Mass Effect 3

[Balthus Dire]

So there is no perfect ending then ?

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Nope. The closest you can get is by choosing the "Renegade" option to wipe out all synthetic life in the galaxy (including the Geth and EDI), and even then Shep's fate is completely up in the air, eluded to only in a brief bonus cutscene where we see the N7 armor in a pile of rubble and it "twitches" hinting Shep could be alive.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

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As long as you don't have really low war assets the Earth/Galaxy are saved by whatever you do. The "perfect" ending is Shepard surviving in the Destroy endings. The IGN page just uses some confusing terminology.

And yet the perfect ending has nothing to do with [BLACKOUT]the choices we have made over hundreds of hours. I could play ME3 for the first time as a new character, have everyone die, and get the same ending as someone who played since ME1, playing multiple playthroughs of every game to get their perfect Shepard/galaxy.


And even in what you call the "perfect ending", you kill the geth/EDI and doom the galaxy to centuries of confusion. Turians/Krogans/Salarians/Asari on Earth with no food to support their systems? Quorians on their ships around Earth, despite the fact that you just got them their planet back? Sorry, this isn't explained, you just assume that these races will all die.[/BLACKOUT]

One other thing about the ending and the Quorians

[blackout]If you united the Geth and Quorians, a Geth Prime tells you that he can use Reaper code to help the Quorians get out of their suits sooner. If I remember correctly (which I may be), the Reaper code would be in their suits, allowing them to slowly "wean" off the suits while on their home planet. If this is true, wouldn't the destroy option kill the Quorians as well, seeing as they have Reaper coding in their suits?

Again, I may be remembering this incorrectly, as I was just so happy that I reunited the Geth and Quorians that I may have missed something.[/blackout]

 

[Balthus Dire]

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As long as you don't have really low war assets the Earth/Galaxy are saved by whatever you do. The "perfect" ending is Shepard surviving in the Destroy endings. The IGN page just uses some confusing terminology.

Which also doesn't really make sense at all because

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the Mass Relays exploding would've completely obliterated pretty much the entire galaxy.

It's pretty baffling to me that Bioware could make such glaring mistakes within their own game universe, especially after being so apologetic to fans regarding the plot holes and inconsistencies within that ME novel that was recently released.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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I don't think we're meant to assume the relays underwent Arrival style explosions. After all in the future with the old man telling the story the sky is still very much full of stars and when we see the effect spreading throughout the galaxy it doesn't seem to have any effect than spreading the Crucible effect.

The implication is pretty clearly that the Mass Relays discharged a lot of their energy in spreading the Crucible Effect and then exploded relatively harmlessly. Which makes sense since the Crucible designers likely did not want to cause some kind of an apocalypse.

Its just... not explained very well.

 

[Donut]

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As long as you don't have really low war assets the Earth/Galaxy are saved by whatever you do. The "perfect" ending is Shepard surviving in the Destroy endings. The IGN page just uses some confusing terminology.

I plan on starting my perfect Trilogy play through today. But after that with how bad the Mass Effect 3 endings are. I probably wont play these games for a long while

 

[Harriet Tubman]

I plan on starting my perfect Trilogy play through today. But after that with how bad the Mass Effect 3 endings are. I probably wont play these games for a long while

Thats what I've heard from alot of gamers. I mean, I think 3 is still the best of the franchise, even including the ending. I started a new game a couple of hours after I beat my first playthrough.

By the time I got to Palaven, I really realized that [BLACKOUT]nothing I do matters, that none of my choices mean anything[/BLACKOUT] and I quit. I haven't played since.

Oh well, atleast I have Dark Souls.

 

[Donut]

Thats what I've heard from alot of gamers. I mean, I think 3 is still the best of the franchise, even including the ending. I started a new game a couple of hours after I beat my first playthrough.

By the time I got to Palaven, I really realized that [BLACKOUT]nothing I do matters, that none of my choices mean anything[/BLACKOUT] and I quit. I haven't played since.

