Mass Effect 3

[Master Chief]

Ok, I haven't really been convinced about one thing with the theory:

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The kid isn't real. But this...

Doesn't that look like a warning sign that the vents are electrified? LOL! How is he in there? There was clearly power before that room got wrecked, and even power after because the door started to open. Hahahah.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Yea. For me it was that bad. Those were movies I only had to give up a few hours of my life for. I've dedicated so much time to the Mass Effect franchise it isn't even funny. And it was all basically negated in 15 minutes.

Why did I think it was that bad? Oh there are so many reasons. Aside from the crazy plot holes, it completely negates basically every choice you've made throughout the series, alienates crucial themes and achievements. Basically nothing you did matters in the end.

And it's a shame because the rest of the game is an achievement.

That sounds terrible. I am still gonna pick this game up at some point but my excitement level has been seriously diminished.

I kind of agree that the ending of something, book, movie, whatever, can in fact ruin the experience as a whole. Especially if the parts leading up to that ending make for such a great story or achievement or what have you.

 

[Master Chief]

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The VI would have detected the presence of Reaper indoctrination in Shepard's mind because it can do so, it identifies two very different sources of Reaper presence on two very different scales, one physical and one mental.

To say 'Oh well it can't detect this one because uh....' Is forcing the game to fit the indoctrination theory and not the other way around.


And if we try and say Shepard gets indoctrinated at the END when he meets the Catalyst, then I'm sorry - you don't understand how indoctrination works.

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LOL depending on the choice he makes with the catalyst, yeah, that would make him indoctrinated at the end.

Notice how in Control and Synthesis, Shepard drops the gun? Notice how in the Destroy ending Shepard grips the gun even tighter?

Looking at all the other dream symbolism throughout (death corridors, shifting walls, devil and angel, etc. etc.) the gun is Shepard's will to fight. Dropping it means Shepard has given into the influence.

Oh, and answer me this. Why are Shepard and Anderson suddenly being controlled by TIM?

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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I will say in regards to the whole - the ending negates my actions complaint. The entirety of the Krogan, Quarian and Geth races are not present at the end, certainly the same goes for the Asari/Salarians and Turians.

So if you cured the Genophage, the Krogan on Tuchanka will still get to enjoy it. If you united the Quarian/Geth, the Quarians and Geth still on Rannoch will still get to enjoy the peace.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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The VI would have detected the presence of Reaper indoctrination in Shepard's mind because it can do so, it identifies two very different sources of Reaper presence on two very different scales, one physical and one mental.

To say 'Oh well it can't detect this one because uh....' Is forcing the game to fit the indoctrination theory and not the other way around.


And if we try and say Shepard gets indoctrinated at the END when he meets the Catalyst, then I'm sorry - you don't understand how indoctrination works.

...I just......




Anyway...in other news, fresh off the press from Bioware's Chris Priestly:

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.

We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

 

[Soapy]

That sounds terrible. I am still gonna pick this game up at some point but my excitement level has been seriously diminished.

I kind of agree that the ending of something, book, movie, whatever, can in fact ruin the experience as a whole. Especially if the parts leading up to that ending make for such a great story or achievement or what have you.

I agree that a bad ending can ruin everything that came before it, just how a good ending can justify or redeem everything that came before it.

Honestly though, while pretty bad, Mass Effect 3's ending isn't that bad. A bad five minutes at the end doesn't negate the awesome 30-40 hours that preceded it. Just try and enjoy the ride and you'll be fine.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I agree that a bad ending can ruin everything that came before it, just how a good ending can justify or redeem everything that came before it.

Honestly though, while pretty bad, Mass Effect 3's ending isn't that bad. A bad five minutes at the end doesn't negate the awesome 30-40 hours that preceded it. Just try and enjoy the ride and you'll be fine.

Eh, no worries. I plan on going into this game with an open mind, as best I can, and try to enjoy it. From the look and sound of it, ME3 seems to be a great achievement in video games and will probably still be up for game of the year despite complaints about the ending.

