Mass Effect 3

[Reek]

soapy i have the same issue, my galactic readiness has been at 50% since i started the game. ive picked up a ton of war assets to, no multiplayer.

i dont really get why they transfer your multiplayer progress from the demo to the game, but dont adjust it to the galactic readiness level. atleast is didnt for me.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

And your ignoring what Bioware put in front of you just because you didn't like the way the series wraps up. What are you going to do if they don't release any new ending? Just complain about it more.

No, it seems like you are ignoring the journal entries, including the one on indoctrination. It clearly says [BLACKOUT]those who are indoctrinated will hear buzzing noises. Wait a tick, didn't Vega say, on multiple occasions, that he heard buzzing noises when near Shepard? It also says that indoctrinated beings will have vivid nightmares and see ghostly apparitions. If I remember correctly, don't you have some nightmares in the game? And you see what appear to be ghosts? Why put any of these things into the game, knowing what the journal says? Is this Bioware being lazy? Who knows. [/BLACKOUT]

And either way, whats it to you? Why are you so against those who would prefer a different ending. Its pretty pathetic, to be honest. Us talking about this changes nothing as far as the game is concerned, so....again, whats it to you?

 

[X Knight]

You can, but you have to import your ME3 character to get more assets. The most I got in one playthrough was 6850. If I didn't play multiplayer I would have had 3425 war assets in the final battle and would have to play through again for a better ending.

thanks!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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Honestly I get they want to retcon the ending, but the indoctrination ending just feels like fans in total denial reading way too much into things.

 

[taskmaster]

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Dude.

I don't WANT that.

But I would be blown away by what they did to me, and all the other players out there. It's an incredible concept. Not only that but it would be brilliant writing on the level with everything they wrote before, unlike this "conclusion". It would mean that my enemy tricked me. And I failed.

Would that ending be too sad for you to handle?

There is TONS of evidence supporting it, and TONS of foreshadowing throughout the game. And again, it explains inconsistencies in the ending. Such as how is Shepard breathing in space?!!

The evidence is IN the game. Indoctrination is explored in EU stuff but everything you need is in the game if you're keen enough to pick up on it.

We're not ignoring it. We're trying to make sense of it in a way that doesn't assume they're lazy or incompetent.

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But the Reapers goals make sense. They're weeding out the Galaxy, taking intelligent life and uplifting them so that they can take part in their cycle. Their fear is that Synthetics will destroy all organic life which was never the goal of the Reapers. And it's a valid fear that you can support but destroy the Geth. You can say that Reapers could just tell organics to not create Synthetic life but that's not something that Organics can obey. We tell people not to murder or they'll get the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder nor will it.

And no, the ending isn't too sad. I don't like it because it's dependent on a twist, which is almost always bad writing. If everything goes to hell because of your previous decisions I'd be fine with it. You didn't get enough people to help you so you can't possibly defeat the Reapers. I'd be fine with something like that. But just telling the player you've been indoctrinated isn't satisfying to me.

 

[Reek]

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just trying to fit in

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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Sup.

 

[taskmaster]

No, it seems like you are ignoring the journal entries, including the one on indoctrination. It clearly says [BLACKOUT]those who are indoctrinated will hear buzzing noises. Wait a tick, didn't Vega say, on multiple occasions, that he heard buzzing noises when near Shepard? It also says that indoctrinated beings will have vivid nightmares and see ghostly apparitions. If I remember correctly, don't you have some nightmares in the game? And you see what appear to be ghosts? Why put any of these things into the game, knowing what the journal says? Is this Bioware being lazy? Who knows. [/BLACKOUT]

And either way, whats it to you? Why are you so against those who would prefer a different ending. Its pretty pathetic, to be honest. Us talking about this changes nothing as far as the game is concerned, so....again, whats it to you?

Because if you had your way you'd invalidate my play through just to serve your own. There are better options that leave everyone happy without making every decision I've made in the game worthless by saying I'm indoctrinated. And I like to think I've keep it civil with Master Chief. But you, you're kind of a *****e.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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Dude, I'm sorry...you're more than entitled to your opinion, but you are clearly ignoring all the arguments against your argument just because and it's stupid. If you're not even gonna bother reading up on why the theory is entirely plausible (via links made very easily available to you...) and that the hints are clearly VERY present in the game (whether Bioware choses to go that route or not) then you're just being willfully ignorant.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

Because if you had your way you'd invalidate my play through just to serve your own. There are better options that leave everyone happy without making every decision I've made in the game worthless by saying I'm indoctrinated. And I like to think I've keep it civil with Master Chief. But you, you're kind of a *****e.

Do you really think that I have any impact on what Bioware is doing? Do you really think that Bioware is going "HEY, THOSE GUYS ON SUPERHEROHYPE WANT THIS, SO LETS CHANGE IT!"

Its fan theories, man. Its fanfic. If it doesn't happen, so what? Why are you so against even the discussion of it and end up resorting to name calling.

