Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - Part 13

[ConnorKon-El]

According to the guy who runs batman on film, bof.com, he told me that he knows for a fact WB was expecting MOS to have better legs for sure. They are happy it's a hit but felt it could have made more. I told him thats arrogant of WB. This movie broke records and set WB records OS. It hasn't even opened in Japan and has made over 630m WW. It went up against some strong movies. I feel the success of WWZ hurt MOS more than MU. If WWZ had bombed then MOS goes #2 in week 2 and probably earns about 25-30m more that weekend.

Of course they wished it had better legs. We all did. But are they really that surprised it didn't hold better than it did when they gave it a medicore release date, with big films coming out the next three weeks that were going to take it's business and screens away.
And if Warner Studios really expected MOS to make a billion dollars WW, something completely unheard of for a reboot and coming off of a lackluster film that was deemed unsatisfactory by the GA, then they are more out of touch with reality then I thought.

 

[kalhawj]

Nothing was going to make more than Avengers. I'm not even sure if adding Batman into the mix changes that. I just think they see this as an opportunity to get their foot in the door to maybe turn a few heads. I just think they wanna compete with Marvel for now. Perhaps they thought time was running out and it was now or never.

But trust me, if they honestly believed they could have gotten a lot more out of a solo Superman series... they would have.

Yes Avatar 1 did and so will Avatar 2. I rather have MOS2 with Batman be the underdog so when it does surpass Avenger it would be that much sweeter... Also Avenger is a team up movie so of course no solo movie can out gross it... But if Batman can pull 1 billion and MOS origin can pull 650-700 million WW don't be surprise it gross 1.5-2 billion WW.

 

[Skrilla31]

But if Batman can pull 1 billion and MOS origin can pull 650-700 million WW don't be surprise it it gross 1.5-2 billion.

It's a new Batman no one is familiar with though. That has to count for something. I know he's an iconic figure but seeing a new Batman out there so soon after the last movie is going to confuse a lot of people.

I guess we won't know the extent of MOS's power until the home video sales are in. That will give us all a better idea where the film stood with audiences. If it manages to do well, I guess a billion is certainly possible. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Marvin]

Nothing was going to make more than Avengers. I'm not even sure if adding Batman into the mix changes that. I just think they see this as an opportunity to get their foot in the door to maybe turn a few heads. I just think they wanna compete with Marvel for now. Perhaps they thought time was running out and it was now or never.

But trust me, if they honestly believed they could have gotten a lot more out of a solo Superman series... they would have.

Looking at the opening to IM3, and the 3D inflation free opening to TDKR, I think the opening record is within reach, either way it will open higher than those two i assume you would agree with that.

I trust that what ever they think they can get out of a superman solo means little in the face of what they think they can get out of a crossover. The problem is because we don't live in a universe where WB is forced to compete on a grand scale(in terms of market share), we have to now deal with people using this opportunity to validate what they think of MOS1.

If avengers didn't exist and WB did this, you'd have a solid grounds to argue and I'd be right there with you.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Looking at the opening to IM3, and the 3D inflation free opening to TDKR, I think the opening record is within reach, either way it will open higher than those two i assume you would agree with that.

I trust that what ever they think they can get out of a superman solo means little in the face of what they think they can get out of a crossover. The problem is because we don't live in a universe where WB is forced to compete on a grand scale(in terms of market share), we have to now deal with people using this opportunity to validate what they think of MOS1.

If avengers didn't exist and WB did this, you'd have a solid grounds to argue and I'd be right there with you.

I absolutely agree.
I can't really be mad at WB's decision.
And some people are blaming Snyder.
"ZACK SNYDER IS A LIAR ! HE SAID IN A INTERVIEW A FEW MONTHS AGO HE THINKS YOU NEED TO FURTHER ESTABLISH SUPERMAN AND MAKE MORE SOLO FILMS !"
Yes and I'm sure he wishes he could do that and take everything at a nice pace. But correct me if I'm wrong, but is Zack Snyder in charge of WB studios ?

