MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Captain Marvel

[BigThor]

*checks votes*

TAKE THAT KEVIN FIEGE!

 

[flickchick85]

*checks votes*

TAKE THAT KEVIN FIEGE!

Lots of fanboys in denial. It's ok, Lord Feige will continue to set y'all straight over the next few years.

 

[BigThor]

Lots of fanboys in denial. It's ok, Lord Feige will continue to set y'all straight over the next few years.

I don't see how that works, a lot of people here (including myself) went into the movie expecting Captain Marvel to blow everyone out of the water with her power level......it just didn't happen.

I can understand disregarding my opinion and a few others because we're Thor fans, but a lot of the posters voting for Thor aren't even Thor fans. Not to mention Captain Marvel is shiny and new with a movie that is currently red HOT breaking records at the box office so I'm sure popularity/fanboyism is in her favor right now.

Heck, we've even had Thor fans converting into Captain Marvel fans because of the movie.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't see how that works, a lot of people here (including myself) went into the movie expecting Captain Marvel to blow everyone out of the water with her power level......it just didn't happen.

I can understand disregarding my opinion and a few others because we're Thor fans, but a lot of the posters voting for Thor aren't even Thor fans. Not to mention Captain Marvel is shiny and new with a movie that is currently red HOT breaking records at the box office so I'm sure popularity/fanboyism is in her favor right now.

So you're suggesting this poll is somehow conclusive? Ok...

It's just the opinions of some random hypesters, and she's had exactly one movie where we saw her get her powers in the last 15 minutes, and was only getting the hang of them as she went along. Thor is the more well-known and popular character who's blatantly more powerful in the comics, and had 6 successful films worth of feats. It's hardly a surprising result, lol. She blew through massive Kree bombs and war ships without breaking a sweat, flew off at light speed, and has shown no signs of limitations (people are already complaining she's "too powerful" in her last act and that nothing's a threat to her, so I don't know what else they could do to demonstrate how massively powerful she is). It was certainly more impressive than Thor vs. the Destroyer in his first film. We haven't even begun to see what she's capable of.

 

[BigThor]

So you're suggesting this poll is somehow conclusive? Ok...

It's just the opinions of some random hypesters, and she's had exactly one movie where we saw her get her powers in the last 15 minutes, and was only getting the hang of them as she went along. Thor is the more well-known and popular character who's blatantly more powerful in the comics, and had 6 successful films worth of feats. It's hardly a surprising result, lol. She blew through massive Kree bombs and warships without breaking a sweat, flew off at light speed, and has shown no signs of limitations. We haven't even begun to see what she's capable of.

Thor was nerfed for 4 of those films and you know it, imagine how powerful Thor would've been if his first movie came this late in the game. None of those directors valued Thor and it shows, but nowdays Marvel Studios is finally confident enough to really out some oomph in their characters.

They spent those first 4 films appearances trying to flat out deny him even being a god until Taika Watiti and The Russos came and made things right. Not to mention Joss Whedon flat out doesn't care for Thor or any extremely powerful characters in general.

Captain Marvel basically destroyed a bunch of Kree fodder and flew at lightspeed (still trying to see how that matters in a fight), but I was impressed with the missle catch and destroying the large warship though I stood up and applauded in the theater.

 

[flickchick85]

I 100% agree - Thor's been nerfed in the MCU. Which is why I think MCU Carol would beat him, lol.

 

[BigThor]

Characters I believe are more powerful than Thor

Thanos (IG)
Dormammu
Surtur
Ego (but I think Thor could destroy his core)
Odin
Doctor Strange W/Time Gem (unless Thor can zap him before he uses it)

So I don't think Thor is unbeatable, I just don't think Carol can pull it off.

Btw I do feel Thor Vs Captain Marvel would be highly competitive, I just think he's out last her and actually kill her with Stormbreaker (whereas I can't see her putting him down).