Oh well, atleast I have Dark Souls.

What I am doing is re playing all 3 games again. But after that. Probably not for a long while

 

[zenith16]

I hope that's just another bug in that case. and there's something we're not able to access due to ALL that. But the way your making it sound and if that's trully is the case, about our chose not mattering in the long run then..... ughhhhhh.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

[BLACKOUT]Turians/Krogans/Salarians/Asari on Earth with no food to support their systems? Quorians on their ships around Earth, despite the fact that you just got them their planet back? Sorry, this isn't explained, you just assume that these races will all die.[/BLACKOUT]

Salarians and Asari eat the same food as we do. [BLACKOUT] The Quarians and Turians are more in a pickle, though the Quarian fleet did have the larger sphere ships in the fleet, its possible that they may be able to supply themselves and the Turians with rations in the short term until a solution can be worked out. [/BLACKOUT]

[blackout]If you united the Geth and Quorians, a Geth Prime tells you that he can use Reaper code to help the Quorians get out of their suits sooner. If I remember correctly (which I may be), the Reaper code would be in their suits, allowing them to slowly "wean" off the suits while on their home planet. If this is true, wouldn't the destroy option kill the Quorians as well, seeing as they have Reaper coding in their suits?

Again, I may be remembering this incorrectly, as I was just so happy that I reunited the Geth and Quorians that I may have missed something.[/blackout]

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The Geth were introducing mild viruses and such in order to adapt the Quarians more quickly to Rannoch's environment. Their suits would still work in either case.

 

[SpideyVille]

I still have my Female Shep to finish on Insanity in ME2, and I'll take that playthrough into ME3 since I would have made the opposite choices with her, and I'll try to finish the Insanity playthrough in ME3 afterward. But right now, I'm only playing for the trophies, so since there's a few that need me to play MP in order to get a better ending, I'm thinking of sending the game back to Gamefly and waiting until I can afford to buy it before I continue with that.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Salarians and Asari eat the same food as we do. [BLACKOUT] The Quarians and Turians are more in a pickle, though the Quarian fleet did have the larger sphere ships in the fleet, its possible that they may be able to supply themselves and the Turians with rations in the short term until a solution can be worked out. [/BLACKOUT]

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The Geth were introducing mild viruses and such in order to adapt the Quarians more quickly to Rannoch's environment. Their suits would still work in either case.

Cool. Like I said, I was still giddy [BLACKOUT]and depressed over Legion[/BLACKOUT] and know I missed something.

I know someone posted the Forbes article (and its follow up) here, but this part really stuck with me

For content creators and the journalists that cover them to say fans are “whining” or “entitled” is missing the point. Keeping the fans happy is what keeps them coming back to the brand. If being great once upon a time sold tickets, M. Night Shyamalan’s box office receipts might rival James Cameron‘s. But once that trust fades, it doesn’t take long to go from eager anticipation to dread, wondering how badly they’ll screw something up next.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/13/why-fan-service-is-good-business/2/

Exactly. Over time, actions like this (and the day 1 DLC fiasco) will likely come to bite Bioware back.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I am hoping that other Game Developers are taking note on the **** storm Bioware is so rightfully getting. Let this be a wake up call for everybody else making games. I would even want FOX News to chip in on this one

That seems a little...much, doesn't it?

And I don't want FOX News anywhere near my Mass Effect. Everytime they do, they claim that there's hardcore man-on-man-on-female-on-alien orgy sex scenes that sounds like some out of this world sex simulator.

It's like they read the blog of someone who didn't play the games at all.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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The main thing is they will need to rethink their drive core discharge system. FTL travel in ME is still pretty good, they can cover about 12 light years in a day.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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I don't think we're meant to assume the relays underwent Arrival style explosions. After all in the future with the old man telling the story the sky is still very much full of stars and when we see the effect spreading throughout the galaxy it doesn't seem to have any effect than spreading the Crucible effect.

