Mass Effect 3

[smashmode]

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The Indoctrination theory has merit, but it doesn't make things any better, IMO.

Its better than what we have now.

 

[Master Chief]

And it will probably be, "Finish the fight...FOR REAL! New DLC containing the true Mass Effect 3 ending! Only $20!"

Sadly I'll buy it, coz I'm a spineless consumer who needs to see how it really ends.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

No, it doesn't. I think, sir, that it is you with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut.

Both myself and MC have explained to you numerous times why the Prothean VI doesn't matter. You either legit don't understand or are refusing to understand.

Sorry but I'm not the one that is posting face palms. If you want to go down that route, fine then.

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And no - you haven't proved why the Prothean VI doesn't matter. All you've said is "No - it doesn't! Because then this theory doesn't work!"

I can point to the Prothean VI as being able to detect Reapers and Indoctrination. Show me a SINGLE case where it fails to do so.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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The Indoctrination theory has merit, but it doesn't make things any better, IMO.

That's your opinion, and that's fine. I'm not trying to say whether or not it'd be better or worse, but rather that one can't just ignore suggestions to support the "theory" simply because one does not like it.

Same as those who like the theory can't just ignore points against it "just because."

 

[eternalinferno]

So yea, anyone want to discuss the other 99% of the game? I'm sorry I'm just getting tired about all this ending talk, like can we talk about all the awesome stuff that came before it?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

The petition won't change anything but it's cool to see how many people are coming together over this hahah. That FB group got more than 5000 new members since I found out about it.

I think the game was just released in Asia markets so they'll probably come forward with their announcement sometime this week. Next week for sure. It's obvious they have more planned.

Yes, well 'cool' isn't exactly the word I'd use for this. 30,000 people in a facebook group is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions of copies sold... But hey, those vocal minorities are great... We all appreciate the effort you guys go to, to express your rage.

 

[Carnage27]

Its better than what we have now.

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It's slightly better storywise, but it's a whole lot worse in a "Bioware is made up of a bag of *****" situation. If that's the case, they willingly sold an incomplete game. DLC after the fact doesn't bother me, because up to this point it was some nice side stories that added bits and pieces to the story. Not the damned ending of the game.

And if I have to pay to get the actual ending of the game, which beforehand was marketed as the end of the story? Yea, that's one of the biggest dick moves I've ever seen.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

It's awesome, no doubt. But I just remembered this extra thing: As if the ending weren't enough of a slap in the face, you get a prompt to buy DLC after the credits roll lmfao.

LOL. Nice. Nothing better than rolling around on the ground in pain from being kicked in the nuts, when they walk up to you and then heel stomp your face.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also, totally loving the back and forth arguing of theories as if they are facts or based on codex information... This is getting dangerously close to 'Could Superman outrun the Flash' territory.

 

[Reek]

damn i need to hustle up and beat this game to join the conversation. im really shocked bioware finished their top series, one of the top trilogies of all time in any medium in such a way that an overwhelming amount of people hate the ending.

i would understand it being 50/50 because its so damn hard to satisfy everyone with the conclusion of a 100hrs of gameplay, but damn. we have freaking petitions on facebook for a new ending??

 

[Carnage27]

Sadly I'll buy it, coz I'm a spineless consumer who needs to see how it really ends.

If it's really what happens, and I do have to pay for the actual game's ending, I'll be trading in my games and not buying a Bioware game again.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Sorry but I'm not the one that is posting face palms. If you want to go down that route, fine then.

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And no - you haven't proved why the Prothean VI doesn't matter. All you've said is "No - it doesn't! Because then this theory doesn't work!"

I'm posting facepalms because your lack of comprehension is extremely trying.

