Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 8

[kalhawj]

It's like your first date. Magic and better than all that follow.

STM can't be repeated. Reeve can't be topped. STM was a first and firsts are always unique.

That said, follow-up versions can approach at least the magic of the first. Neither SR nor MOS did. For that matter think of S4 - a money looser and a poor film.

I am not asking perfection. I give MOS a 7.9. SR a 7.4. I want a Superman film I can give a 9.1. Not perfection but still great.

I am worried about how Snyder is directing Henry. One-dimensional. Where is that Superman charm and those great lines. Henry did not impress me as Superman but I know the reason. Snyder.

Totally missing too was that Clark/Lois magic. And that is key.

We can complain till the cows come home but the bottom line is WB best address these issues that are repeated across many media and individually if they want MOS2 to be a blockbuster and get that sequel bump TDK and other films have.

Guys... we get it... you got disappointed and MOS is not the movie you wanted or was hopping for.... But get real.... what you don't like doesn't mean we or the GA won't like it... The truth is GA loves it and so do I and the 90% Superman fans. You and your friends will be there on MOS2 opening day to see it so stop your complaining in here... We get it... move one...

BTW... Henry is the best Superman since Reeve... if you don't know how his acting is go watch Tutor... he isn't 1 dimension as you say... get your facts straight... He did awesome as Superman and show the most emotion in any Superman movie ever... Did you not see the tears and emotion from Henry's face after he killed Zod. Also he didn't get to play his alter ego and that won't happen until MOS2...

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Dawn of the Dead was a quality film though I give a lot of credit to the casting director. The rest of his resume has been a mixture of meh and near misses but DotD was way better than it had any right to be. Kudos to Snyder for making a good genre film.

The dude has skills he just hasn't put it all together yet. With a better writer maybe he doesn't have to. The wait goes on.

 

[roach]

It's like your first date. Magic and better than all that follow.

STM can't be repeated. Reeve can't be topped. STM was a first and firsts are always unique.

That said, follow-up versions can approach at least the magic of the first. Neither SR nor MOS did. For that matter think of S4 - a money looser and a poor film.

I am not asking perfection. I give MOS a 7.9. SR a 7.4. I want a Superman film I can give a 9.1. Not perfection but still great.

I am worried about how Snyder is directing Henry. One-dimensional. Where is that Superman charm and those great lines. Henry did not impress me as Superman but I know the reason. Snyder.

Totally missing too was that Clark/Lois magic. And that is key.

We can complain till the cows come home but the bottom line is WB best address these issues that are repeated across many media and individually if they want MOS2 to be a blockbuster and get that sequel bump TDK and other films have.

Seems like you wanted STM 2.0 instead of an 'original' Superman movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Oh my goodness it's not as bad as Transformers. Its not bad at all. Its flawed. And they weren't looking for Transformers. The wanted really good action to satisfy the crowd that hated Superman Returns.

I would like Snyder back. The film was visually stunning. I just want a little less action and more interesting dialogue. Not saying the dialogue was bad, it on par with most origins. I just want more.

Never said it was "as bad" as Transformers, and even though I hate Transformers, a lot of people like it.

What I said was bringing the extra action sequences brought the bad that came when Transformers did that, that the action was at the expense of character and it was so much you became numb to it. A lot of people mention the tentacles on the world machine, that's a perfect example, totally unnecessary.

This film certainly didn't delve into the 12 year old pre-pubescent humor that was Transformers, and the disgusting racist stereotypes that were used.

 

[Marvin]

The only film of his I enjoy on any level is 300, and even that isn't that great of a movie. The story is the most powerful thing and that, and even the visuals are more thanks to Frank Miller. Snyder did a good job of interpreting Miller's art work for the big screen.

All of his other film are pretty much crap. I think he was hired because he's a company yes man. The studio wanted big Transformers style action, and that's what he delivered, and all the bad stuff about Transformers with it.

First I thought you were talking about goyer, given the post you responded to. I had to recheck.

As for Snyders visuals being thanks to Frank Miller? I disagree. However I would add that Miller has plenty of Superman visuals out in the comic book stream, perhaps Singer should have pulled from there too in his adaptation and he would have been afforded the little if not specific acclaim Snyder gets.

all his other film's aren't infact crap. But I assume that's just your opinion. I would look to the opinion of the many many people that have an affinity for Snyder's other work to dispute that. But it's this Transformers comparison that has my interest. You really think this film has all the bad action stuff from Transformers eh?

