Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - - Part 14

[sf2]

Yup same here. I have dragged a couple dozen people to see the movie. The reaction is pretty mixed. From 10% who are like me, who absolutely LOVED it, but also saw some problems with the movie (like the pacing, flashbacks which were cut short mostly, lack of hope/fun, too gloomy/emo), but majority thought it was just 'so-so', and the bottom 15% hated it...



My sentiments exactly. It's not a flop financially. WB made back it's money, and that's saying something. Nowadays, most movies don't make back their costs. So, in that regard, it's a success for sure.
I'll
But this is WB's BIG GUN Summer Blockbuster, their tent-pole, and I am sure they are disappointed with the total numbers. They are probably secretly expecting 800M and above. And I actually blame them because the movie as is could easily have made it to 800M or more, if they had picked a better release date, and actually spent some of those dimes / efforts marketing it well overseas (like how IM3 marketed itself). They spent a lot of money marketing Pacific Rim overseas, and i think those money is better spent marketing MOS. With better marketing/better time slot (say PR's time slot and PR's OS marketing budget), WB would have secured their 800M.




I find that on forums such as this (it's called MAN OF STEEL for a reason), beware if you're trying to be honest and objective. Most here hate it if anyone dare say that MOS is not PERFECTLY GREAT as is...

I personally loved the movie, yet, my eyes are opened.. the GA is not totally enamored with it.. I wish there were though,... the stats are all out there for all to see (those who can see that is, and not make excuses for it)... if the GA all really liked it like some FANBOYS would have you think, then it would not have dropped 70% one week, 60% another, and dropping so much week after week... sure, it's a crowded Summer, but still, this is approaching world record drop rate... other movies are also in the same boat but did not drop as quickly....

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Anyways, since I love the movie, today decided to drag more ppl to watch it... this time on regular 2D. This is my 4th viewing, still liked it, but it can't even come close to watching it on Imax 3D...

My brother hated it... but the rest thought it was ok...

There's only ONE screen left in my city (from the 2 major Cinema Operators in my country).. and 2 showings/day. And only 30% full.

I kinda know your frustration to see IM3 having more show times than MOS.
MOS doesn't have good legs. It's ok to me. Because I know it's a great movie. And all my friends n relatives who have watched it liked it and enjoyed it. superman has a lot of fans but compare to GA, there are only a small number. And I know a lot of people refuse to watch MOS because it's a superman film. Too bad the hype wasn't great enough to draw their interest. I think it's also one of the reasons they insert in batman in the sequel.

 

[Skrilla31]

And reboots don't make billions and if WB expects a billion every time they attempted a reboot then batman begins (cost a 150 million +100 mill marketing) would've been considered a financial disaster but the studio was pleased with the critical reception for the film and the solid DVD sales and a sequel was green lit.
This goes for all reboots (non of which even touched the billion, not even a masterpiece like casino royale). Reboots are made to establish some faith in the franchise and then attempt to break records with the sequels

This isn't a Batman Begins scenario. The superhero movie genre was in a much different place in 2005 than it was in 2013. Not only that, but this was long before the pressures of kicking off a DC universe were established. The studio didn't have nearly as much hopes pinned on Batman Begins as they did Man Of Steel. It was really the first modern day "reboot" of it's kind, so no one really knew what to expect.

The fact is Batman Begins got people buzzing in a way Man Of Steel hasn't, and the Joker card tease at the end really had fans giddy for a sequel. So while the film may not have been a financial giant by any stretch of the imagination, the fact is WB was left feeling very confident that a sequel could generate a lot of hype.

I don't think WB isn't going forward with a solo MOS sequel purely on the strength that it didn't gross a billion. It's a combination of things. It's the fact that they pumped everything they possibly could into this thing and it only grossed 650m. It's the negative critical response. Had it been a tad more universally adored, and had it grossed maybe 850m... then the studio would have more reason to believe the foundation had been laid for an enormously successful sequel... but that simply hasn't happened. The buzz just wasn't there. For a movie that opened that strong, it should have done better. Too many people were left unimpressed.

