Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

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And what is this in response to, because I mentioned nothing that would lead to this. I'm a comic nerd who reads Superman among others and I like this film. I didn't see a betrayal of the Superman I love, but more of a depiction of how a man, torn between two worlds and two calls came to be that Superman that I've loved.

When did he become the Superman you love? The one with unwavering morals instilled in him by the Kents? The one who would not kill (and would probably just grab the bad guy in a headlock and fly him out to the middle of a field instead). The only Superman I saw was the one that keeps popping up in modern days...the one that is ashamed of his boy scout/small town folks type origins. The Superman I know and love shouldn't be "cool" in 2013...because he is the unwavering beacon of hope and morality that the rest of us are stumbling to reach.
 
FRIDAY 7:30 PM, 3RD UPDATE: It’s already setting records for the biggest opening for June and the second biggest weekend openingr of 2013 as Warner Bros’ and Legendary Pictures’ Man Of Steel (4,207 theaters with 3D in 3,357 venues) is flying high at the domestic box office today. My sources have now increased their estimates to $51M Friday, $124.4M for the three-day weekend, and $134.4M for the four-day cume through Sunday. The only other movie in the North American marketplace in wide release, Sony/Columbia Pictures’ This Is The End (3,055 theaters) which opened Wednesday as a counter-programming apocalyptic comedy is looking like $8M for Friday, $20.8M for the 3-day weekend, and $33.1M for the 5-day cume. Refined numbers later.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/06/man...elease-record-opening-day-in-the-philippines/
 
Anyone smell that?

Smells like a Flash and Wonder Woman movie coming down the pipeline.
 
@Heretic I should state that I don't view Superman as a boy scout. I view him as a very real character, as alive as you or me, who was adopted and (like most adoptees) has angst over not knowing his biological roots while at the same time fearing his adoptive ones. If you say that he shows more angst than before, well chalk that up to more people being aware of an adoptee's struggles in our current times than any other time in the past. In the past we were seen as all happy about it with no desire to search and no identity crises because of it. But, just because it wasn't seen doesn't mean it wasn't there - people just know about it in the modern times more because we've been more vocal about it. Thus, you see the transition from the comics to the 70s TV series to Lois & Clark to Smallville to here all dealing with it but coming closer and closer to the angst and questioning involved. You can see the shift in perception as you follow how Superman is presented throughout the ages. And 'Man of Steel' got it perfect (and so did Smallville, for that matter). And yes, quite contrary even with that fear of losing our adoptive roots some of us make the mistake of saying, "you're not even my real Dad." I've made that mistake as well, so have many other adoptees. Superman: For All Seasons, Superman: Birth Right, and yes Smallville have all come the closest to who Superman accurately would be.

Clark Kent did what any of us would do if placed in his situation of being from another world.

And he was a hero. He saw a bus go into the water and his first instinct was to rescue the people inside including Pete who was kind of a real jerk to him (how many of you would go back for Pete?). He was shoved to the ground and while he could have taken those bullies on, he had the strength to hold himself back and be the better man. When he saw the girl at the bar being man handled, his first instinct was to save her. When he saw Lois was in trouble, he risked exposing himself and leaving his biological father not knowing what would happen next to save her life. He was questioning if the military should take him in, but out of a moral quandary of seeing Zod doing something terrible to Earth when/if he did. He could not take a life even the life of basically a terrorist and when he did, he was devastated by it. He was the ONLY hero to show a reaction to this, many villains in action movies die - he's the only hero that was hurt by it. All of his actions were motivated due to his wanting to help his fellow man. To me, that's what Superman is all about. That and being the inspiration to adoptees that despite our troubles and angst and hardships, we will and can rise above being an outsider in a very isolating world.
 
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Jango is right...people who don't know or care about Superman comic books seem to like this movie. You know...because Pa Kent would rather have people die than have his son save them...because Superman's secret to inspiring humanity is by punching things and breaking necks, not because of any morality or goodness. These people like The Dark Knight, and the idea of Superman with a Dark Knight mentality really appeals to them, because this Superman is angsty, angry and feels like an outcast. It is everything they want in a superhero movie, with none of that outdated Superman stuff getting in the way.


And yet Batman in TDK and TDKR is a true hero who avoids killing and cares about human life, and is even willing to sacrifice his life for others. So how does this compare to Superman
killing
? And do you really believe that Clark is
a murderer
? He did what he had to do.
 
