Mass Effect 3

[Upset Spideyfan]

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Not really. The Reapers in their view their way allows organic life to continue rather than be totally extinguished. It would be a double negative if they harvested ALL organic life, not just the advanced ones.

 

[zenith16]

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ehhhhhhh that logic still doesn't jive too well.

best intentions or not.

 

[smashmode]

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The Reapers which are organic constructs, not totally synthetic, kill advanced organic civilizations to stop them from creating Synthetic life which would rebel and kill their creators.

The distinction is that the Catalyst says that Synthetic life would eventually kill ALL organic life everywhere, where as with the Reapers organic life continues to exist in a cyclical pattern.

BUT

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If done right, Shepard proves that Synth and organics can co-exist! He proved the Catalyst wrong. That there is another way.

bleh

 

[zenith16]

see. oh well.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

BUT

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If done right, Shepard proves that Synth and organics can co-exist! He proved the Catalyst wrong. That there is another way.

bleh

Exactly. By [BLACKOUT]uniting the Geth and Quorians, he did just that. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Balthus Dire]

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The Reapers themselves are conundrum if their entire goals are based on organics/synthetics not being able to co-exist when the Reapers themselves are an amalgamation of both. It's just stupid.

Also, in talks about the ending and

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the possibility of Shep being indoctrinated

I highly suggest you guys check out this thread:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052/1

Some really awesome insights, and if true I think this ending could end up being the greatest ending in the universe. Spoilers, obviously.

 

[Reek]

man all this hate for the ME3 endings makes me not even want to finish the game.

then again, ill judge myself how bad the ending is...i just cant imagine bioware not ending it in a great way... so for the sake of being a bioware fan... i am going to assume you are all idiots

atleast until i get disappointed at the end :ashamed:

 

[TX85]

I have 3 days trying to do this mission

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"Geth Fighter Squadron"on Rannoch

It's in my Journal But I cant find/select the Tikkun system for some reason

I also need

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Reaper Code Fragments

for a Citadel side-quest and I think I need to do the

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Rannoch"

mission to get them

It's f'n frustrating!..

 

[taskmaster]

But the jist of it is what he said.

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Reapers are made of both synthetic and organic parts, but that doesn't change the fact that they are destroying organic life because organic life would be destroyed anyways.

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But they aren't destroying all organic life, just the intelligent species. From their point of view they're elevating the most intelligent races to take part in a cycle that allows less intelligent species to evolve without being destroyed by synthetics created by organic life.

 

[Master Chief]

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That stupid motivation is why I want it to be indoctrination so bad.

 

[zenith16]

oh well. I think the 2003 astro boy did a better job of showing organic's and synthetics co- exsisting after a major war or what you'd have seen there as near one. as the main hero was doing every thing possible to prevent it from the start. it was smaller scale after all too..

And also even though it was shown out of order on the networks and not really finished. but it's out on dvd finished. the organic's got to stay as them selves and not be killed off and the robots were to be seen as equals and destroyed and some got a planet of their own since they didn't trust humans. but depends on how you want to view it I guess.

 

[Master Chief]

man all this hate for the ME3 endings makes me not even want to finish the game.

then again, ill judge myself how bad the ending is...i just cant imagine bioware not ending it in a great way... so for the sake of being a bioware fan... i am going to assume you are all idiots

atleast until i get disappointed at the end :ashamed:

The ride there is incredible. I didn't even mind the credits music coz even over the sound of my cussing I could hear hints of Faunts in there. But yeah, the ending hurts my head and heart in so many ways.

 

[taskmaster]

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That stupid motivation is why I want it to be indoctrination so bad.

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I hate the supposed indoctrination ending. It's even worse than ME3's actual ending. At least in the real ending you get to make a choice. Sure it could have been a lot better and they could have given us some closure with all the characters. But if your character is indoctrinated it further invalidates all of your decisions.

After the Reapers saw that Synthetics and Organics could live together without destroying each other because of what Shepard did they allowed Shepard to break the cycle and allow them to live together at the cost of his life. I'm not all that bother with their motivation or the ending in general. The only thing that bothers me is there's no real happy ending, where Shepard defeats the Reapers and gets to see his crew again.

 

[TX85]

Like the ending or not,I think the game deserves to get finished!!