 

[STARMAN]

Batman Begins grew in popularity after it's initial box office run. It had huge DVD sales and a greater appreciation of the movie grew between it's release and the Dark Knight.

 

[Marvin]

... if the GA all really liked it like some FANBOYS would have you think, then it would not have dropped 70% one week, 60% another, and dropping so much week after week... sure, it's a crowded Summer...

Plz highlight other big successful films that have faced the immediate and particular competition that MOS has and then dropped less in the second week...
I know they are out there.

While your at it please don't neglect the big successful films that have faced less competition than MOS and yet dropped that same if not more percentile.
a clue, would perhaps be the harry potter hits or if memory serves hunger games...Just kinda frustrating to see this drop argument keep popping up when it's in clear ignorance of the circumstances.

It would be like saying why didn't MOS hold the top spot for even two weeks if it was so good? You know like other good movies do.

 

[robot]

There is no such thing as objectivity on these boards, you people throwing words like disappointment or I think the studio expected 800 without a shred of evidence and I keep asking the same question "if the film is a disappointment then why did WB tap the same team to direct their biggest film of 2015?" It's a simple question with a simple answer, because MOS is a profitable film that did what it set out to do, make money for the studio and open the gates for the larger DC universe. Could the movie have been more profitable, absolutely I think with a better release date it would've made more (how much more we'll never know) but when people on this board talk about "trades reports" on what a disappointment this film is when all legit boxoffice sites acknowledge that the film is a certified financial success but a mixed critical/public reaction thus contributing to larger subsequent drops.

Well, in the same logic, 'you people' who says WB is ecstatic has NO shred of evidence as well. Did you have a private conversation with the WB team?? Maybe a cup of coffee?

It's all an opinion... and like I said, 'I think' WB is a little disappointed... You don't have to agree...

And to answer your questions, you probably never run a company before. Just because a product is a 'little disappointing' doesn't mean you fire the entire team...

There could be lots of reasons. WB is a little disappointed with the results, but overall happy with the direction of Superman and the story line, and still believe the same team can come up with something better for instance instead of trying to 'reinvent' the wheel...

You have no idea what's going on behind the scene same as any of us here... perhaps WB is putting others into the mix to brainstorm.. and perhaps Batman was the result.. it's all speculation.. everyone here has an opinion...

It's fine to have an opinion.. it's not to go around calling everyone a troll who don't happen to agree with you...

The drop have been large I grant you and I'm the first person to tell you that the film has some glaring deficits in pacing and the third act is a mess thus contributing to mixed WOM and larger drops, but the june spot is just landmine for any summer film yet despite of that the film is the top grossing reboot domestically and the 3rd highest grossing movie of the summer, yet some trolls here still shout "disappointment!" LOL! these boards are hilarious honestly.
The people you've spoken to may not have liked it but almost everyone I spoke to loved the film, heck my best friend was a proud superman hater and now he's actually asking me to watch the original Chris Reeve movies with him.

Well, there you go.. your friends liked it, mine were mixed.. and lots of other people here have friends who were mixed as well.. online reviews, you can also see tons of mixed fan reviews... so, in the end, whatever it is, it's 'mixed'...

And the fact that the drop is MUCH higher than anything else we have seen gives you some idea... If it were universally loved as you put it, then it WON'T have the legs it has now... regardless of competition...

You can go on believing what you want to believe... no one cares.. but just don't go about putting other's down...

 

[robot]

Plz highlight other big successful films that have faced the immediate and particular competition that MOS has and then dropped less in the second week...
I know they are out there.

While your at it please don't neglect the big successful films that have faced less competition than MOS and yet dropped that same if not more percentile.
a clue, would perhaps be the harry potter hits or if memory serves hunger games...Just kinda frustrating to see this drop argument keep popping up when it's in clear ignorance of the circumstances.