Actually, now that I know about a possible horrible ending to this game, I may end up not minding it so much. Seeing as how my thoughts will be looking toward a worst-case scenario, my expectations will be low and the ending probably won't be 'as bad' in my eyes.

 

[Carnage27]

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I will say in regards to the whole - the ending negates my actions complaint. The entirety of the Krogan, Quarian and Geth races are not present at the end, certainly the same goes for the Asari/Salarians and Turians.

So if you cured the Genophage, the Krogan on Tuchanka will still get to enjoy it. If you united the Quarian/Geth, the Quarians and Geth still on Rannoch will still get to enjoy the peace.

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Yes and no. Are there people left there? Probably. But it still negates the reprocutions of the action. Why does it matter that I cured the genophage now that the Krogan can't do anything with it? The whole big deal with doing it was that people were afraid the krogan would spread out again over the galaxy. Well it turns out there's absolutely no threat of that happening, so what does it matter?

And the Geth/Quarian thing was a more personal thing considering Tali is on your team. To be honest, I probably would have let the Geth win if Tali wasn't on my team. But having her hoomeworld meant so much, you really can't do that. Taking away her victory and the future on her homeworld really sunk a dagger into the power of that whole plotline.

 

[Master Chief]

Eh, no worries. I plan on going into this game with an open mind, as best I can, and try to enjoy it. From the look and sound of it, ME3 seems to be a great achievement in video games and will probably still be up for game of the year despite complaints about the ending.

Actually, now that I know about a possible horrible ending to this game, I may end up not minding it so much. Seeing as how my thoughts will be looking toward a worst-case scenario, my expectations will be low and the ending probably won't be 'as bad' in my eyes.

I spoiled the ending for myself about a week before the game came out. I'm glad I did because I knew I didn't have much to look forward to, so I could enjoy everything as it happened. Yet even though I knew what the ending had in store for me I still sat through the credits disappointed hahahah.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Another example of things not mattering...

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the Rachni Queen. So, they have this great buildup all the way from ME1 where you can either save her or kill her, then when she shows up in ME3 you can save her again, and she agrees to fight the Reaper with you....and the epic conclusion?

She becomes a number in your War Assets bar. Wowwwwwww.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Here's a video of the TRUE ending that Bioware cut out



Spoiler heavy, so do not watch if you haven't finished the game.

 

[jacobed]

Over 30,000 members http://www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3#!/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

Ridiculous and dumb overreaction

 

[Master Chief]

Here's a video of the TRUE ending that Bioware cut out



Spoiler heavy, so do not watch if you haven't finished the game.

LOL much better.

Another example of things not mattering...

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the Rachni Queen. So, they have this great buildup all the way from ME1 where you can either save her or kill her, then when she shows up in ME3 you can save her again, and she agrees to fight the Reaper with you....and the epic conclusion?

She becomes a number in your War Assets bar. Wowwwwwww.

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To make that even worse, you'd just have to deal with a new queen if you killed the "last" one lol.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Btw, everyone who is totally disappointed with the ending, good luck with that whole petition thing. Those things always work out for disgruntled gamers.

 

[smashmode]

Eh, no worries. I plan on going into this game with an open mind, as best I can, and try to enjoy it. From the look and sound of it, ME3 seems to be a great achievement in video games and will probably still be up for game of the year despite complaints about the ending.

Actually, now that I know about a possible horrible ending to this game, I may end up not minding it so much. Seeing as how my thoughts will be looking toward a worst-case scenario, my expectations will be low and the ending probably won't be 'as bad' in my eyes.

Play the game right till the very end, then when it comes to the conclusion, turn it off, and dream up your own ending.

It will make it much easier to enjoy the entire game.

 

[smashmode]

Ridiculous and dumb overreaction

OMG consumers actually voicing their complaints for a Business to give them a better product. How dare they!