Also

 

[Master Chief]

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But the Reapers goals make sense. They're weeding out the Galaxy, taking intelligent life and uplifting them so that they can take part in their cycle. Their fear is that Synthetics will destroy all organic life which was never the goal of the Reapers. And it's a valid fear that you can support but destroy the Geth. You can say that Reapers could just tell organics to not create Synthetic life but that's not something that Organics can obey. We tell people not to murder or they'll get the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder nor will it.

And no, the ending isn't too sad. I don't like it because it's dependent on a twist, which is almost always bad writing. If everything goes to hell because of your previous decisions I'd be fine with it. You didn't get enough people to help you so you can't possibly defeat the Reapers. I'd be fine with something like that. But just telling the player you've been indoctrinated isn't satisfying to me.

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Their goal doesn't make sense considering how much they despise organic life.

It might not be satisfying to you but it fits in so many ways; unlike the ending we got which is full of plot holes you were supposed to fill when we started going back and forth. Now we're down to opinions.

I'm passionate about this because, look, can you look at that ending and tell me it lives up to all these moments?

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• Fighting on the moon of Palaven.
• Fighting through Cerberus while mortars are bombing the hell out of the battlefield.
• Finally getting to meet Kahlee Sanders.
• Jack not being able to cuss in front of her students, and Joker giving her s**t for it hahah.
• Killing Cerberus troops with a mech.
• Wrex and Shepard shake hands. Bros 'til the end.
• Mordin singing, knowing he's going to die. It made me feel sick.
• Grunt coming out of the tunnels barely alive.
• Cerberus attack the Citadel.
• Legion referring to himself as "I" before he kills himself.
• Ending the war between the Quarian and Geth.
• Garrus and Joker cracking jokes in the cockpit.
• Overhearing Kenneth talk to Gabby about EDI hahah.
• A little friendly competition with Garrus.
• Saying a prayer for Thane, when Thane really meant the prayer for Shepard.
• Losing Thessia.
• Renegading Kai Leng.
• Walking in on Garrus and Tali.
• Vega asking Javik if he has any jokes.
• Vega and Garrus trading stories, trying to prove which one is a bigger badass.
• Finding Ashley hungover in the corner of the observation room.
• Tali getting wasted at the bar.
• Ash reciting a verse from Invictus.
• Legion offering to help Garrus with gun calibrations.
• Seeing how the geth uprising started.
• Discovering just how messed up Sanctuary is.
• Touching the Salarian's computer over and over and over. And over.
• The batarian terrorist from Bring Down the Sky sticking a gun in my back.
• Talking to Conrad Verner about how guns use thermal clips now.
• Jenna, the undercover operative I saved from ME1, saving Conrad Verner's life.
• Vega and Cortez debating the merits of the mako and the hammerhead.
• Fighting through the streets of London while the cannon is shaking the earth.
• Getting blasted by Harbinger and seeing Shepard all messed up.

Coz I can't buy the same writers who brought me all that leaving me with a swiss cheese ending.

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just trying to fit in

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Isn't it fun!

 

[zenith16]

soapy i have the same issue, my galactic readiness has been at 50% since i started the game. ive picked up a ton of war assets to, no multiplayer.

i dont really get why they transfer your multiplayer progress from the demo to the game, but dont adjust it to the galactic readiness level. atleast is didnt for me.

the demo was just that a demo for you to see what it was like to play in Mp and sp. none of that stuff from the demo was ever gonna transfer to your game from that thing except for your Xbox avatar getting a Normandy just when you got access to the demo that was it.

if you want thatready up what you have do is do the real MP or not to do the real MP that you got with the game (and some how I'm channeling shakes spear.) and on improving it you have beat silver, gold etc and do most of the stuff master chief did. which I'm kinda doing my self. But you don't have to if you don't want to.


ok I got some news but I'll put it in spoilers since it say's it spoils stuff any way.

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This Wonderful Mass Effect 3 Art Is Full Of GIANT SPOILERS





Matt Rhodes is one of my favourite concept artists in the business. Why? Because his style, using bright, colourful cartoon characters for games that are often very dark and serious in tone, is a breath of fresh air in an industry where a lot of art ends up looking exactly the same. More »

source :kotaku
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/03/th...-3-art-is-full-of-giant-spoilers/#more-495334

 

[BrollySupersj]

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Honestly I get they want to retcon the ending, but the indoctrination ending just feels like fans in total denial reading way too much into things.

Likewise. It's just getting sad now.

 

[smashmode]

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Honestly I get they want to retcon the ending, but the indoctrination ending just feels like fans in total denial reading way too much into things.

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were trying to come up with solutions to fix huge gaps that bioware put in game

 

[Balthus Dire]

MC, your post made me remember how incredibly awesome this game is, even in spite of the end. It seriously would've been perfect with a better ending IMO. Such a weird feeling...it's like I love the game, but the end taints it for me. BLEH!!!