Who'd have thought Nolan of all people would associate himself with such a product. Then again I guess that's why he's quoted as saying he enjoys bays work.

This film certainly didn't delve into the 12 year old pre-pubescent humor that was Transformers, and the disgusting racist stereotypes that were used.

You may want to avoid This is the End.
fair warning.

 

[Tony Stark]

Does this mean June/July 2014? I'm guessing it does, because that's the months of blockbusters.

I think that quote from that article has been debunked. There are no plans for a 2014 MoS, and there are no plans for Justice League 2015.

 

[Tobias]

5.2M? NICE! That's a step in the right direction. Myself, I think it's going to perform well 4th of July weekend and hold a steady, positive pace.

Tuesday normally see a slight increase so this is right in line and the first time it's had a weekday to weekday bump up. Wednesday and Thursday tend to tend down.

4.5 million Monday and 5.2 Tuesday - 9.7 million. Wednesday drops can be 20% that would make it about 4.2 and Thursday could see a 10% drop to 3.8. Mon - Thurs 17.7

Weekend is crucial guys. If we get a 60% drop it's over - in that the film tops at 270 - 275. If the drop is around 50% (which is high given the 3rd week drops are normally in the mid-40s) that would be 20.5 million or so. Total weekly take 37.7. So far we haven't seen it but if MOS can hold it's weekend drops to 50% (which is significantly above normal for a film) it could crawl to 285 million total. At which point WB has the option of doing the slow dance.

Final *** around 248 million possible by end of Sunday. Hold this weekend is critical.

 

[MANOFSTEELtrilogy]

I think that quote from that article has been debunked. There are no plans for a 2014 MoS, and there are no plans for Justice League 2015.

Who debunked it?

 

[Joeyjojo72]

First I thought you were talking about goyer, given the post you responded to. I had to recheck.

As for Snyders visuals being thanks to Frank Miller? I disagree. However I would add that Miller has plenty of Superman visuals out in the comic book stream, perhaps Singer should have pulled from there too in his adaptation and he would have been afforded the little if not specific acclaim Snyder gets.

all his other film's aren't infact crap. But I assume that's just your opinion. I would look to the opinion of the many many people that have an affinity for Snyder's other work to dispute that. But it's this Transformers comparison that has my interest. You really think this film has all the bad action stuff from Transformers eh?

Who'd have thought Nolan of all people would associate himself with such a product. Then again I guess that's why he's quoted as saying he enjoys bays work.


You may want to avoid This is the End.
fair warning.

Spielberg and Cameron and del Toro and many others have put their names on bad projects. Spielberg is EP on the Transformers movies and plenty of other crap. Nolan's name in MoS doesn't magically fix its problems nor does it make your argument any better. Irrelevant.

 

[Tobias]

Guys... we get it... you got disappointed and MOS is not the movie you wanted or was hopping for.... But get real.... what you don't like doesn't mean we or the GA won't like it... The truth is GA loves it and so do I and the 90% Superman fans. You and your friends will be there on MOS2 opening day to see it so stop your complaining in here... We get it... move one...

BTW... Henry is the best Superman since Reeve... if you don't know how his acting is go watch Tutor... he isn't 1 dimension as you say... get your facts straight... He did awesome as Superman and show the most emotion in any Superman movie ever... Did you not see the tears and emotion from Henry's face after he killed Zod. Also he didn't get to play his alter ego and that won't happen until MOS2...

Yes. Henry is great in Tudors. He came across as kind of wooden because of the script and directing. Let Henry unleash his charm, his twinkle in the eye in the next one. It's there - I've seen it.

 

[Marvin]

Spielberg and Cameron and del Toro and many others have put their names on bad projects. Spielberg is EP on the Transformers movies and plenty of other crap. Nolan's name in MoS doesn't magically fix its problems nor does it make your argument any better. Irrelevant.

Never said it to make a point about quality. I specifically said to to point out the correlation between what nolan has said in the past to what want was said in the post in question. I found it ironic.

I differ to my other posts to magically fix the problems...and to validate my argument.

But on this point, I also find it pretty ironic just how much the name of a certain producer is popping up on that little Ninja Turtles production next year. You would think there was no such thing as a studio writer or even director...

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Exhibitor Relations ‏@ERCboxoffice 42s
MAN OF STEEL powered up $5.2M on Tuesday. W/ $219M total, it passed STAR TREK: ID as the #4 top-grossing movie of 2013.

