The Last Jedi Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker (VIII)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Definitely don't resurrect Luke. Which is a crying shame because you only get one shot at a character's death and TLJ did a really bad job IMO.

This sums up my feelings on the matter perfectly.

 

[C. Lee]

As to Luke making a Force replica of himself and Han's dice on a string....I found this interesting - http://www.guacamoley.com/lol/2018/...2&tse_id=INF_5ef0ecf0fedb11e781c71b876dfcb7a1

 

[Agent Orange]

As to Luke making a Force replica of himself and Han's dice on a string....I found this interesting - http://www.guacamoley.com/lol/2018/...2&tse_id=INF_5ef0ecf0fedb11e781c71b876dfcb7a1

One fan responded on Twitter with "Yeah, well, that book isn't canon anymore." lol

Regardless, Rian was very careful about what he could and couldn't do. He constantly went to the Lucasfilm creative team for input. People like Pablo Hidalgo have been with Lucasfilm for ages.

That last episode of "The Star Wars Show" touched on the hyperspace ram. Rian didn't want to do it unless the creative team said that it was ok.

 

[TheVileOne]

One fan responded on Twitter with "Yeah, well, that book isn't canon anymore." lol

Regardless, Rian was very careful about what he could and couldn't do. He constantly went to the Lucasfilm creative team for input. People like Pablo Hidalgo have been with Lucasfilm for ages.

That last episode of "The Star Wars Show" touched on the hyperspace ram. Rian didn't want to do it unless the creative team said that it was ok.

If Johnson and Lucasfilm say it's canon and want it to be canon then it's canon.

Since Rian Johnson tweeted about it and got ideas from it, then that means The Jedi Path is now officially canon.

 

[C. Lee]

One fan responded on Twitter with "Yeah, well, that book isn't canon anymore." lol

I only read a few of the books written about Star Wars, never really got into them....so have no idea what is considered canon and what isn't. Do you know if it is considered canon?

In any case....I know some fans were upset when it was said the EU wouldn't be used in the movies. If that book is an EU book, and stuff is being used from it....then that means there is the possibility that other stuff from EU books could be used in the future. So they should be happy about that.

 

[C. Lee]

If Johnson and Lucasfilm say it's canon and want it to be canon then it's canon.

Since Rian Johnson tweeted about it and got ideas from it, then that means The Jedi Path is now officially canon.

That's the way I feel too. I was wondering if that book was considered canon....and that sounds like it is.

 

[TheVileOne]

In terms of fans, the gist of what's canon and what's not is this, based on how I interpret things

- Episodes 1-9
- Anthology Movies
- The Clone Wars animations (TV series and shorts)
- Rebels
- Any books post-Disney purchase
- Any comics post-Disney purchase
- Any games post-Disney purchase

So any books or comics post-Disney purchase are officially canon. Anything pre-Disney purchase are essentially considered "Star Wars Legends," formerly Expanded Universe. However, I'd say the exception therein is anything the filmmakers or story groups want to pull from existing EU which they want to be canon will be canon.

I try not to worry about it too much though because now that we are talking over 40 years of stories and material, there are bound to be contradictions and things that don't fit here and there.

I mean look how many times DC and Marvel retcon or streamline continuity in similar timeframes.

For example, as far as we know, Shadows of the Empire is a Legends book. But I imagine if Pablo Hidalgo said, "The book happened. Everything written in the book still happened." Then yeah it essentially gets grandfathered in. That's hypothetical.

So Rian Johnson just basically grandfathered in The Jedi Path.

 

[Agent Orange]

Lucas basically poo poo'd everything that he didn't have a hand in pre-Disney purchase anyway. "If it's not in the movies then it isn't canon" or something to that effect. After he and Dave Filoni got Star Wars: Clone Wars off the ground then it became "The movies and Clone Wars are canon." The newer one - he pretty much disowned Genndy Tartakovsky's excellent animated series.

I'm actually surprised that Disney retained Clone Wars as canon but I imagine that it was a condition of the purchase. Lucas really loves the show.

It's classic George that he was so dismissive of the "Legends" stuff because he wasn't shy about borrowing from it. Coruscant was a Timothy Zahn creation if I'm not mistaken.

 

[C. Lee]

In terms of fans, the gist of what's canon and what's not is this, based on how I interpret things

Thanks, that's very helpful. I guess the 2 EWOKS TV movies aren't considered canon now.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm assuming 2 Ewoks movies AND the holiday special are not.

What's funny is, Chewie's son from Holiday special has the same name in the Aftermath book. So they kept Chewbacca's son from the Holiday Special

 

[Marvolo]

The Falcon dice came from the TFA script. JJ shot a scene of Han hanging the dice up in the Falcon cockpit. Rain wrote the TLJ script after he saw JJ shoot that scene and wanted to use the dice. It wasn't until later that JJ cut the dice scene from TFA. So Rian decided to leave the dice in TLJ because it could call back to ANH.


http://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...wars-han-solo-dice-explanation-the-last-jedi/

That's the way I feel too. I was wondering if that book was considered canon....and that sounds like it is.

Jedi force projecting themselves was made canon by Star Wars Rebels. Yoda force projects himself into the Jedi Temple on Lothal.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Falcon dice came from the TFA script. He shot a scene of Han hanging the dice up in the Falcon cockpit. Rain wrote the TLJ script after he saw IN shoot that scene nd wanted to use the dice. It wasn't until later that JJ cut the dice scene from TFA. So Rian decided to leave the dice in TLJ because it could call back to ANH.


http://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...wars-han-solo-dice-explanation-the-last-jedi/





Jedi force projecting themselves was made canon by Star Wars Rebels. Yoda force projects himself into the Jedi Temple on Lothal.