  1. @Heretic I should state that I don't view Superman as a boy scout. I view him as a very real character, as alive as you or me, who was adopted and (like most adoptees) has angst over not knowing his biological roots while at the same time fearing his adoptive ones. If you say that he shows more angst than before, well chalk that up to more people being aware of an adoptee's struggles in our current times than any other time in the past. In the past we were seen as all happy about it with no desire to search and no identity crises because of it. But, just because it wasn't seen doesn't mean it wasn't there - people just know about it in the modern times more because we've been more vocal about it. Thus, you see the transition from the comics to the 70s TV series to Lois & Clark to Smallville to here all dealing with it but coming closer and closer to the angst and questioning involved. You can see the shift in perception as you follow how Superman is presented throughout the ages. And 'Man of Steel' got it perfect (and so did Smallville, for that matter). And yes, quite contrary even with that fear of losing our adoptive roots some of us make the mistake of saying, "you're not even my real Dad." I've made that mistake as well, so have many other adoptees. Superman: For All Seasons, Superman: Birth Right, and yes Smallville have all come the closest to who Superman accurately would be.
Clark Kent did what any of us would do if placed in his situation. He saw a bus go into the water and his first instinct was to rescue the people inside including Pete who was kind of a real jerk to him (how many here would go back for Pete?). He was shoved to the ground and while he could have taken those bullies on, he had the strength to hold himself back and be the better man. When he saw the girl at the bar being man handled, his first instinct was to save them. When he saw Lois was in trouble, he risked exposing himself and leaving his biological father not knowing what would happen next to save her life. He was questioning if the military should take him in, but out of a moral quandary of seeing Zod not giving up even if he did turn himself in. He could not take a life even the life of basically a terrorist and when he did, he was devastated by it. He was the ONLY hero to show a reaction to this, many villains in action movies die - he's the only hero that was hurt by it. All of his actions were motivated due to his wanting to help his fellow man. To me, that's what Superman is all about.

That's an outstanding post.
 
Anyone smell that?

Smells like a Flash and Wonder Woman movie coming down the pipeline.

I still don't smell that anywhere.

They are all totally different and separate characters. Hell IM3 can make 1.2 billion but don't expect fellow avengers Cap and thor to come close to that.
 
Yes, I am certain with every fiber of my being that the film was horrible. But that's not the point. I'm not here to convince you guys of that. I'm talking about the general reaction to the movie, not my own.

And you know what? After taking a step back and reading the numbers some of you guys are posting? Perhaps it appears I was wrong. Perhaps this movie may very well be a hit with general audiences. Only time will tell. Personally I believe it's going to crash. This isn't Transformers. It had the action but it didn't have the smiles. Transformers isn't art but the mouth breathers at my screenings probably had a ball. For those same people, Man Of Steel was probably a bore fest up until the last act. No laughs. No **** and ass. Hardly the makings of a solid summer blockbuster meant to win over that crowd. I just don't think it will have the legs.

Time will prove one of us wrong. I say it does moderately well, but a few years from now and no one will be talking about this movie. It will fade and it will be forgotten. Just like Superman Returns.

I think you are mixing mixed reviews with critics and mixed reaction with the G.A. I'd say most of the G.A. are enjoying the film. MoS won't have the same fate as Superman Returns. Early box office returns suggest that MoS is going to perform solidly and get sequels. I'm not sure where you are getting your info from but MoS is very strong out of the gate and trending very well on twitter.
 
@Heretic I should state that I don't view Superman as a boy scout. I view him as a very real character, as alive as you or me, who was adopted and (like most adoptees) has angst over not knowing his biological roots while at the same time fearing his adoptive ones. And yes, quite contrary even with that fear some of us make the mistake of saying, "you're not even my real Dad." I've made that mistake as well, so have many other adoptees. Superman: For All Seasons, Superman: Birth Right, and yes Smallville have all come the closest to who Superman accurately would be.

Clark Kent did what any of us would do if placed in his situation. He saw a bus go into the water and his first instinct was to rescue the people inside including Pete who was kind of a real jerk to him (how many here would go back for Pete?). He was shoved to the ground and while he could have taken those bullies on, he had the strength to hold himself back and be the better man. When he saw the girl at the bar being man handled, his first instinct was to save them. When he saw Lois was in trouble, he risked exposing himself and leaving his biological father not knowing what would happen next to save her life. He was questioning if the military should take him in, but out of a moral quandary of seeing Zod not giving up even if he did turn himself in. He could not take a life even the life of basically a terrorist and when he did, he was devastated by it. He was the ONLY hero to show a reaction to this, many villains in action movies die - he's the only hero that was hurt by it. All of his actions were motivated due to his wanting to help his fellow man. To me, that's what Superman is all about.

Then we disagree. While you believe that the definitive Superman stories are recent ones that redefined him, I believe that the definitive Superman is the one that existed for decades before that. I believe that the true power of Superman is the upbringing of the Kents, not the Kryptonian blood. This upbringing is what makes him truly special. It was that perfect American family that created the man who we all strive to be. In Man of Steel, it is claimed that Superman is the ideal we all strive for...but he did nothing that I wouldn't already do. He just punched harder than I can. Once you take away that perfect Norman Rockwell outdated vision of American life, you have every other superhero. You don't have anyone I really look up to as THE pinnacle of morality and humanity.
 