I'll say it again though:

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SHEPARD WAS NOT INDOCTRINATED WHEN HE MET THE PROTHEAN VI. THROUGHOUT THE GAME, SHEPARD'S MIND BECOMES MORE AND MORE FRAGILE AS THE EFFECTS OF THE BATTLE TAKE A TOLL ON HIM. HE IS SLOWLY FEELING THE INFLUENCE OF THE REAPERS. AT THE END OF THE GAME, WHEN SHEPARD IS LYING UNCONSCIOUS IN A PILE OF RUBBLE, HARBINGER TAKES ADVANTAGE OF HIS WEAKENED MIND AND TRIES TO FULLY INDOCTRINATE HIM. THE EVENTS THAT FOLLOW ARE AN INDOCTRINATION ATTEMPT.

THAT IS HOW THE THEORY WORKS.

 

[smashmode]

So yea, anyone want to discuss the other 99% of the game? I'm sorry I'm just getting tired about all this ending talk, like can we talk about all the awesome stuff that came before it?

ME 3 OST is one of the best video game soundtracks I have ever heard.

There.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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Indoctrination does not work that way. Again I will repeat:

RAPID indoctrination takes several days.

Indoctrination that leaves the user with their faculties takes LONGER.

Shepard cannot be indoctrinated in 15 minutes.

 

[Master Chief]

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A lot of this is coming in and making the evidence fit the theory, not the other way around.

Shepard will of course tighten his hold on the gun in Destroy because - Shepard is about to use his gun.

The dream symbolism again creates the question of when does Shepard's indoctrination begin? Are the dreams a sign that the Reapers are working him over? Then the Prothean VI should have detected him.

Does it happen during the charge? Indoctrination does not work that quickly, there's no precedent elsewhere in the game, and in fact I can point to ME1 when we recieve a time frame that does not support this theory.

As for Illusive Man, I'm not going to pretend that there isn't something happening in this scene but the source of it is quite clearly Illusive Man. He's swimming in Reaper tech, he's suddenly biotic even though he's never been one before. Whatever is happening Anderson and Shepard both have their faculties.

If you're saying he gets indoctrinated when he runs into the Catalyst then all the previous evidence your pointing to is meaningless since Shepard wouldn't have been indoctrinated then. If he was why doesn't the Prothean VI point him out as such?

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Indoctrination works by influencing an individual over time. Even Saren took a really long time to become indoctrinated because of how Sovereign worked him. He gave Saren enough freedom to feel in control. Saren's indoctrination began in 2165. He didn't even fully realize he was indoctrinated until 2183 when Shepard convinced him he was wrong.

btw, what TIM was doing had nothing to do with biotics.

You're the one who doesn't understand indoctrination, and that's why I told you to read about it. Shepard giving up by not destroying the reapers will allow them access to his mind and take control of it because as long as there's a little fight in somebody, they can fight back. Shepard was clearly at the end of a very long road and this was Harbinger's best chance at claiming the prize. Vega hearing a humming noise, the whispers in his nightmares, the shadows... you're ignoring all of that because you don't like twist endings.

 

[X Knight]

well, say what you will, whether it was intentional or not, Bioware certainly succeeded in getting people to talk about the game and create buzz.

now......if this will ultimately help or hurt Bioware.......that remains to be seen........

 

[smashmode]

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It's slightly better storywise, but it's a whole lot worse in a "Bioware is made up of a bag of *****" situation. If that's the case, they willingly sold an incomplete game. DLC after the fact doesn't bother me, because up to this point it was some nice side stories that added bits and pieces to the story. Not the damned ending of the game.

And if I have to pay to get the actual ending of the game, which beforehand was marketed as the end of the story? Yea, that's one of the biggest dick moves I've ever seen.

If Bioware makes us pay, we riot.

 

[El Bastardo]

It doesn't negate what I liked about the series and the things I liked about Mass Effect 3. It was a terrific game aside from the last 15 terrible, terrible minutes.

And it does none of those other things? Okay...

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So then when did I just spend 3 hours trying to rectify the centuries long Geth-Quarian War if in the end it doesn't matter because synthetic life will always kill biological? Or why do I have to kill the Geth I just rectified just because Ziggy Starchild tells me to?

Why did I save the Quarian homeworld only to have their fleet help me and end up stuck at Earth in the end?