 

[Matt]

I think the argument can be made to support [blackout]indoctrination[/blackout] but certain posters...not naming names....are going too far with the theory. The evidence is at best vague and they are acting like it is definitively stated.

 

[Master Chief]

MC, your post made me remember how incredibly awesome this game is, even in spite of the end. It seriously would've been perfect with a better ending IMO. Such a weird feeling...it's like I love the game, but the end taints it for me. BLEH!!!

Hell yeah. It's still one of the best games I've ever played despite the ending.

Oh, and more fuel for the ending theory!

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Remember that reaper on Rannoch who was practically face to face with Shepard?

Reaper: Shepard.
Shepard: You know who I am?
Reaper: Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

lol! Mmmhmmmm.

 

[Matt]

Umm...that makes a lot more sense as a in a "we will kill you for fighting against us," context.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Just finished it.

Very emotional, powerful, and epic 3rd ending installment to one of the best franchises.

But the ending does leave a lot to be desired and I'm rather disappointed overall by it. The sense of fulfillment wasn't there but I get it...

 

[Master Chief]

Umm...that makes a lot more sense as a in a "we will kill you for fighting against us," context.

Works either way. :]

 

[Balthus Dire]

I think the argument can be made to support [blackout]indoctrination[/blackout] but certain posters...not naming names....are going too far with the theory. The evidence is at best vague and they are acting like it is definitively stated.

NOBODY has stated that the theory is a fact. We're just talking about possibilities. And nobody said that the evidence is a fact either, but what is a fact is that some of the evidence that could support the theory is in the game. It's right there in front of your face. Is it up for interpretation? Of course...but so is literally everything else about the ending, so what's the friggin difference??

If you haven't already, read this:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052/1

Sorry to keep posting it but wasn't sure if you'd seen the link.

 

[Matt]

Works either way. :]

I suppose, but I'm taking an Occam's Razor approach, the most likely answer is usually right. If [blackout]Indoctrination[/blackout] were in play, odds are it would've been specified in a much clearer manner. It was at best vaguely hinted at. It takes more of a stretch to believe it than believe that Shepard was [blackout]indoctrinated[/blackout] than it does to believe that Bioware just left a lot of **** on the cutting room floor (in fact, we have evidence through scripts and what not to support that).

NOBODY has stated that the theory is a fact. We're just talking about possibilities. And nobody said that the evidence is a fact either, but what is a fact is that some of the evidence that could support the theory is in the game. It's right there in front of your face. Is it up for interpretation? Of course...but so is literally everything else about the ending, so what's the friggin difference??

If you haven't already, read this:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9861052/1

Sorry to keep posting it but wasn't sure if you'd seen the link.

There are PLENTY of folks treating it like absolute, word of God, fact. Right now it is at best a theory supported by some evidence (but really not much). Most of the evidence relies heavily on fan inference. There is no direct evidence. To believe it, it takes connection of dots that just aren't there. Not that they're wrong, just that we don't have the evidence to be defending it as adamantly as some are.

 

[zenith16]

matt their just trying to make sense of it so their not left wonder about something like that for the freaking rest of their lives and still say it was never finished. and bugging all the people connected to it for years to come.

like what was done with that freaking dungeons and dragon cartoon that was on CBS when we were kid's and were left wondering did those freaking kids ever get to find their way home ? and was was upwith that dungeons master midget? Most tv shows have been trying to make sure they have an end to their stories since then when their canceled and right now ME3's starting to fall into that category for games. for some reason that sort of thing haunts people in some thing they enjoyed.

 

[Master Chief]

I suppose, but I'm taking an Occam's Razor approach, the most likely answer is usually right. If [blackout]Indoctrination[/blackout] were in play, odds are it would've been specified in a much clearer manner. It was at best vaguely hinted at. It takes more of a stretch to believe it than believe that Shepard was [blackout]indoctrinated[/blackout] than it does to believe that Bioware just left a lot of **** on the cutting room floor (in fact, we have evidence through scripts and what not to support that).



There are PLENTY of folks treating it like absolute, word of God, fact. Right now it is at best a theory supported by some evidence (but really not much). Most of the evidence relies heavily on fan inference. There is no direct evidence. To believe it, it takes connection of dots that just aren't there. Not that they're wrong, just that we don't have the evidence to sign off on it.

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There's a mountain of speculated evidence that fits. Every single thing people point out doesn't come across as forced reasoning, and you simply can't deny that the whole sequence felt wrong. Not even because they cut stuff out, just because of the way it was presented. Shepard is very special to the reapers, so much so that they wanted to recover his corpse. \

Moments after Harbinger lands we're lead on this trippy journey to the citadel... Hahah, it's hard not to believe. I'm more convinced that it's indoctrination because the only defence for the ending as is: Bioware are a bunch of lazy asshats.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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were trying to come up with solutions to fix huge gaps that bioware put in game

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I think the ending as is can be fixed with a bit of an overhaul without making 2/3 choices in the retail game wrong and creating a rather bizarre canon divide between people who get some kind of potential DLC vs those who don't.