It didn't seem quite the same as what Luke did.

 

[Agent Orange]

Edit: The dice are covered in the article.

 

[Marvolo]

It didn't seem quite the same as what Luke did.

When Yoda appears in the hallway and waves at Ahsoka as they are leaving the temple its the same thing Luke did.

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But when Yoda and Ezra are in "space" talking I think thats more of a mental construction. Like a joined minds type situation.

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[TheVileOne]

When Yoda appears in the hallway and waves at Ahsoka as they are leaving the temple its the same thing Luke did.

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But when Yoda and Ezra are in "space" talking I think thats more of a mental construction. Like a joined minds type situation.

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OK, fair enough .

 

[danoyse]

The Falcon dice came from the TFA script. He shot a scene of Han hanging the dice up in the Falcon cockpit. Rain wrote the TLJ script after he saw IN shoot that scene nd wanted to use the dice. It wasn't until later that JJ cut the dice scene from TFA. So Rian decided to leave the dice in TLJ because it could call back to ANH.


http://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...wars-han-solo-dice-explanation-the-last-jedi/

Also, in one of the extra features on the TFA blu-ray, they show the shot of Han putting the dice back up in the Falcon.

 

[Boom]

How was Kylo able to pick up the dice if they were just a Force projection? That's the only thing I didn't get.

 

[Mjölnir]

In terms of fans, the gist of what's canon and what's not is this, based on how I interpret things

- Episodes 1-9
- Anthology Movies
- The Clone Wars animations (TV series and shorts)
- Rebels
- Any books post-Disney purchase
- Any comics post-Disney purchase
- Any games post-Disney purchase

So any books or comics post-Disney purchase are officially canon. Anything pre-Disney purchase are essentially considered "Star Wars Legends," formerly Expanded Universe. However, I'd say the exception therein is anything the filmmakers or story groups want to pull from existing EU which they want to be canon will be canon.

I try not to worry about it too much though because now that we are talking over 40 years of stories and material, there are bound to be contradictions and things that don't fit here and there.

I mean look how many times DC and Marvel retcon or streamline continuity in similar timeframes.

For example, as far as we know, Shadows of the Empire is a Legends book. But I imagine if Pablo Hidalgo said, "The book happened. Everything written in the book still happened." Then yeah it essentially gets grandfathered in. That's hypothetical.

So Rian Johnson just basically grandfathered in The Jedi Path.

That list seems correct, but I wonder how long it takes before they have to start using asterisks or just divert from the "everything is canon" line. We already seemingly have a contradictory event in how Rey and Poe meet, where the TFA novel have them meet but TLJ has a scene that plays out like them meeting for the first time. It will only get harder to keep a handle on such things as more items get published.

 

[Orba]

That list seems correct, but I wonder how long it takes before they have to start using asterisks or just divert from the "everything is canon" line. We already seemingly have a contradictory event in how Rey and Poe meet, where the TFA novel have them meet but TLJ has a scene that plays out like them meeting for the first time. It will only get harder to keep a handle on such things as more items get published.

The novelizations have always had stuff that was not canon. The ANH novelization indicated that the Emperor is basically a puppet ruler with the military having the real power. The ROTJ novelization says that Owen Lars was Kenobi's brother. Its best to treat the novelizations like deleted scenes, anything which is not in the final version of the film is interesting filler but not really canon when it does something that conflicts with a more canon source.

 

[Mjölnir]

The novelizations have always had stuff that was not canon. The ANH novelization indicated that the Emperor is basically a puppet ruler with the military having the real power. The ROTJ novelization says that Owen Lars was Kenobi's brother. Its best to treat the novelizations like deleted scenes, anything which is not in the final version of the film is interesting filler but not really canon when it does something that conflicts with a more canon source.

But the novelizations of the old movies were never seen as the highest level of canon. Only that which Lucas created was ever the top tier of canon (and that's a whole issue of itself with the old SW stuff, the multiple levels of canon). With Disney things are different as they say that there's just one level of canon and everything they release belongs to that.

So it's really not the same situation. My point is of course that it's not unlikely that it will become the same situation, but it's not what Disney intends to happen.

 

[sueb1863]

How was Kylo able to pick up the dice if they were just a Force projection? That's the only thing I didn't get.

Good question. I'm also not sure how Leia could hold them either.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think in the case of novelizations, we can't expect them to be strictly canon because they are based off of early script drafts, and writers are also probably extrapolating to some degree. If there are events Lucasfilm Story Group wants canonized from a novelization, they will probably so.

I would take the Rey/Poe meeting in Last Jedi as meaning the one from Force Awakens novelization didn't happen.

Also, didn't the novelization for Force Awakens imply that Luke knew exactly who Rey was? That's what I recall reading at the time.

 

[I'm Old Greg]

This seems more true to Luke

 

[Brother Jack]

The old EU stuff with the Emperor coming back and Luke going dark was dumb. The Yuuzhan Vong weren't great either. And I find it fitting that the EU arc ended at pretty much the same place that Luke is in the new canon, with his Jedi failing and him in exile.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Unfortunately the "Battle of Crait" box set doesn't include a projected Luke figure. The wait continues...