Why did I save the Krogan from the Genophage to have their males end up stuck on earth?

Why throw out the whole idea of being a paragon of peace and understanding and uniting the galaxy when in the end the entire galaxy is cut off from one another?

No matter what you do. Everything ends up more or less the same. The entire galaxy is cut off from each other. The Reapers are defeated one way or another. You're dead. None of the painstaking actions you went through, none of the peace negotiations, none of the rest. Because one way or another, it's all gonna turn out basically the same.

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Because that's the way the cookie crumbles. If you don't like the ending, for whatever reason - it makes you sad, you don't think it's worth the payoff, what have you - that's perfectly fine. That's an opinion. You can not like it all you want. Saying an ending is bad, or poorly fit, or whatever most people have been ranting about is a whole other thing entirely.

You did those things because they were a part of the story. They were a part of the lead up to the end. There's no rulebook somewhere - written or unwritten - that states an ending has to be positive. So why did you do those things? Because they needed to be, at the time, done, to manage an attack on the Reapers. You don't -have- to destroy the Geth. But synthetic life is synthetic life. The ending would be discredited if those were the stakes, but there was a happy cookie button over there that made sure nothing sad happened to the people you were invested in.

As for the rest of the blurb, no, you're not dead in every ending. Furthermore, you can't comment on how anything else goes, because there's no evidence.

Arguing the specifics of something is one thing - arguing based on conjecture in the absence of evidence and specifics is something else entirely.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Also, totally loving the back and forth arguing of theories as if they are facts or based on codex information... This is getting dangerously close to 'Could Superman outrun the Flash' territory.

Uhh...are you trying to say that the codex entries aren't facts? So why are they in the game?

 

[El Bastardo]

Spoiler

Indoctrination does not work that way. Again I will repeat:

RAPID indoctrination takes several days.

Indoctrination that leaves the user with their faculties takes LONGER.

Shepard cannot be indoctrinated in 15 minutes.

And this is what's correct.

 

[smashmode]

well, say what you will, whether it was intentional or not, Bioware certainly succeeded in getting people to talk about the game and create buzz.

now......if this will ultimately help or hurt Bioware.......that remains to be seen........

The Total Biscuits guy basically saying Bioware did this on purpose to create 'buzz', brand awareness, and 'chatter'.

Like they say, even bad publicity is good publicity.

 

[X Knight]

If it's really what happens, and I do have to pay for the actual game's ending, I'll be trading in my games and not buying a Bioware game again.

I'm leaning towards this, too.

in my case, I just won't buy the game........lol.

the "extra" DLC better be damn good if they are going to charge me for a full game and then again to "finish" the game for "real"........

 

[Master Chief]

damn i need to hustle up and beat this game to join the conversation. im really shocked bioware finished their top series, one of the top trilogies of all time in any medium in such a way that an overwhelming amount of people hate the ending.

i would understand it being 50/50 because its so damn hard to satisfy everyone with the conclusion of a 100hrs of gameplay, but damn. we have freaking petitions on facebook for a new ending??

There's even a charity movement where they donate to Child's Play. They raised a couple thousand so far I think.

So yea, anyone want to discuss the other 99% of the game? I'm sorry I'm just getting tired about all this ending talk, like can we talk about all the awesome stuff that came before it?

I posted a list of my fave moments a couple pages back. Page 23 I think. Post yours! :]

 

[smashmode]

damn i need to hustle up and beat this game to join the conversation. im really shocked bioware finished their top series, one of the top trilogies of all time in any medium in such a way that an overwhelming amount of people hate the ending.

i would understand it being 50/50 because its so damn hard to satisfy everyone with the conclusion of a 100hrs of gameplay, but damn. we have freaking petitions on facebook for a new ending??

They've done something to new to combat the 'negative aspect' of demaning a new ending, they are donating money for the children. Interesting tactic.

 

[smashmode]

There's even a charity movement where they donate to Child's Play. They raised a couple thousand so far I think.

40k