Matt Reeves To Direct The Upcoming Batman Solo - Part 2

[Rorschach2012]

It’d be a big mistake if they don’t close the trilogy out with the most epic showdown between Batman and Joker. We’ve seen the first meeting of Batman and Joker a couple of times now, but we’ve never seen an established Joker facing off against Batman (SKWAD doesn’t ****ing count). Sprinkle references and cameos throughout the trilogy to set up the third film which would be set in Arkham and based on ASHOSE, and you end the series on the highest note possible.

There’s still a few things that haven’t been done with Joker on film yet.

 

[Invader Joker]

We've never seen Batman slowly losing his sanoty thanks to Joker toxin like in Arkham Knight or Batman Who Laughs

And Pattinson can totally play that.
Just saying.

 

[TheGuy]

Batman trilogies seems to close with a variation of No Man's Land (TDKR and AK). The 3rd film for this trilogy should stray from that approach, I think.

 

[C Prometheus]

Batman trilogies seems to close with a variation of No Man's land (TDKR and AK). The 3rd film for this trilogy should stray from that approach, I think.

Yeah, I'm all for Reeves' trilogy closing with something more akin to A Serious House on Serious Earth personally. Culminate the inward journey Bruce has been going through in the past two films for one hellish night in Arkham with his worst foes, all led by the Joker (and maybe Hugo Strange too).

 

[TheGuy]

Yeah, I'm all for Reeves' trilogy closing with something more akin to A Serious House on Serious Earth personally. Culminate the inward journey Bruce has been going through in the past two films for one hellish night in Arkham with his worst foes, all led by the Joker (and maybe Hugo Strange too).

I could go with that. At some point though there has to be a physical threat equal to Batman, either Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, etc. Because I don't see Reeves going small scale in every film of the trilogy. We'll very likely see an attack that involves Gotham as a whole, but not No Man's Land type.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don’t think Joker needs to be a complete physical match for Batman a la Ra’s or Bane, but he should definitely be able to fight and even get the upper hand. Joker’s fighting style should be so frenzied and unpredictable that its impossible for Batman to predict his next move. Joker actually physically bested Batman in his very first appearance. What he lacks in strength, he more than makes up for in sheer will, unpredictability, and bat-**** craziness. Basically, if Batman is even a little off his game, Joker will likely gain the upper hand. I understand the appeal of a meek yet intelligent Joker in contrast to Batman, but a physical confrontation between the two should go beyond a few punches.

 

[thebatfan5194]

I would love it we actually got a trilogy of smaller more intimate stories. I'm kind of sick of "we need to save the city/planet/universe!" stories, especially after Endgame.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm completely and entirely against the idea of Joker being a good fighter.

 

[BatLobster]

I could go with that. At some point though there has to be a physical threat equal to Batman, either Bane, Ra's Al Ghul, etc. Because I don't see Reeves going small scale in every film of the trilogy. We'll very likely see an attack that involves Gotham as a whole, but not No Man's Land type.

It's ironic that Deathstroke seems to be one of the few hasn't who HASN'T been rumored for this film, when he was the only thing that was confirmed when Affleck was attached to the project.

But if you want to bring in a physical threat at some point that's not Bane or Ra's, he could still be a viable option.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm completely and entirely against the idea of Joker being a good fighter.

I’m not at all. His fighting style shouldn’t be nearly as refined Batman’s, but he should be physically formidable. He should be significantly stronger than your average guy.

 

[JimThompson]

I’m not at all. His fighting style shouldn’t be nearly as refined Batman’s, but he should be physically formidable. He should be significantly stronger than your average guy.

Exactly.

 

[Jekecy]

Batman: Confidential portrayed a very capable Joker to great effect. He was essentially a hitman. And for a serial killer who's often at odds with other forms of criminality, it would make sense for him to be physically formidable in some form anyway.

 

[Invader Joker]

I’m not at all. His fighting style shouldn’t be nearly as refined Batman’s, but he should be physically formidable. He should be significantly stronger than your average guy.

I couldn't care less about what happened in the comics of that era. And why should he even be strong anyway? I can't imagine Joker going to the gym and keeping an strict diet to stay strong. Nah, keep him a psychological threat, physical fights between him and Batman are always boring.

 

[Boy Scout]

I’ve always viewed Joker as more proficient with weapons. Knives, guns, that sort of thing. Batman can learn all the martial arts he wants, but if Joker is firing at him with a machine gun at point blank range, he’s going to die.

 

[JimThompson]

I’ve always viewed Joker as more proficient with weapons. Knives, guns, that sort of thing. Batman can learn all the martial arts he wants, but if Joker is firing at him with a machine gun at point blank range, he’s going to die.

Nothing out there to say the Joker cannot be both good with weapons and physically able.

 

[Boy Scout]

Nothing out there to say the Joker cannot be both good with weapons and physically able.

Cool.

 

[Invader Joker]

I still don't see any necessity whatsoever for a physical confrontation between those two.

 

[JimThompson]

One of my favorite takes on the Joker, Lovers and Madmen, showed him to be a better than average fighter who was excellent with weapons.

 

[JimThompson]

I still don't see any necessity whatsoever for a physical confrontation between those two.

Perhaps not necessary, but certainly not unprecedented. Batman and the Joker have a long history of getting into physical confrontations as well as mental ones.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I couldn't care less about what happened in the comics of that era. And why should he even be strong anyway? I can't imagine Joker going to the gym and keeping an strict diet to stay strong. Nah, keep him a psychological threat, physical fights between him and Batman are always boring.

Really? Those early comics are always going to be pretty relevant, especially when you have modern comic book writers like Snyder that incorporate a lot of elements from those early stories.

Also, Heath’s Joker is nearly a 1:1 adaptation of the Joker’s first appearance. Heath’s Joker easily held his own in a fight, he just didn’t resort to a physical fight unless he had to. That’s what I want to see.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I couldn't care less about what happened in the comics of that era. And why should he even be strong anyway? I can't imagine Joker going to the gym and keeping an strict diet to stay strong. Nah, keep him a psychological threat, physical fights between him and Batman are always boring.

As a character with severe mental illness (I'm talking full-blown insanity here), Joker's brain doesn't connect with the pain he incurs the way a healthy brain would. That's why he's able to withstand all manner of punishment, such as the brutal beating Batman gives him during The Dark Knight's interrogation scene. Simply put, he can push himself beyond ordinary limits.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The brains vs brawn thing is more Lex and Superman than Joker and Batman IMO because Batman and Joker are both very cerebral characters.

I like seeing physical confrontations between Batman and Joker and don’t think it’s boring at all.

 

[Boom]

Batman and Joker throw down in the animated series quite a bit.

 

[The Shape]

I still don't see any necessity whatsoever for a physical confrontation between those two.

It's not a necessity and they don't always get into physical confrontations, but it's something that's bound to happen. The Joker is supposed to be one the world's greatest and most feared super criminals. Therefore, he is extraordinary at what he does -- like Batman is at what he does. Formidable in many ways.

While he appears thin, he is rarely - if ever - portrayed to be a total weakling or someone who can't hold his own in a fight.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Joker doesn't need to be a great fighter. He just needs to be a viscous killer.