 

[flickchick85]

I actually don't believe Thanos is necessarily more powerful than Thor OR Carol. It just depends on how he uses the gauntlet (which he hasn't honestly been that smart about thus far). But I believe if either of them had been at that Titan battle, they would've won.

 

[BigThor]

I 100% agree - Thor's been nerfed in the MCU. Which is why I think MCU Carol would beat him, lol.

Been nerfed *until* Ragnarok and especially Infinity War you mean.

When I watch Thor *Pre-Ragnarok* I feel like that kid on Space Jam when she said "You ain't the real Charles Barkley" *ahem*...YOU AIN'T THE REAL THOR ODINSON!

 

[flickchick85]

But the Thor I saw in Ragnarok and IW could still totally be beaten by Carol (all he has to do is blast her with his most-powerful blast once, and she's got him, because she absorbs and returns it with interest), so...still nerfed.

The Thor from the comics who can literally punch a planet to pieces has yet to make an appearance in the MCU.

 

[Stormborn]

But the Thor I saw in Ragnarok and IW could still totally be beaten by Carol (all he has to do is blast her with his most-powerful blast once, and she's got him, because she absorbs and returns it with interest).

Carol has yet to show she can absorb energy attacks, never mind return them with interest. You must be thinking of comic Carol, guess she's been nerfed too

Anyway, Thor is immune to his own lightning and tanked the full force of a star so Carol's energy blasts aren't going to be enough to win. The guy tanked hits from Hulk so I can't see her punches putting him down either.

On the other hand, Thor has far better strength and skill feats (we disagree on this but I stand by it), lightning that at the very least could knock her out of the sky and keep her off balance, and most importantly he has Stormbreaker which would end this fight in one hit.

The Thor from the comics who can literally punch a planet to pieces has yet to make an appearance in the MCU.

Sure, MCU Thor is weaker than comic Thor, no argument here.

The thing is though, MCU Thanos, Hela, Captain Marvel, Strange, Wanda, Hulk etc are all weaker than their comic counterparts too so it balances out.

 

[flickchick85]

Carol has yet to show she can absorb energy attacks, never mind return them with interest. You must be thinking of comic Carol, guess she's been nerfed too

Nope, she did it in her movie if you were paying attention.

Anyway, Thor is immune to his own lightning and tanked the full force of a star so Carol's energy blasts aren't going to be enough to win. The guy tanked hits from Hulk so I can't see her punches putting him down either.

He didn't "tank" anything. Those things took heavy tolls on him. And when she returns the energy, it's not in the same form, but rather as a photon blast (eg, it wouldn't be the lightning he's immune to).

On the other hand, Thor has far better strength and skill feats (we disagree on this but I stand by it), lightning that at the very least could knock her out of the sky and keep her off balance, and most importantly he has Stormbreaker which would end this fight in one hit.

As you say, we'll have to agree to disagree on the strength/skill thing, and that Stormbreaker bit is pure speculation. We don't even know if he'd be able to get a clean hit on her with Stormbreaker, as she appears much faster and more agile to me. Powerful as it is, Stormbreaker's clearly a sluggish weapon.

 

[Batmannerism]

Nope, she did it in her movie if you were paying attention.


He didn't "tank" anything. Those things took heavy tolls on him. And when she returns the energy, it's not in the same form, but rather as a photon blast (eg, it wouldn't be the lightning he's immune to).


As you say, we'll have to agree to disagree on the strength/skill thing, and that Stormbreaker bit is pure speculation. We don't even know if he'd be able to get a clean hit on her with Stormbreaker, as she appears much faster and more agile to me. Powerful as it is, Stormbreaker's clearly a sluggish weapon.

I don't think it would be an easy fight and terrain would play a role - fighting in space Carol has a mobility advantage.

In close quarters I give it to Thor although Carol would be quick enough to evade Stormbreaker, which would be slower than Mjolnir just because of its size ( it would take longer to swing). Could she absorb/evade Thor's lightning ? Maybe. Could Thor deflect CM's blasts? Maybe.

