Mass Effect 3

[craigdbfan]

Er....

I mean I've read some articles and apparently a lot of people are mad but to me that indicates it did something that people weren't expecting and the fact that people are coming up with graduate school thesis long theories surely it did its job right?

I don't really see that as a bad thing but then again I haven't play a single one of the games so I can't really put myself in the position most are in until I've played all 3 games.

 

[zenith16]

I played this game like Pokemon when it came to War Assets. Mostly coz the music was so rewarding hahah.

lol you know what's messed up? after seeing you say that I ran into this


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on silconera just after ward. I fell out of my chair. I was going wwha what's happneing? it doesn't really have any thing do do with the two merging though.

 

[Matt]

Yet there are tons of endings, written by FANS, that tons of people find way more acceptable. Such as this one posted earlier:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9833130

I got chills just reading it.

That sounds pretty good. But in the end it is just fan fiction and even if they went with that...someone would have been pissed off.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I disagree about James. I was upset with Bioware for putting a new character in the game, let alone one that seemed so cliche. That said, when I started to get further into his character? Man, he isn't that bad. The N7 subplot with him is pretty great.

It was all right. They were clearly setting him up as Shepard: The Next Generation there. Which is sort of the same thing they did with Ash/Kaidan and the Spectre status and even more what they did with Garrus through all three games. Those close to Shepard growing more like him/her is a motif that occurs often throughout all three games. I just felt like James didn't have much to contribute beyond that. If they'd at least made him more of a POV character who could be totally blown away by everything that's going on, that would've been acceptable too. But instead he's just a thoroughly uninteresting jarhead stereotype through and through.

No Vega hate here, I feel he was fleshed out if you take the time to talk to him, dude has some funny jokes too, he's not boring like Kaiden

I'll give him that, he was pretty funny at times. Him and Garrus trading stories was pretty cool.

 

[Matt]

It was all right. They were clearly setting him up as Shepard: The Next Generation there. Which is sort of the same thing they did with Ash/Kaidan and the Spectre status and even more what they did with Garrus through all three games. Those close to Shepard growing more like him/her is a motif that occurs often throughout all three games. I just felt like James didn't have much to contribute beyond that. If they'd at least made him more of a POV character who could be totally blown away by everything that's going on, that would've been acceptable too. But instead he's just a thoroughly uninteresting jarhead stereotype through and through.

Exactly. Even when Shepard had dialogue options that implied a mentor/mentee relationship between Vega and Shepard, Vega just replies with some smart ass comment to Shepard advice and it is dropped.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

G:"With a little help from our friends,"

V: "Nah - it was just us... But mostly me."

 

[Master Chief]

lol you know what's messed up? after seeing you say that I ran into this

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on silconera just after ward. I fell out of my chair. I was going wwha what's happneing? it doesn't really have any thing do do with the two merging though.

Holy smokes.

That sounds pretty good. But in the end it is just fan fiction and even if they went with that...someone would have been pissed off.

lol people being angry about anything isn't a good justification for the ending as it is now.

 

[Matt]

lol people being angry isn't a good justification for the ending as it is now.

No, but it is why they should stick to their guns. I personally didn't mind the ending as much as everyone else. I can see why it pisses people off, don't get me wrong. But to release DLC and say, "GOTCHYA! JUST A DREAM! HERE IS THE REAL ENDING!" would be VERY campy and no matter what their new ending is....it would just upset other people. There is no winning at this point. What's done is done. Rather than override it, just let it ride....Add on to it in a few years with Mass Effect 4. Not DLC.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Or, like I said, they could say its an alternate ending, like nearly every film has on their DVD. Easy. They don't anger fans who enjoy the current ending, but allow those who don't like it to enjoy something else.


And in the end, what does it change? They will set the next series of games so far ahead of this series that the details of the ending to 3 doesn't even matter for the new series.

 

[Master Chief]

No, but it is why they should stick to their guns. I personally didn't mind the ending as much as everyone else. I can see why it pisses people off, don't get me wrong. But to release DLC and say, "GOTCHYA! JUST A DREAM! HERE IS THE REAL ENDING!" would be VERY campy and no matter what their new ending is....it would just upset other people. There is no winning at this point. What's done is done. Rather than override it, just let it ride....Add on to it in a few years with Mass Effect 4. Not DLC.

Can you really, seriously look at that ending and say it lines up with the quality of writing they have offered up until that point? Having the end expanded in ME4 is just as bad as releasing ending DLC.

 

[Matt]

Or, like I said, they could say its an alternate ending, like nearly every film has on their DVD. Easy. They don't anger fans who enjoy the current ending, but allow those who don't like it to enjoy something else.


And in the end, what does it change? They will set the next series of games so far ahead of this series that the details of the ending to 3 doesn't even matter for the new series.

Because this isn't a movie. That is the director's story. This is a game of a franchise that had prided itself on letting the player build the story. To charge more for more options to build the ending of the story is wrong.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually watched that little video about the ME anime (without sound because I'm at work). James' haircut looks unbelievably stupid in animation, but that's a minor nitpick. It looks like it should be fun other than that. You can tell the designers had a lot of fun with the Collectors. They look almost Guyverish.

 

[Matt]

Can you really, seriously look at that ending and say it lines up with the quality of writing they have offered up until that point? Having the end expanded in ME4 is just as bad as releasing ending DLC.

You misunderstand me, when I say add on, I don't mean in ME4 replay the ending and change it. Just build onto the universe...maybe give some more closure as to what the ending meant for the galactic community, etc.

 

[Benstamania]

Edit.

 

[smashmode]

I just watched a video of the "perfect," ending:

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If that ending is accurate and Shepard suddenly breathes, what is the implication? He is lying in a pile of rubble on Earth and wakes up. That implies to me that none of the stuff on the Citadel truly happened and everything following the Reaper laser was a dream.

