's score rotten. Seems like it's not liked by critics just like how MOS wasn't liked by them either yet MOS was awesome and love by GA. I still have faith it'll pull the same as MOS to be successful at the BO.

Yep MOS2 will be the summer movie of 2015. I think depending on the script Star Wars will be #2 and Avengers #3. I just feel A2 will drop because the initial shock of a team movie is over. Plus a lot of people are not familiar with Ultron outside of the comic community.

 

[Sup3rman81]

Curious how much more than other successful relaunches(or just launches) would MOS have had to make before WB considered it a big solid hit I wonder...

There is no MOS stand alone film that makes more than avengers. Just look at what Avengers did to the biggest batman films....Sure this reactionary but it says absolutely nothing about what the execs think of MOS outside of the fact that it's viable.

When the rumor came out that WB was going to announce this I made it known that I would have rather a solo first(still do), I feel that way being completely ignorant of what the studio wants to do with their universe. I mean one has to honestly ask themselves how many times they've heard people say that Marvel is kicking WB's ass... and they did it without giving more than half their line up proper sequels.. Maybe it's time WB starts to get some of that praise. This is a great opportunity to reboot batman and move forward with things, and unlike jla, this can very much still be superman's film. To argue otherwise would be akin to not wanting lex in the movie cause he might steal the film too.

I feel MOS 2 is a stand alone but bringing Batman in helps set up JLA and it is something fans have wanted to see. I am just happy to see Cavill and company back.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Then I must be ****ing conning myself because the GA was NOT mixed. This wasn't a Returns situation. Surf through the posts last night and read my post and many others explaining why the GA generally liked MOS but didnt overwhelmingly love it.
You are being over dramatic when you make a claim like that. What the critics thought and what moviegoers thought were two different views


And btw, your fanboy comment ? NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. So stop generalizing all the members on here to fit your argument. I don't recall anyone saying that the film is perfect and a masterpiece. It ain't a masterpiece, it wasn't overwhelmingly loved by the GA. But it also isn't all gloomy and mopey like you are making the reaction sound.

Good lord, perception of events is just as subjective as film is I suppose.
To each their own. I'm not going to pull a Question/Marvin situation and argue over pages and pages. You are more than entitled to your opinion.

Don't bother, he's already been told this. He's not going to accept it.

 

[kalhawj]

Yep MOS2 will be the summer movie of 2015. I think depending on the script Star Wars will be #2 and Avengers #3. I just feel A2 will drop because the initial shock of a team movie is over. Plus a lot of people are not familiar with Ultron outside of the comic community.

If MOS 2 can top MOS with an epic script and story you can mark it that it will be the movie of 2015 and perhaps even out gross Avenger and Star Wars... When this news was announce all forums went bunker over this and top anything that was announce at ComicCon. I expect record breaking viewing OW for MOS: Superman/Batman. At it's worst it will still make 1 billion because you have both Superman and Batman in the same movie that everyone wants to see.

 

[Skrilla31]

There is no MOS stand alone film that makes more than avengers.

Nothing was going to make more than Avengers. I'm not even sure if adding Batman into the mix changes that. I just think they see this as an opportunity to get their foot in the door to maybe turn a few heads. I just think they wanna compete with Marvel for now. Perhaps they thought time was running out and it was now or never.

But trust me, if they honestly believed they could have gotten a lot more out of a solo Superman series... they would have.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Don't bother, he's already been told this. He's not going to accept it.

It's a lot of, "well I felt this way about the movie so that means the rest of the general audience did as well." I love MOS and thought it was great but in no way am I delusional in thinking the rest of audience feels that way too. It's pretty clear the reaction for this movie, gauging audience reaction polls on various sites, has been good.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Nothing was going to make more than Avengers. I'm not even sure if adding Batman into the mix changes that. I just think they see this as an opportunity to get their foot in the door to maybe turn a few heads. I just think they wanna compete with Marvel for now. Perhaps they thought time was running out and it was now or never.

But trust me, if they honestly believed they could have gotten a lot more out of a solo Superman series... they would have.

Avengers 2?