I still give Thor the edge due to his much more impressive set of combat feats. CM beat up some Skrulls and Kree but Thor almost took out the Hulk, and survived a fight with Hela - not much of a comparison.
Part of that is his ability to take an absolute pounding and get up again. CM doesn't face that kind of challenge in her film - except maybe for when Talos stuns her with a Skrull weapon early in the film. Otherwise the only person who lands a solid hit on her is Yon-Rogg.


If this fight becomes hand to hand Thor definitely comes out on top IMO.

 

[flickchick85]

So you're basically saying Thor wins because you haven't seen enough challenges for Carol. I disagree, but fair enough - that obviously won't be the case forever.

 

[Stormborn]

Nope, she did it in her movie if you were paying attention. And when she returns the energy, it's not in the same form, but rather as a photon blast (eg, it wouldn't be the lightning he's immune to).

The only example I've heard mentioned so far is that the power dimmed on the Kree Ship when they hooked Carol up to the Supreme Intelligence, which could have multiple explanations but at best is a small hint that Carol has her absorption powers from the comics.

That's an incredibly flimsy basis for saying Carol could absorb Thor's lightning and you don't seem to have any basis at all for saying she can return what she absorbs with interest.

Like I said earlier, I'd like Carol to have that ability. I think it'd be cool. For now though, she hasn't shown it.

He didn't "tank" anything. Those things took heavy tolls on him.

In Sakaar he took a pummeling from Hulk including repeated blows to the head, ragdolled Hulk in on lightning charged hit and then got back up without even seeming dazed. I'd count that as tanking.

As for the star, I agree it took a heavy toll on him but we're talking about a blast more powerful than several nuclear bombs and he withstood it for roughly a minute whilst holding open a titanic mechanism. By feats so far, Carol's photon blasts aren't in the same league.

That Stormbreaker bit is pure speculation.

She doesn't have any feats suggesting she's more durable than Thanos and that axe practically one shotted him.
Carol's fast/agile in the air but I don't see her dodging it forever.

 

[flickchick85]

The only example I've heard mentioned so far is that the power dimmed on the Kree Ship when they hooked Carol up to the Supreme Intelligence, which could have multiple explanations but at best is a small hint that Carol has her absorption powers from the comics.

That's an incredibly flimsy basis for saying Carol could absorb Thor's lightning and you don't seem to have any basis at all for saying she can return what she absorbs with interest.

Like I said earlier, I'd like Carol to have that ability. I think it'd be cool. For now though, she hasn't shown it.

She dimmed the power from the ship, she drained the power lines behind her on Earth, stood there and absorbed the straight-up power blast SI was dealing her (feeding her), AND she did it again when the blasts from the ships hit her and she fired a bigger blast back. Hardly flimsy. And considering it's her BASE power from the comics, I see zero reason to doubt that's what was intended by what was shown.

In Sakaar he took a pummeling from Hulk including repeated blows to the head, ragdolled Hulk in on lightning charged hit and then got back up without even seeming dazed. I'd count that as tanking.

I dunno what fight you watched but he was definitely dazed by that pummeling. And again, I see no reason to believe his lightning would have the same affect on Carol that it does on the Hulk. She's a character whose premise is getting charged by energy blasts.

As for the star, I agree it took a heavy toll on him but we're talking about a blast more powerful than several nuclear bombs and he withstood it for roughly a minute whilst holding open a titanic mechanism. Carol's photon blasts aren't in the same league.

Again, assumption. In the comics, they can absolutely be in the same league, and we have yet to see anything resembling a limit to their power in the movies, so there's no reason to assume either way on that front yet.

She doesn't have any feats suggesting she's more durable than Thanos and that axe practically one shotted him.
I don't think she could dodge it forever.

She wouldn't have to dodge forever, as she'll be getting good hits in herself.

We're never gonna agree here, so I don't know why we keep going in circles, lol. At the end of the day, my stance is REALLY simple: She's a character who seems as strong and durable as Thor to me, but who otherwise appears faster and more agile, and who will only be made stronger by his lightning blasts. No amount of feats you present me with will change that evaluation. I've seen all the same movies you have, and that's the impression I've gotten.