The implication is pretty clearly that the Mass Relays discharged a lot of their energy in spreading the Crucible Effect and then exploded relatively harmlessly. Which makes sense since the Crucible designers likely did not want to cause some kind of an apocalypse.

Its just... not explained very well.

As much as your theory makes sense, it's still just as speculative as saying

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the relays destroyed everything. The problem is, we don't know what happened, because Bioware didn't tell us.

However, the only other "true" thing that we do know from previous Bioware canon is that the destruction of a Mass Relay causes an epic explosion that can wipe out systems. So, being that's the only thing we know for certain, it seems pretty natural to assume that's what would happen in this case. That's far less speculative than saying they might've only caused a small energy discharge "just because."

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm moreso basing this on the fact that I sincerely doubt [BLACKOUT] Bioware was portraying a galaxy wide apocalypse at the end. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Balthus Dire]

Yeah, they probably wouldn't be that short-sighted.

 

[smashmode]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but essentially *ending spoilers*

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Reapers were created to kill organics before they created synthetics that would kill organics. huh?

 

[zenith16]

yeah that seem to be the case smash mode. it's a double negative when you think about it. but that's the case.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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They should've just kept the Reapers simple, man. There was nothing wrong with the Reapers just resetting the universe every few hundred thousand years. There doesn't need to be some crazy over-complicated-double-negative motive behind it.

 

[Benstamania]

I don't want to sound like I'm repeating myself.. However I'm not going to complain because I'd be willing to bet that we're going to get DLC that expands on the ending...

Now, we should have got endings that didn't require that... And I'm sure there will be some that won't buy it (or at least say that they won't on the interwebs) but at least it will be something.

Do I like that? No. Will I buy it? Yes.

End of the day Bioware gave me much more enjoyment out of the Mass Effect series to let the ending and the controversy that surrounds it get me to the point where I want to write them off. They made a mistake... As long as it doesn't happen again I'll let them slide.

Edit: I hate typing on my phone.

 

[zenith16]

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They should've just kept the Reapers simple, man. There was nothing wrong with the Reapers just resetting the universe every few hundred thousand years. There doesn't need to be some crazy over-complicated-double-negative motive behind it.

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they just over thought it . if they were saying their were the galaxy's /natures way of keeping order it would have been fine too.

I don't want to sound like I'm repeating myself.. However I'm not going to coming because I'd be in to bet that we're going to get DLC that expands on the ending... Post ending DLC.

Now, we should have got endings that didn't require that... And I'm sure there will be some that won't buy it (or at least say that they won't on the interwebs) but at least it will be something.

Do I like that? No. Will I buy it? Yes.

End of the day Bioware gave me much more enjoyment out of the Mass Effect series to let the ending and the controversy that surrounds it get me to the point where I want to write them off. They made a mistake... As long as it doesn't happen again I'll let them slide.

I'm still hopeing for that my self bens . I've said my self here enough times. even though some are sayin they shouldn't bother. but we'll see.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but essentially *ending spoilers*

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Reapers were created to kill organics before they created synthetics that would kill organics. huh?

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The Reapers which are organic constructs, not totally synthetic, kill advanced organic civilizations to stop them from creating Synthetic life which would rebel and kill their creators.

The distinction is that the Catalyst says that Synthetic life would eventually kill ALL organic life everywhere, where as with the Reapers organic life continues to exist in a cyclical pattern.

 

[zenith16]

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still a double negative though.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

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The Reapers which are organic constructs, not totally synthetic, kill advanced organic civilizations to stop them from creating Synthetic life which would rebel and kill their creators.

The distinction is that the Catalyst says that Synthetic life would eventually kill ALL organic life everywhere, where as with the Reapers organic life continues to exist in a cyclical pattern.

But the jist of it is what he said.

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Reapers are made of both synthetic and organic parts, but that doesn't change the fact that they are destroying organic life because organic life would be destroyed anyways.

 

[zenith16]

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which is why it's a double negative.