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Like I said yesterday: "True ending coming in June! only $15!"

If they charge for the true ending and it is successful, they set a very bad precedent for the video game industry. If they give it away for free, it will be an unprecedented and innovative way of telling a story....BUT it also sets a very bad precedent for the video game industry because it will only be a matter of time before some company says, "Bioware released an incomplete game and got X amount of downloads. We can do the same and charge for the rest of the game!"

Either way, nothing good will come of this. And I would be shocked if EA gives it away for free.
 
If they charge for the true ending and it is successful, they set a very bad precedent for the video game industry. If they give it away for free, it will be an unprecedented and innovative way of telling a story....BUT it also sets a very bad precedent for the video game industry because it will only be a matter of time before some company says, "Bioware released an incomplete game and got X amount of downloads. We can do the same and charge for the rest of the game!"

Either way, nothing good will come of this. And I would be shocked if EA gives it away for free.

Yup. Either way it's a mistake.

BUT, if they came out and said, "We're sorry. We dropped the ball and didn't have this done in time. We're giving it out for free." I'd be okay with it. And I think the bad press that this situation has gotten will deter other companies for trying to pull a stunt like this.

But you're right. I don't see EA giving something like this away for free. I would hope that a paid DLC of the "real" ending, if it happens, is shunned by the gamer community...but I don't see that happening.
 
If they charge for the true ending and it is successful, they set a very bad precedent for the video game industry. If they give it away for free, it will be an unprecedented and innovative way of telling a story....BUT it also sets a very bad precedent for the video game industry because it will only be a matter of time before some company says, "Bioware released an incomplete game and got X amount of downloads. We can do the same and charge for the rest of the game!"

Either way, nothing good will come of this. And I would be shocked if EA gives it away for free.

I dont think they can if they wanted to. Doesnt MS force dev's to charge for DLC over a certain file size? No way they release the pack for free on the PSn and charge for it via XBL. They'll just charge for it on both.

But even if thats not the case it won't be free due to the extra costs it takes for them to produce the DLC.
 
man, rereading those 2 quotes that smashmode posted above ( definitive ending, no A/B/C type ending ).........that just makes my blood boil.

I am reminded of that State of the Union speech a few years back when that lone Republican interrupted the President and shouted "You Lie!"

while I personally think it was rude for him to do that ( whether you agree with the President or not ), it does kind of reflect how I'm feeling now.

so......to Bioware, I stand up and shout: "You Lied!!"
 
If they charge for the true ending and it is successful, they set a very bad precedent for the video game industry. If they give it away for free, it will be an unprecedented and innovative way of telling a story....BUT it also sets a very bad precedent for the video game industry because it will only be a matter of time before some company says, "Bioware released an incomplete game and got X amount of downloads. We can do the same and charge for the rest of the game!"

Either way, nothing good will come of this. And I would be shocked if EA gives it away for free.

I agree.

it would really set a bad precedent. I'd be very interested to see how consumers respond.
 
agreed.

I mean....they keep saying........"let more people have the chance to play the game" before we can talk about it more freely.

but don't they also realize that they are potentially alienating newcomers to the series who are now hesistant to purchase the game ( like me )?

I think there is a good point about "letting more people finish the game". Speaking as someone whose been playing nothing but ME3 since it was released, and still haven't been able to finish it.

It's only slightly related, but I think one of the major missteps EA made with ME3, was trying to pitch this game as newbie friendly. I wonder how different some of the game may have been if they had thrown all the focus on the import-aspect. That is easily the most unique thing about Mass Effect. It's probably one of the most unique things done this generation of games.

Rule 1 of public relations: If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. Yes. She should just keep quiet until she has something substantial to add and if she really feels the need to talk, then do so without dropping ominous little hints and implications.

Are they PR? Or is it just the twitter accounts of just the developers?

I could see, if they're not PR, them wanting to calm some people down by trying to toss hints (without burning themselves down by breaking out the secrets) to people who might be spamming them with messages?

I dunno. Just a thought.

If they charge for the true ending and it is successful, they set a very bad precedent for the video game industry. If they give it away for free, it will be an unprecedented and innovative way of telling a story....BUT it also sets a very bad precedent for the video game industry because it will only be a matter of time before some company says, "Bioware released an incomplete game and got X amount of downloads. We can do the same and charge for the rest of the game!"

Either way, nothing good will come of this. And I would be shocked if EA gives it away for free.

Won't be for free, I think, since people seem so desperate for it. EA will get their blood money.

For what it's worth, other games have done some...weird things with the ending. This "not a complete game" thing has happened before, probably with different aspects though.

Prince of Persia did something that was way worse, for example. I've heard criticism thrown at the newest Final Fantasy, I believe, for that same reason.

I dont think they can if they wanted to. Doesnt MS force dev's to charge for DLC over a certain file size? No way they release the pack for free on the PSn and charge for it via XBL. They'll just charge for it on both.

But even if thats not the case it won't be free due to the extra costs it takes for them to produce the DLC.

Good point.

The developer of The Witcher 2, CD Projekt Red, actually said that. I think there's been DLC that they've released for free on the PC version, and that they wanted to do the same with the upcoming Xbox 360 version...but Microsoft will not allow it.

On a larger scale, a company like Microsoft knows that they have consumers accustomed to paying for content. Keeping us on the ropes seems like something they really want to continue.

It's why I can't use Netflix on my 360 without a Gold membership, even though I can use it on my PS3 without a Playstation Plus membership.
 
man, rereading those 2 quotes that smashmode posted above ( definitive ending, no A/B/C type ending ).........that just makes my blood boil.