 

[Batmannerism]

So you're basically saying Thor wins because you haven't seen enough challenges for Carol. I disagree, but fair enough - that obviously won't be the case forever.

Like the Credible Hulk I try to back up my rage with reasoning based on evidence ( although I admit I don't always - check out my ridiculous stance on Superman 2, that Supes never killed Zod, but I digress).

Based on what we see in her film we have not seen Carol perform any combat durability feats that are remotely close to Thor's - although we do see her get smacked around by Yon-Rogg and stunned by a Skrull.

Could she blast him out of existence? Maybe, if her blasts are solar in nature ( well they're described as photon blasts) she could probably hurt him - as he was pretty messed up by the star in IW. Of course he bounced back pretty quickly.

Can she absorb or simply tank hits from his lightning ? Hmmmm maybe.

Can she beat him in simple hand to hand. Based on her feats vs his, definitely not.

The evidence suggests that her one impressive durability feat, flying through the Kree Warship was linked to her energy powers. Thor's durability feats are just part of him, he doesn't have to do anything extra he's just really really tough.

As far as challenges go, those too suggest Thor would be victorious - he has come back from some epic whoopings.

TBH other than the appalling sexist attitudes of her air force colleagues I didn't feel like Carol was seriously challenged in that entire film - mind you the fight scene with the Starforce troopers was so badly done that it was very difficult to work out what precisely was happening. Even when Yon-Rogg was attacking her with his energy gauntlets she never seemed to be in much danger. In contrast we've seen Thor nearly killed several times and pushed to his absolute limit and rise up to be victorious.

After Endgame I may change my view - but I was disappointed with how little credit they gave Carol in CM. She deserved a much better story.

There are plenty of examples of female action characters being pushed to their limits and rising past them in a compelling way - e.g. Ellen Ripley, Furiosa, ( Sorry Carol's flashback scenes didn't do much for me - they don't come close to Thor getting clobbered and having his eye cut out by his evil older sister).

Again, if she shows some impressive strength and durability feats in Endgame I may change my view - based on the evidence.

That's why in my first post I suggested we wait or at least revisit this topic after AE comes out.

I am a little surprised by how much the poll favours Thor.

BTW on an unrelated note I heard someone say that Feige described Shuri as the greatest technological intellect in the MCU. She has cooked up some cool tech in her cozy laboratory with limitless amounts of the MCU's magic metal at her disposal.
But...until she manages to invent a miniature reactor based on improvised materials from stolen munitions, in a cave while under constant surveillance and threats of death, while being kept alive by a car battery hooked up to her chest IMO it's Tony, no contest.

Even Rocket Raccoon can't beat that !

Cheers.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Carol got stunned by a Skrull, and Thor was rendered useless by a neck taser on many occasions. I say they even out.

 

[First Avenger]

I just hope they make them equals in Endgame, with some healthy competition between them.

 

[Stormborn]

Carol got stunned by a Skrull, and Thor was rendered useless by a neck taser on many occasions. I say they even out.

Yeah, Carol was wearing some kind of Kree power limiter when the Skrull hurt her and the obedience disk from Ragnarok disrupted Thor's powers as well as tasing him and weakened him enough for Hulk to KO him. The parallels continue.....

 

[Fosterson]

Been nerfed *until* Ragnarok and especially Infinity War you mean.

When I watch Thor *Pre-Ragnarok* I feel like that kid on Space Jam when she said "You ain't the real Charles Barkley" *ahem*...YOU AIN'T THE REAL THOR ODINSON!

Still haven't seen Captain Marvel so I can't comment on who would win this fight, but I disagree about Thor not having any impressive feats before Ragnarok.

In his first movie, he was doing stuff like this:



That's easily on a similar level to his Phase 3 feats.