 

[Super Kal]

he was pressured by Warner Bros to push for a JL film... shame on him for caving in

 

[Marvin]

I've read tons so spidey books in which he encounters some other Marvel character(hulk/wolverine/dr strange etc). Those books were very much spiderman stories. I'm hoping for similar here with Superman.

I still think this is a good compromise. Just think of how RDJ got short shafted in Avengers and then imagine if he was in a Ironman/Cap movie instead.

 

[Marvin]

I absolutely agree.
I can't really be mad at WB's decision.
And some people are blaming Snyder.
"ZACK SNYDER IS A LIAR ! HE SAID IN A INTERVIEW A FEW MONTHS AGO HE THINKS YOU NEED TO FURTHER ESTABLISH SUPERMAN AND MAKE MORE SOLO FILMS !"
Yes and I'm sure he wishes he could do that and take everything at a nice pace. But correct me if I'm wrong, but is Zack Snyder in charge of WB studios ?

Snyder will always be blamed for stuff.
Interesting that he caved in a way Nolan didn't, but he seems very excited about it, which is all I ask for.

 

[Skrilla31]

I can't really be mad at WB's decision.

I believe they're justified in their decision, but it doesn't mean I'm happy with it.

It's not about being mad at Snyder, or Goyer, or anyone. It's the fact that WB has decided to take the helm and reduce them all to hired guns. So quite frankly it doesn't matter what they initially planned to do. Now it's their job to just make sure those dots connect.

It's not about making the best possible movie anymore. Now it's about salvaging whatever they can given what WB gives them to work with. And in my opinion that really sucks. Because like I said, you only get one shot at this. For something as monumental as the first ever Superman/Batman movie... I'm sorry, this isn't the way to go about it. It just isn't.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Snyder will always be blamed for stuff.
Interesting that he caved in a way Nolan didn't, but he seems very excited about it, which is all I ask for.

Yes it is. I'm still surprised Nolan is on as an executive producer *which is the equivalent of letting WB use his name in promo and receive a fat check*
I remember him saying he would never be creatively involved in another incarnation of Batman yet here we are. Then again it's more of a Superman film but I digress.
Zack does seem excited and he should be. It's Batman and Superman together.
Look, I don't think anyone is arguing here that this is the best and ideal way to make a Bat/Sup film because it isn't but the fact of the matter is it's happening and I would be lying if I said I wasn't excited.

 

[blumatic]

This decision is the culmination of years, decades of trouble Superman has encountered. Batman has been number for more that 20 years. Superman has suffered an identity crisis. There have been so many changes and reboots in the Comics to boost the characters popularity. In film it's been development hell so he remains in 1978. SR fails by using the elements of the best Superman movie in 78 thus dimming Superman's once shining star to weakening candle light.

MOS then tries to make up for all of Superman's troubled history in one very ambitious film but it ends up taking a big swing and miss for a significant portion of the fanbase.

And now for any chance of survival Superman remains at the mercy of the Batman.

 

[Skrilla31]

Look, I don't think anyone is arguing here that this is the best and ideal way to make a Bat/Sup film because it isn't but the fact of the matter is it's happening and I would be lying if I said I wasn't excited.

They had my money regardless. No matter how much I whine and complain, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because I'm gonna give these guys my money. To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, "I'll eat it but I don't have to like it."

What annoys me is that whilst I thought MOS was a flaming pile of dogs***, that doesn't mean I didn't have hope for a sequel. I didn't think Batman Begins was too good either but The Dark Knight improved on almost every aspect of it. In fact The Dark Knight kind of works on it's own way. I mean I know it's a sequel but it's also kind of a soft reboot in the sense it doesn't stand on the legs of Batman Begins in any way, shape or form. I was kind of hoping that MOS 2 would afford me that same luxury. Lol granted I'm not sure if that was ever going to happen under Snyder and Goyer's watch... but I was hopeful.