I am reminded of that State of the Union speech a few years back when that lone Republican interrupted the President and shouted "You Lie!"

while I personally think it was rude for him to do that ( whether you agree with the President or not ), it does kind of reflect how I'm feeling now.

so......to Bioware, I stand up and shout: "You Lied!!"

Well, Wilson was wrong. Aside from being a *****e, he was...well, wrong too.

Maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate, but what did Bioware lie about, exactly? Seems like this case could be alot broader.
 
I ask that mostly because I got the feeling that EA was backing away from "this is your Shepard" marketing that I, sort of fuzzily, remember it being with ME2. I remember that was a huge thing with ME2.

I was, honestly, a little turned off by how they seemed to try and reach out to...what I would consider non-Mass Effect players, with this game.

It's so strange too. You'd think they'd want to tout their horn for doing something nobody, anywhere in the gaming industry, does. At all. I understand that in a weird way they'd have to end up counter market their own game by getting people to play the older games...but wouldn't that then leave them open for creating bundles/packages to bring those players over?
 
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Are they PR? Or is it just the twitter accounts of just the developers?

I could see, if they're not PR, them wanting to calm some people down by trying to toss hints (without burning themselves down by breaking out the secrets) to people who might be spamming them with messages?
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The lady making the majority of the tweets is their "community outreach director," so yeah, it sounds like a PR-related position.

Won't be for free, I think, since people seem so desperate for it. EA will get their blood money.

For what it's worth, other games have done some...weird things with the ending. This "not a complete game" thing has happened before, probably with different aspects though.

Prince of Persia did something that was way worse, for example. I've heard criticism thrown at the newest Final Fantasy, I believe, for that same reason.

But nothing has been on this scale. Prince of Persia undid their ending to add on to the game, but the ending still stood alone. Plus, it isn't the much publicized ending to the studio's flagship franchise.


Good point.

The developer of The Witcher 2, CD Projekt Red, actually said that. I think there's been DLC that they've released for free on the PC version, and that they wanted to do the same with the upcoming Xbox 360 version...but Microsoft will not allow it.

On a larger scale, a company like Microsoft knows that they have consumers accustomed to paying for content. Keeping us on the ropes seems like something they really want to continue.

It's why I can't use Netflix on my 360 without a Gold membership, even though I can use it on my PS3 without a Playstation Plus membership.

Which is why PSN is better. ;)

But seriously, Sony has pulled a coup with PSN. It has trumped Live in every way. While Live keeps adding bells and whistles along the lines of animated avatars, Sony has been improving their network services and continuing to offer it for free.
 
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I was, honestly, a little turned off by how they seemed to try and reach out to...what I would consider non-Mass Effect players, with this game.


Yea i agree. I remember them saying that this is the best time to jump into the series and I'm thinking "no the hell it's not! You've missed EVERYTHIG if you enter the series now"
 
The lady making the majority of the tweets is their "community outreach director," so yeah, it sounds like a PR-related position.

Oh. Wow. Then that's different.

I could see non-PR people making these types of mistakes with things that aren't part of their job description. But, if she's PR...sounds like missteps.

But nothing has been on this scale. Prince of Persia undid their ending to add on to the game, but the ending still stood alone. Plus, it isn't the much publicized ending to the studio's flagship franchise.

I can understand where your coming from.

But, I thought it was pretty scummy to have people finish a game...and immediately, at that very moment of the end...basically hold the rest of it hostage. To your face. With an actual sales pitch, and price and everything.

I just thought it was something worth pointing out, that there's been scummy things done with endings to games before.

In Prince of Persia's case, though...that seemed to work out horribly for them.

Which is why PSN is better.

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Well, the most recent Prince of Persia wasn't exactly critically acclaimed and the sales weren't great to begin with so that may explain it.
 
Which is why PSN is better. ;)

But seriously, Sony has pulled a coup with PSN. It has trumped Live in every way. While Live keeps adding bells and whistles along the lines of animated avatars, Sony has been improving their network services and continuing to offer it for free.

No, it definitely is not. I use both almost on a daily basis and Live, top to bottom is the better service. It doesn't go down NEARLY as much as Sony's service and is presented in a much better layout than the PSn. Messaging your friends via PSn is a damn chore, it is physically and mentally exhausting. Now, with that being said, is Live 60 bux a year better? No. The better deal is PSn, hands down, but the better service overall is undoubtably Live. It'd be like saying a Mitsubishi Lancer is better than a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. I mean they similar in a lot of ways and the Lancer is cheaper than the Evo, but the Evo is absolutely the better car. And that's all I have to say about that.
 
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That's the point I'm making. I'm not saying it is better than Live, but the price is. And rather than doing something to really distinguish the two of them, they are just adding on little bells and whistles to justify the outrageous price tag.
 
At this point. I think would rather have 10 to 20 minute long Cutscenes & Epilogues after the blast. Instead of paying for DLC. Just add an option in the menu to watch it etc
 
Ughhhhhhhh I'm getting so tired of Bioware's passive aggressive comments.
 
They're running a clinic on how to alienate fans.
 
I'm just spitballing, but part of me thinks believes that 4chan thing is true. Or at least partially true. I think Bioware was planning on releasing some kind of expansion/DLC thing that contained a reworked ending/epilogue/whatever due to the leak after two or three months. I think they anticipated some disappointment over the current ending, but nowhere near the level it has grown to. Finally, I think the tremendous negative backlash has forced their hand a little bit early and the reason they are acting weird and saying cryptic nonsense is their way of hinting that there's "more" to the ending and more on the way without formally announcing anything in an attempt to assuage the fans and calm some of the backlash.
 
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

----Mike Gamble, associate producer of the Mass Effect series

"“Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans.”

----Casey Hudson, director of the Mass Effect series

Maybe this is why people feel so "entitled," to "demand," better endings.
 
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