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

...I just......

If you can't handle somebody disagreeing with you - you shouldn't even bother posting.

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The fact is that when confronted with the Prothean VI the only way this theory works is if you put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I spoiled the ending for myself about a week before the game came out. I'm glad I did because I knew I didn't have much to look forward to, so I could enjoy everything as it happened. Yet even though I knew what the ending had in store for me I still sat through the credits disappointed hahahah.

LOL. Yeah, I've been fortunate enough to have kept my nose clean so far. Hopefully I'll be able to get this game within the next couple of weeks.

 

[Master Chief]

Btw, everyone who is totally disappointed with the ending, good luck with that whole petition thing. Those things always work out for disgruntled gamers.

The petition won't change anything but it's cool to see how many people are coming together over this hahah. That FB group got more than 5000 new members since I found out about it.

I think the game was just released in Asia markets so they'll probably come forward with their announcement sometime this week. Next week for sure. It's obvious they have more planned.

 

[smashmode]

Btw, everyone who is totally disappointed with the ending, good luck with that whole petition thing. Those things always work out for disgruntled gamers.

Fan Petitions can work. There have been documentated cases of this.

 

[Carnage27]

I think the game was just released in Asia markets so they'll probably come forward with their announcement sometime this week. Next week for sure.

And it will probably be, "Finish the fight...FOR REAL! New DLC containing the true Mass Effect 3 ending! Only $20!"

 

[Master Chief]

LOL. Yeah, I've been fortunate enough to have kept my nose clean so far. Hopefully I'll be able to get this game within the next couple of weeks.

It's awesome, no doubt. But I just remembered this extra thing: As if the ending weren't enough of a slap in the face, you get a prompt to buy DLC after the credits roll lmfao.

 

[Balthus Dire]

If you can't handle somebody disagreeing with you - you shouldn't even bother posting.

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The fact is that when confronted with the Prothean VI the only way this theory works is if you put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes.

No, it doesn't. I think, sir, that it is you with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut.

Both myself and MC have explained to you numerous times why the Prothean VI doesn't matter. You either legit don't understand or are refusing to understand.

 

[Carnage27]

No, it doesn't. I think, sir, that it is you with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut.

Both myself and MC have explained to you numerous times why the Prothean VI doesn't matter. You either legit don't understand or are refusing to understand.

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The Indoctrination theory has merit, but it doesn't make things any better, IMO.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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LOL depending on the choice he makes with the catalyst, yeah, that would make him indoctrinated at the end.

Notice how in Control and Synthesis, Shepard drops the gun? Notice how in the Destroy ending Shepard grips the gun even tighter?

Looking at all the other dream symbolism throughout (death corridors, shifting walls, devil and angel, etc. etc.) the gun is Shepard's will to fight. Dropping it means Shepard has given into the influence.

Oh, and answer me this. Why are Shepard and Anderson suddenly being controlled by TIM?

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A lot of this is coming in and making the evidence fit the theory, not the other way around.

Shepard will of course tighten his hold on the gun in Destroy because - Shepard is about to use his gun.

The dream symbolism again creates the question of when does Shepard's indoctrination begin? Are the dreams a sign that the Reapers are working him over? Then the Prothean VI should have detected him.

Does it happen during the charge? Indoctrination does not work that quickly, there's no precedent elsewhere in the game, and in fact I can point to ME1 when we recieve a time frame that does not support this theory.

As for Illusive Man, I'm not going to pretend that there isn't something happening in this scene but the source of it is quite clearly Illusive Man. He's swimming in Reaper tech, he's suddenly biotic even though he's never been one before. Whatever is happening Anderson and Shepard both have their faculties.

If you're saying he gets indoctrinated when he runs into the Catalyst then all the previous evidence your pointing to is meaningless since Shepard wouldn't have been indoctrinated then. If he was why doesn't the Prothean VI point him out as such?