It would be like saying why didn't MOS hold the top spot for even two weeks if it was so good? You know like other good movies do.

None of you thought WWZ was much of a competition at the beginning remember???

I even remembered argueing with people on here who don't believe MU would take away from MOS much and that kids would still prefer MOS over MU...

Suddenly now, it's the BIGGEST competition out there... ????

Looks like a lot of spinning to me...

The fact that in almost ALL OF HISTORY, MOS's drop is approaching HISTORIC level, still doesn't tell you something, means, we're on totally different plane of existence...

Believe as you would..

 

[Superchan]

Well, in the same logic, 'you people' who says WB is ecstatic has NO shred of evidence as well. Did you have a private conversation with the WB team?? Maybe a cup of coffee?

when did I say ecstatic? I said happy, there is a big difference, a billion would've made them ecstatic, 600 million plus would make them happy me thinks.

It's all an opinion... and like I said, 'I think' WB is a little disappointed... You don't have to agree...

Ok then.

And to answer your questions, you probably never run a company before. Just because a product is a 'little disappointing' doesn't mean you fire the entire team...

My brother does and I agree, you don't just jump the gun when something is supposedly disappointing but you would at least make some changes, WB didn't even hire another writer to help snyder and goyer out (I think they need ALOT of help with their story telling).

There could be lots of reasons. WB is a little disappointed with the results, but overall happy with the direction of Superman and the story line, and still believe the same team can come up with something better for instance instead of trying to 'reinvent' the wheel...

see my above post

You have no idea what's going on behind the scene same as any of us here... perhaps WB is putting others into the mix to brainstorm.. and perhaps Batman was the result.. it's all speculation.. everyone here has an opinion...

Actually I do, it may not be the ultimate inside source, but it's enough to satisfy me. And yes WB is still brainstorming (still don't know what to call the superman/batman film yet, still don't know what to do with wonderwoman etc....)

It's fine to have an opinion.. it's not to go around calling everyone a troll who don't happen to agree with you...

First you need to calm down and second I didn't call everybody who disagreed with me a troll, but all I see from some people on these boards is speculative talk stated as facts, yet not a shred of evidence is presented, I'm totally fine if people (like you are saying now) that we THINK that the film is a disapointment because of so and so but I see people saying that they read trade analysis about the movie's box office disappointment when credible box office sites like mojo and BO.com say otherwise.
And to be honest there are lots of trolls on these boards, way too many, disgruntled, bored fanboys who just want to get into d**k measuring contests for no reason, just to dis another person's favorite character, its quite sad.
But you know what this is obviously getting us no where, you guys are obviously going to continue to spell doom and gloom and go on and on about how superman is a failure and isn't popular (with assumptions and no clear evidence) and it's hilarious.....and honestly I just feel sorry for some of you (those of you who aren't just trolling) so good luck with it all. Peace out.

 

[Marvin]

The fact is Batman Begins got people buzzing in a way Man Of Steel hasn't, and the Joker card tease at the end really had fans giddy for a sequel. So while the film may not have been a financial giant by any stretch of the imagination, the fact is WB was left feeling very confident that a sequel could generate a lot of hype.

Actually it isn't anything even approaching a fact. But I suppose there are different rules on the internet.

Anyways all we really have is empirical data at this point(nothing else really). Numbers argue in MOS' favor.

I am curious however how well that Comic Con announcement would have went over if the reaction to MOS was as negative as some people claim. For example, how would people have reacted if they announced the Batman reboot was coming in the sequel to the 2011 Green Lantern film.

 

[robot]

I kinda know your frustration to see IM3 having more show times than MOS.
MOS doesn't have good legs. It's ok to me. Because I know it's a great movie. And all my friends n relatives who have watched it liked it and enjoyed it. superman has a lot of fans but compare to GA, there are only a small number. And I know a lot of people refuse to watch MOS because it's a superman film. Too bad the hype wasn't great enough to draw their interest. I think it's also one of the reasons they insert in batman in the sequel.