That goes along with

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the popular fan theory that this was a indoctrination attempt by harbinger and destroy is the true perfect ending because Shepard didn't give in. The Shepard rubble Only happens if you choose destroy

 

[iamlegend]

[blackout]There would be people saying that kind of stuff no matter what the ending is. The ending could've been Shepard walking right onto the Citadel with no injuries, killing the Illusive Man, turning the Crucible into some Death Star-esque weapon, shooting every damn Reaper out of the sky, returning to Earth in tact and safe, going to his quarters on the Normandy and banging the **** out of Ashley and people would be coming up with a hundred and one theories regarding the end. Such is just the nature of a franchise like this.[/blackout]

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Yes, people always complain and they'd of complained about that one too. But you can't possibly run a series of events like that up against what we got. People are actually crafting 3000 word explanations about how Shepard was indoctrinated! And they have a following! The ending we got was impossibly ambiguous.

I don't want it to be re-done or re-written by any DLC, just honestly explained. Show me what actually happened and provide closure on the story. That's all I'm asking.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Can you really, seriously look at that ending and say it lines up with the quality of writing they have offered up until that point? Having the end expanded in ME4 is just as bad as releasing ending DLC.

I'd love for someone to honestly say that the writing at the end is as good as the writing Bioware as presented for your relationships with Garrus, Liara, Ashley/Kaiden, Wrex, Mordin, etc.....

 

[Master Chief]

You misunderstand me, when I say add on, I don't mean in ME4 replay the ending and change it. Just build onto the universe...maybe give some more closure as to what the ending meant for the galactic community, etc.

What I really meant to say is I'd rather have DLC over more closure in the next installment lol, and either way doing anything to the end would be an admittance that they failed.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Because this isn't a movie. That is the director's story. This is a game of a franchise that had prided itself on letting the player build the story. To charge more for more options to build the ending of the story is wrong.

Can you explain how any of the decisions made in any of the games mattered in the last 5 minutes?

Also, for those wondering what I meant about the ending with the [blackout]Stargazer and his grandkid[/blackout]

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One other thing....

What was the point of the keepers? We were supposed to have them explained in 3, and it was never brought up. Yeah, I know what they were doing, but the developers said we would find out why they were on the Citadel.

 

[Master Chief]

I'd love for someone to honestly say that the writing at the end is as good as the writing Bioware as presented for your relationships with Garrus, Liara, Ashley/Kaiden, Wrex, Mordin, etc.....

Hell yeah. Just so I could use this:

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But it's sad coz they probably won't be joking.

 

[Matt]

Spoiler

Yes, people always complain and they'd of complained about that one too. But you can't possibly run a series of events like that up against what we got. People are actually crafting 3000 word explanations about how Shepard was indoctrinated! And they have a following! The ending we got was impossibly ambiguous.

I don't want it to be re-done or re-written by any DLC, just honestly explained. Show me what actually happened and provide closure on the story. That's all I'm asking.

But this is why we will never get that:

What I really meant to say is I'd rather have DLC over more closure in the next installment lol, and either way doing anything to the end would be an admittance that they failed.

They will not admit defeat.

Can you explain how any of the decisions made in any of the games mattered in the last 5 minutes?

Also, for those wondering what I meant about the ending with the [blackout]Stargazer and his grandkid[/blackout]

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Nope. I can't. But they certainly mattered in the build up and Bioware has certainly claimed that the player can "build your own Shepard/story," throughout the franchise. To add on more at this point would undermine it. What is done is done. Don't make me pay for the "real," ending.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Hell yeah. Just so I could use this:

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But it's sad coz they probably won't be joking.

broken image



but this is mfw they try to explain

Spoiler

Haha, you cray cray MC

 

[Matt]

One other thing....

What was the point of the keepers? We were supposed to have them explained in 3, and it was never brought up. Yeah, I know what they were doing, but the developers said we would find out why they were on the Citadel.

Didn't we find out in the first game? They were an indoctrinated, warped species (kind of like the Collectors) who kept up the Citadel for the Reapers so species would settle there. They were also programmed to send the signal that caused the Reapers to come through the Citadel relay but the Protheans altered their minds for future generations so they are basically just mindless caretakers.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Bioware has certainly claimed that the player can "build your own Shepard/story," throughout the franchise.

Ha, they certainly have claimed that, just like they have claimed they would leave no questions unanswered by the end of ME3. Just like how when confronted with the fact that some of From Ashes is on disc, they say "Well, SOME is, but the majority isnt", when before they were adamant that work on DLC started after the game was finished. Oh, and lets not forget this hilarious claim

here are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that...

To add on more at this point would undermine it. What is done is done. Don't make me pay for the "real," ending.

Who said anything about paying for it? Who said anything about it being the "real" ending? I can't hold all these implications.....

 

[iamlegend]

But this is why we will never get that:



They will not admit defeat.



Nope. I can't. But they certainly mattered in the build up and Bioware has certainly claimed that the player can "build your own Shepard/story," throughout the franchise. To add on more at this point would undermine it. What is done is done. Don't make me pay for the "real," ending.

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I'm not asking them to change the ending. Just actually explain what in the hell happened and offer closure, which Master Chief even lobbies for in that post. Any kind of epilogue or post-game DLC would do that without ever having to revisit the actual ending itself.

They don't have to "admit defeat."

You can't re-write history, but you can clarify it.

I mean at this point about all I can offer about the fate of my story is: "Well, I probably stopped the Reapers, and I might have blown up the galaxy in the process. Not really sure. Oh and my team may be pulling a Swiss Family Robinson."