 

[Tobias]

Seems like you wanted STM 2.0 instead of an 'original' Superman movie.

Not really. You can never recreate the "magic of the first date".

I wasn't even born when it came out but my Dad, he gave me my love for Superman, to this day remembers how the audiences went wild. Clapping, standing ovation - you name it throughout the film. A once in a lifetime experience which stayed with him.

I want a Superman film that does that - to the audience.

STM is too campy. Hackman/Spacey type Luthors don't cut it. Give me a Rosenbaum type Luthor. No buffoonish sidekicks either.

So yes I can criticize STM as well as MOS.

Bottom line, I am waiting for that great Superman film we all deserve.

 

[MANOFSTEELtrilogy]

Yes. Henry is great in Tudors. He came across as kind of wooden because of the script and directing. Let Henry unleash his charm, his twinkle in the eye in the next one. It's there - I've seen it.

Superman isn't supposed to be emotionally animated, so I'd prefer it if he stays wooden to an extent. I didn't like the Christopher Reeve smiley Superman. And Cavill's charm in MOS has been praised by audiences and reviewers.

 

[Superherofan123]

Cavill was wooden?? Whaa??? Where am I? Is this a weird alternate reality? Lol

 

[DorneyDave]

I seriously am laughing at the posts saying "what went wrong" and "dropped the ball"

Unreal how the actual numbers are being skewed. Just because you don't like a film doesn't mean it isn't the most successful origin film in some time.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Cavill was wooden?? Whaa??? Where am I? Is this a weird alternate reality? Lol

Worse. You're in the MOS Box Office Thread..

 

[Tra-El]

Bottom line, I am waiting for that great Superman film we all deserve.

People forget MAN OF STEEL is an ORIGIN movie, one that needed to update the character to be takin' SERIOUSLY within the modern audience.

If things go our way, we will get 2 more Superman movies with 2 possible team-ups with JL and WF.

MOS is the groundwork so we CAN get the perfect Superman movie for everybody. We need to accept this and allow the story to evolve into the hero everyone sees in Supes to begin with.

In the end, we will ALL win. MOS was put way too high on the pedestal to perform and had too much pressure.

MOS is a GREAT start and improvements to the "perfect Superman movie" will come in time. With the changes, Snyder and Goyer knew there was going to be a backlash. Lets chill and allow this vision take its course. We deserve a trilogy!

Superman is back!

 

[Tobias]

Worse. You're in the MOS Box Office Thread..

Speaking of which hopefully Liam will check in and give a projected number if MOS can hold it's weekend drops to around 50% going forward. I am guessing that makes 285 million possible. Would like to know if he thinks WB will do the slow walk if it gets to that number.

 

[X Knight]

let's hope Snyder and Goyer ARE listening to the legit criticisms and taking them constructively, so they can improve upon what they built in MOS and make a better movie in MOS 2.

 

[The Batman]

....When did it become policy that a first/reboot film can't build a universe AND be great at the same time?

 

[X Knight]

Speaking of which hopefully Liam will check in and give a projected number if MOS can hold it's weekend drops to around 50% going forward. I am guessing that makes 285 million possible. Would like to know if he thinks WB will do the slow walk if it gets to that number.

and if this can get to $270-$280M or more, I think that's very solid and respectable.

 

[br0adband]

/me sits back and just laughs knowing that somewhere Snyder and Goyer are both laughing themselves because they wrote this movie in this manner and made it this way on purpose so that people would end up discussing it ad nauseum and nitpicking everything just to provoke the intentional "It's just bad writing..." attitude so that when the next movie comes out everyone's mind is freakin' blown wide open...

Hey, I've seen stranger things happen.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Cavill was wooden?? Whaa??? Where am I? Is this a weird alternate reality? Lol

Cavill didn't have much to work with to be honest. His character really didn't have any kind of personality. He was a brooder...much like Batman.

 

[kalhawj]

....When did it become policy that a first/reboot film can't build a universe AND be great at the same time?

Some fans expect a masterpiece from the start so if there's no sequel they can be happy with just the one movie. In today's industry WB knows that the money is in the trilogy and share universe for CBM. This is why MOS is set up perfectly for a sequel and share DCU. Those that complain just doesn't see this... The nolan Trilogy had one masterpiece in TDK. We can expect the same for MOS. People need to just let the new way of making CBM play out... There's no way of satisfying everyone. The key for WB is to get GA to like/accept the new take on Superman which they have succeed at... Now it's to making an epic trilogy...