It is frustrating.. sometimes i wish people loved MOS as much as I did..

HAHA..

I did drag, and drag them to watch it...

It's even more frustrating that there were very little 'WOM' or 'friendly recommendation' among the GA, but there were a lot of 'don't bother watching it' going on as well...

Just the other day, i was trying to convince another person to watch it, and he told me his friends thought it as boring...

frustrating indeed....

 

[Skrilla31]

I am curious however how well that Comic Con announcement would have went over if the reaction to MOS was as negative as some people claim. For example, how would people have reacted if they announced the Batman reboot was coming in the sequel to the 2011 Green Lantern film.

Uh, look at the forum. Not everyone is giddy about the announcement.

 

[Marvin]

None of you thought WWZ was much of a competition at the beginning remember???

I even remembered argueing with people on here who don't believe MU would take away from MOS much and that kids would still prefer MOS over MU...

Suddenly now, it's the BIGGEST competition out there... ????

Looks like a lot of spinning to me...

What does that have to do with how big the film ended up being.
Not everyone thought avengers was going to do james cameron numbers, does that change the fact that it has done big numbers?

148mill of competition in a films second week isn't me spinning anything. You talking about no one saw that coming is.

History level drop? That sounds pretty dire.

 

[Marvin]

Uh, look at the forum. Not everyone is giddy about the announcement.

Was talking about comic con.
They have different levels of reactions to things there, such as the green lantern sequel for example.

 

[JOE]

It's sad that this thread is slowly dying due to the new Superman/Batman thread.

 

[Marvin]

It's sad that this thread is slowly dying due to the new Superman/Batman thread.

I find it promising.
It's what happens to the threads of successful franchises as the next installment is announced.

 

[robot]

What does that have to do with how big the film ended up being.
Not everyone thought avengers was going to do james cameron numbers, does that change the fact that it has done big numbers?

148mill of competition in a films second week isn't me spinning anything. You talking about no one saw that coming is.

History level drop? That sounds pretty dire.

How big the film ended up doing and how fast it's falling are two different things..

In case, you still don't get it:

1. How big it ended up doing opening weekend is due to the Superman brand/hype, and lots of fans (both superman and CBM fans).. and fans of general movies/action films, etc.

2. How fast it's dropping, tells you that the GA reaction is not as good as some here might want to portray...

And Number 2. is what we're argueing about..

NO ONE is saying MOS did not do well, BO wise... it's profitable, so business wise, it's done it's job...

 

[robot]

It's sad that this thread is slowly dying due to the new Superman/Batman thread.

Time to look forward to the next GREAT movie... it's still way too far off for me though..

I hate that all the good movies are only coming out 2015.. it's like they are all skipping 2014...

Star Wars 7, Superman vs Batman, Jurassic Park 4, Avatar 2 (hopefully), Avengers 2

 

[Skrilla31]

Was talking about comic con.
They have different levels of reactions to things there, such as the green lantern sequel for example.

Is a room full of uber fans and geeks really the right place to gauge a reaction? Of course the announcement of a Superman/Batman movie gonna blow the roof off the place.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the general reaction to MOS.

 

[MrMaooz]

A stick of bubble gum and first crack at Amy Adams

Well, I'm pretty sure he liked the last part.

 

[Marvin]

Is a room full of uber fans and geeks really the right place to gauge a reaction? Of course the announcement of a Superman/Batman movie gonna blow the roof off the place.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the general reaction to MOS.

Again, I was talking about the comic con reaction.

The general reaction if you must know is something that is determined by factors far outside this forum. Such as twitter and "trending", and Studio enthusiasm and such things I personally try to avoid talking about without having numbers.