@Heretic I should state that I don't view Superman as a boy scout. I view him as a very real character, as alive as you or me, who was adopted and (like most adoptees) has angst over not knowing his biological roots while at the same time fearing his adoptive ones. If you say that he shows more angst than before, well chalk that up to more people being aware of an adoptee's struggles in our current times than any other time in the past. In the past we were seen as all happy about it with no desire to search and no identity crises because of it. But, just because it wasn't seen doesn't mean it wasn't there - people just know about it in the modern times more because we've been more vocal about it. Thus, you see the transition from the comics to the 70s TV series to Lois & Clark to Smallville to here all dealing with it but coming closer and closer to the angst and questioning involved. You can see the shift in perception as you follow how Superman is presented throughout the ages. And 'Man of Steel' got it perfect (and so did Smallville, for that matter). And yes, quite contrary even with that fear of losing our adoptive roots some of us make the mistake of saying, "you're not even my real Dad." I've made that mistake as well, so have many other adoptees. Superman: For All Seasons, Superman: Birth Right, and yes Smallville have all come the closest to who Superman accurately would be.

Clark Kent did what any of us would do if placed in his situation of being from another world.

And he was a hero. He saw a bus go into the water and his first instinct was to rescue the people inside including Pete who was kind of a real jerk to him (how many of you would go back for Pete?). He was shoved to the ground and while he could have taken those bullies on, he had the strength to hold himself back and be the better man. When he saw the girl at the bar being man handled, his first instinct was to save her. When he saw Lois was in trouble, he risked exposing himself and leaving his biological father not knowing what would happen next to save her life. He was questioning if the military should take him in, but out of a moral quandary of seeing Zod doing something terrible to Earth when/if he did. He could not take a life even the life of basically a terrorist and when he did, he was devastated by it. He was the ONLY hero to show a reaction to this, many villains in action movies die - he's the only hero that was hurt by it. All of his actions were motivated due to his wanting to help his fellow man. To me, that's what Superman is all about. That and being the inspiration to adoptees that despite our troubles and angst and hardships, we will and can rise above being an outsider in a very isolating world.
Word. Even a boyscout would kill to save people. I'm sure plenty of good police officers were boyscouts
at one point and one or two of them had to take a life.
 
Deadline update:

Est. $51M Friday, $124.4M for the three-day weekend, and $134.4M for the four-day cume through Sunday

I didn't see kvz5's post. Doh.:doh:
 
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I thought this was the Man of Steel BO thread what's with all the fanboy arguments? Maybe we should stay on topic before we get told to or else :)

With that said, I've been projecting $130-$150 million something tells me $140+ yet all these places are reporting $115-$125 million which normally means we'll end up with more than expected. One thing people are not taking into a consideration is walk up sales. There will be a lot of them especially because of Father's day weekend. Yes the OW will be huge and 2nd weekend will be a big concern but I would not be surprised to see MoS stay atop #1 next week.
We should know more after the OW haul and weekday grosses :) it's definitely exciting for Superman fans so we have reason to celebrate for sure...
 
I'm sure WB is thinking this, or, its at least crossing their minds lol

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Word. Even a boyscout would kill to save people. I'm sure plenty of good police officers were boyscouts
at one point and one or two of them had to take a life.

I'm just saying...its a shame that Superman can't fly. He could have maybe grabbed Zod by the neck and flew him away into an area where there were no innocents instead of intentionally keeping the fight in one of the most populated cities in the world. But, since Superman can't fly, he had no choice in the situation.
 
I believe that the true power of Superman is the upbringing of the Kents, not the Kryptonian blood.

They are both equally important and I've never stated otherwise.

I am an adoptee with amazing adoptive parents who have crafted me into the man I am today, but many of instincts also come from my blood including ones I'm probably not aware of. They are both important. And despite having amazing adoptive parents, I still have angst as do many other adoptees. No matter how great the parent, you can't erase the pain of having lost something despite what you've gained. Past generations didn't see this as much, thus the Superman who didn't have as much visible angst about it - but, without a doubt, it was there. it's always been there. Just as generations have become more informed about how most adoptees feel and go through, the ultimate adoptee superhero changed to become more in line with what adoptees go through as well. It's just a show of the times and how those in the past didn't know.

Word. Even a boyscout would kill to save people. I'm sure plenty of good police officers were boyscouts
at one point and one or two of them had to take a life.

Exactly. And that's what this is. He was faced with that same choice and he chose the lesser evil. If he didn't kill Zod, any way around it more people would have died in their ensuing battle to secure Zod without killing him because he was not going to go easily.
 
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Word. Even a boyscout would kill to save people. I'm sure plenty of good police officers were boyscouts
at one point and one or two of them had to take a life.
The boyscout thing really comes into play when juxtaposed against other Superheroes, especially Batman.
 
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