But this? This is all just... wrong. And most importantly, it feels like wasted potential. And that's the biggest crime.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

They had my money regardless. No matter how much I whine and complain, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because I'm gonna give these guys my money. To quote the great Cosmo Kramer, "I'll eat it but I don't have to like it."

What annoys me is that whilst I thought MOS was a flaming pile of dogs***, that doesn't mean I didn't have hope for a sequel. I didn't think Batman Begins was too good either but The Dark Knight improved on almost every aspect of it. In fact The Dark Knight kind of works on it's own way. I mean I know it's a sequel but it's also kind of a soft reboot in the sense it doesn't stand on the legs of Batman Begins in any way, shape or form. I was kind of hoping that MOS 2 would afford me that same luxury. Lol granted I'm not sure if that was ever going to happen under Snyder and Goyer's watch... but I was hopeful.

But this? This is all just... wrong. And most importantly, it feels like wasted potential. And that's the biggest crime.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

You know, a year ago I would have told you that Batman Begins was the weakest of the trilogy but the more I watch Rises, the more I'm leaning towards Rises being the weakest.
*shrug*
They are three good films regardless so it doesn't matter at the end of the day

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I like all three. TDKR is probably the weakest of the trilogy, but it's still a great movie.

 

[Marvin]

Still haven't heard anyone argue that Avengers in anyway hurt cap/thor(in the grand scheme).
Especially after their impressive con panels this year, just saying.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I liked the first CA
Thought Thor was decent
Yet I really don't have a massive interest to see either's sequels.
But anyway The Avengers didn't hurt the two characters in any shape or form. They got there solo sequel

 

[Rowsdower!]

Oh, you might have to look pretty hard to find it, but I'm sure there's at least one fanboy out there who thinks that The Avengers ruined Cap but not giving him a mask that lets his ears stick out.

 

[spider-neil]

I agree with him. BB left no impression on me whatsoever and didn't care about a sequel. Everything I love about TDK (my favorite CBM of all time) has next to nothing to do with Batman Begins.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I agree with him. BB left no impression on me whatsoever and didn't care about a sequel. Everything I love about TDK (my favorite CBM of all time) has next to nothing to do with Batman Begins.

Just goes to show you how subjective film is.
Cool for you.
Glad you liked TDK though.

 

[spider-neil]

Just goes to show you how subjective film is.
Cool for you.
Glad you liked TDK though.

I think you can count the people who don't like TDK on one hand not including the thumb.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I think you can count the people who don't like TDK on one hand not including the thumb.

You would be surprised lol.
As acclaimed as a film is, it always has it's fair share of people unimpressed.

 

[Skrilla31]

You know, a year ago I would have told you that Batman Begins was the weakest of the trilogy but the more I watch Rises, the more I'm leaning towards Rises being the weakest.
*shrug*
They are three good films regardless so it doesn't matter at the end of the day

I thought Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises were both bad movies but for TOTALLY different reasons altogether.

But if you're asking me which one I'd rather watch, then it's Rises.

 

[Sup3rman81]

If MOS 2 can top MOS with an epic script and story you can mark it that it will be the movie of 2015 and perhaps even out gross Avenger and Star Wars... When this news was announce all forums went bunker over this and top anything that was announce at ComicCon. I expect record breaking viewing OW for MOS: Superman/Batman. At it's worst it will still make 1 billion because you have both Superman and Batman in the same movie that everyone wants to see.

Yep I dont think anyone expected MOS to top Avengers but a MOS2 with Batman is a strong contender to be the movie of 2015. I agree it will make 1B but it needs to make IM3 numbers at the least. This is Superman and Batman. If they cant beat IM3 then DC has no hope

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I thought Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises were both bad movies but for TOTALLY different reasons altogether.

But if you're asking me which one I'd rather watch, then it's Rises.

Just out of curiously, what's your favorite Superhero film ? I'm intrigued.