 

[Master Chief]

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I hate the supposed indoctrination ending. It's even worse than ME3's actual ending. At least in the real ending you get to make a choice. Sure it could have been a lot better and they could have given us some closure with all the characters. But if your character is indoctrinated it further invalidates all of your decisions.

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jessssus chriiiiist. Why do people think being indoctrinated invalidates anything? It doesn't! What it means is YOU WERE TRICKED. Making a choice isn't RIGHT or WRONG if Shepard is having his mind tampered with by Harbinger.

 

[smashmode]

Exactly. By [BLACKOUT]uniting the Geth and Quorians, he did just that. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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ehhhhhhh that logic still doesn't jive too well.

best intentions or not.

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It makes sense in a machine sort of way.

If the Catalyst was given the task of finding a way to stop Synthetic revolution then it comes to the conclusion that inevitibly Organics create Synthetics. The Synthetics in turn Rebel and Kill All Organics. The Catalyst's solution is to stop the Organics that are creating the Synthetics.

Since it seems to value organic life its solution is store organic life patterns in Reaper form while leaving primitive civilizations alone until they too posess the ability to create synthetic life.

BUT

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If done right, Shepard proves that Synth and organics can co-exist! He proved the Catalyst wrong. That there is another way.

bleh

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That's where the ending goes pear shaped. Shepard should have argued that very thing. This is where a possible "good ending" should have lay. With the Catalyst analyzing the new data, Shepard making his case for the galaxy based on the unity they had shown and the Reapers deciding that under current conditions their purpose was null and void and withdrawing from the galaxy.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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I hate the supposed indoctrination ending. It's even worse than ME3's actual ending. At least in the real ending you get to make a choice. Sure it could have been a lot better and they could have given us some closure with all the characters. But if your character is indoctrinated it further invalidates all of your decisions.

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But it would be an insanely bold and fresh move from the videogame industry. Think about how stunning that would be and how immersed you truly would be in the game. You, the player, have been indoctrinated; not only through Shepard's eyes, but through the eyes of the player. And you don't even realize it at the time. It would be quite brilliant, IMO. Unless they charge $$ for it, in which case it's a new low.

Also, check out the link I posted earlier regarding the indoctrination. It has a lot of great points that might sway you.

 

[zenith16]

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lol yup to be indoctrinated is just brain washed .simple as that.

not sure why it's appealing ether.

 

[smashmode]

man all this hate for the ME3 endings makes me not even want to finish the game.

then again, ill judge myself how bad the ending is...i just cant imagine bioware not ending it in a great way... so for the sake of being a bioware fan... i am going to assume you are all idiots

atleast until i get disappointed at the end :ashamed:

See you back here in a week or two.

 

[taskmaster]

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That's where the ending goes pear shaped. Shepard should have argued that very thing. This is where a possible "good ending" should have lay. With the Catalyst analyzing the new data, Shepard making his case for the galaxy based on the unity they had shown and the Reapers deciding that under current conditions their purpose was null and void and withdrawing from the galaxy.

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But he did do that in the synthesis ending where both forms of life become one form.

 

[smashmode]

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But they aren't destroying all organic life, just the intelligent species. From their point of view they're elevating the most intelligent races to take part in a cycle that allows less intelligent species to evolve without being destroyed by synthetics created by organic life.

Which makes zero sense if the canonical ending is that

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Shepard got Geth and Quarians to be peaceful

 

[Balthus Dire]

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But he did do that in the synthesis ending where both forms of life become one form.

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In the synthesis ending Shep forces all organic and synthetic life in the galaxy to become a merger of the two, like the Husks. How is that possibly a "good" ending?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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In what I proposed Shepard is able to make the case for the galaxy in its current state, in the Synthesis ending Shepard alters the galaxy so that the Reapers have nothing to harvest anymore.

 

[taskmaster]

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jessssus chriiiiist. Why do people think being indoctrinated invalidates anything? It doesn't! What it means is YOU WERE TRICKED. Making a choice isn't RIGHT or WRONG if Shepard is having his mind tampered with by Harbinger.

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It's just a bad ending to the series. Being indoctrinated means it's not actually your decision, you were controlled by the reapers. The whole series was based on making decisions and you take that away with indoctrination. In the game's final moments you have to choose how the galaxy will exist in the future by either destroying, controlling or synthesis. If you're indoctrinated then the reapers win. They take away any free will that organic and synthetic life have.