Heck, even in TDW, he did this:


That shockwave looks easily as powerful as this one (albeit with less lightning):



I'm not denying that Thor got a much needed upgrade in Phase 3, but let's not pretend that he was some kind of weakling before. Thor was pretty clearly the most powerful Avenger even before Ragnarok

 

[BoredGuy]

See, this thread right here is perfectly healthy, and fun
Comic fans love debating this s**t

this is why it annoyed me when Feige said she's "by far the most powerful"
Debating power levels is something we've been doing for forever. They've handled the Hulk Vs Thor debate perfectly over the years, leaving it vague enough that fans can make arguments on both sides for why their fave is more powerful. But by stating definitively that one character is stronger than anyone else, it ruins the debate.

So I'm glad that, despite Feige's comments, the films may still leave it up to the fans to decide

 

[metaphysician]

Thor takes it. He's just more powerful, ultimately. Carol's best feat to date was catching one of the Kree orbital bombardment missiles, and while it was legitimately big. . . its not as good a feat as Thor restarting the Nidavelir ring. Not by a long shot. Carol can try to use her superior speed and maneuverability, but. . . outside of jumping to lightspeed and leaving the fight, the problem is that most of Thor's ranged attacks don't especially care about dodging.

This is not even touching Stormbreaker, or how Carol's durability is, how to put it. . . inconsistent and unclear ( gets up largely unharmed from the escape pod fall while powers are inhibited, still dodges Kree smallarms fire when powered up ).

 

[Fosterson]

Thor was nerfed for 4 of those films and you know it, imagine how powerful Thor would've been if his first movie came this late in the game. None of those directors valued Thor and it shows,

In addition to my response above, I think this is really quite an unfair statement, especially in relation to Branagh. He did a pretty good job of demonstrating Thor's power IMO and it's worth remembering that he is still the only director to show the full breadth of Thor's weather control abilities (e.g. summoning tornadoes). In contrast, both Wattiti and the Russos seem to think that Thor can only control lightning and do nothing else.

I think Branagh at the very least deserves credit for that - regardless of whether you liked the movie or not.

They spent those first 4 films appearances trying to flat out deny him even being a god until Taika Watiti and The Russos came and made things right.

IIRC, it was only in TDW that Odin said they weren't gods. And that was in the context of him trying to chastise Loki for his arrogance. He was basically reminding him that even Asgardians eventually grow old and die (as we see with Odin in Ragnarok).

Asgardians may be Gods in the sense of being extremely powerful, but they aren't truly immortal either - heck Thor himself nearly dies in IW.

So in that sense, I don't really think Wattiti retconned anything. And besides, feats are feats. Whether or not Thor is technically a god or not is irrelevant. Would his star feat in IW have been any less impressive if they had said explicitly that he wasn't a god in Ragnarok?

Not to mention Joss Whedon flat out doesn't care for Thor or any extremely powerful characters in general.

Again, I don't think this is fair to Whedon. He did a pretty good job of establishing Thor as Hulk's near physical equal (and overall outright superior IMO) in Avengers 1, and in AOU (weird cave trip notwithstanding), he gave Thor an integral role in blowing up Sokovia (heck, Tony immediately recognises that Thor is the only one capable of getting the job done). The fact that he was singled out by Ultron also showed who he regarded as being the biggest threat.

 

[Batmannerism]

Depending on poll results (probably won't change much) Captain Marvel vs Hela might be a possibility.

Unless we think that CM could effortlessly catch and crush Mjolnir one handed or shrug off being stabbed by Odin's spear then she's not getting my vote.

Just rewatching the end of Ragnarok and 2 thing occur to me:

1) the Bifrost fight scene is clear proof that Thor beats CM if she gets close to him at all. Hela is massively OP but Thor survives and gets in some hits although she's clearly much too powerful for him - can't see CM doing that well.
It's also a better fight scene than anything in the CM film.

2) Given what he did for Thor, if Taika Watiti had directed CM it would have been the MCU's greatest film easily. Wish they could get him to direct a Superman film.