I agree a room full of fans isn't the most objective measure, but when an announcement seemingly steals or competes with the thunder of an avengers announcement(and without the cast lined up on stage), I'd say it's a hit "at comic con". I say that because there is a scenario(such as MOS sucking as bad as green lantern) where the announcement isn't a hit. Everything that implies, which may mean alot or nothing to you, is simply what I'm stating. A bad mos film would not have got that reaction(imo).

 

[Marvin]

How big the film ended up doing and how fast it's falling are two different things..

Ok I think you are confusing things here.

I said WWZ(and MU) may have not been anticipated by fanboys to be all that big but they ended up being very much so. I am pointing out that what fanboys thought months before those films came out mans jack all in the face of what they actually did.
Therefore, when you suggest to me that

None of you thought WWZ was much of a competition at the beginning remember???
I even remembered argueing with people on here who don't believe MU would take away from MOS much and that kids would still prefer MOS over MU...
Suddenly now, it's the BIGGEST competition out there... ????

I retort as i did.

As for this drop.
Can't see how bad the drop is if it's doing these strong numbers in the end. Unless it opened huge or something, this seems very much similar to the legs of TF and the two IM films. A historic drop doesn't seem like the end of the world imo.
(again, ignoring all this competition you and the fans didn't see coming).

 

[robot]

Ok I think you are confusing things here.

I said WWZ(and MU) may have not been anticipated by fanboys to be all that big but they ended up being very much so. I am pointing out that what fanboys thought months before those films came out mans jack all in the face of what they actually did.
Therefore, when you suggest to me that

I retort as i did.

As for this drop.
Can't see how bad the drop is if it's doing these strong numbers in the end. Unless it opened huge or something, this seems very much similar to the legs of TF and the two IM films. A historic drop doesn't seem like the end of the world imo.
(again, ignoring all this competition you and the fans didn't see coming).

If you want to be honest, WWZ wasn't all that great either.. and therefore the logical conclusion is that the HUGE drop for MOS is not entirely due to competition..

Anyone trying to paint the reason for the huge drop to just the BIGGEST COMPETITION OF ALL TIME, is just spinning things, again...

 

[STARMAN]

MOS kept all its theaters in week 2. People chose WWZ and MU.

 

[JOE]

Time to look forward to the next GREAT movie... it's still way too far off for me though..

I hate that all the good movies are only coming out 2015.. it's like they are all skipping 2014...

Star Wars 7, Superman vs Batman, Jurassic Park 4, Avatar 2 (hopefully), Avengers 2

The Amazing Spider-Man
Captain America 2: The Winter Solider
Guardians of The Galaxy
X-Men: Days of Future Past

And those are just CBM... There's also:

Godzilla
Robocop
300: Rise of An Empire
Ninja Turtles
Transformers 4
How To Train Your Dragon 2
Dawn of The Planet of The Apes
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
The Hobbit: There and Back Again


Care to revise your statement?

 

[JOE]

Anyone trying to paint the reason for the huge drop to just the BIGGEST COMPETITION OF ALL TIME, is just spinning things, again...

IMO, if you want to talk biggest competition of all time look at TASM's 2012 release. TDKR came out 2 weeks after, that's competition. 750M WW was "amazing" considering the beast that came out directly after. If TASM can scoop up 750M with TDKR on it's tail what was MOS' excuse? MOS had no excuse other than lack of quality for it's huge drop, or drops.

 

[robot]

Sorry, I don't mean just 'good' movies.. but Movies I am CRAZY about...

Let's see, the list you made, i'll bold the ones I like (but not crazy about). None in the list I am crazy about btw....

The Amazing Spider-Man
Captain America 2: The Winter Solider
Guardians of The Galaxy
X-Men: Days of Future Past

And those are just CBM... There's also:

Godzilla
Robocop
300: Rise of An Empire
Ninja Turtles
Transformers 4
How To Train Your Dragon 2
Dawn of The Planet of The Apes
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
The Hobbit: There and Back Again


Care to revise your statement?