MCU Fight: Thor Vs. Captain Marvel

[Blade Hoarder]

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captain marvel with ease. She Broly'd Thanos punch to her face. Thor was a geek

 

[Stormborn]

I disagree about EG Thor being totally incomparable to IW Thor.

Okay, let's make some comparisons:

Thor's durability:

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• In Ragnarok Thor is burned by Surtur and pummeled by Hulk without any sign of damage and his healing factor lets him fight through multiple stab wounds from Hela.
• In Infinity War he survives power stone torture to the face, a power stone explosion intended to kill him and survives the "full force of a star" for about 50 seconds.
• In Endgame the other Avengers cringe at the idea he's in better shape to survive wielding the gauntlet than Hulk and single blows from Thanos are enough to stun him and remove him from the fight for minutes at a time.

Thor's skill:

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• Ragnarok Thor showed serious skill/agility when using Mjolnir to overwhelm Surtur, casually dodging Hulk's blows whilst trying to reason with him, impaling Hela in their second fight and giving her a serious challenge in their third fight.
• In Infinity War he throws Stormbreaker quickly enough to cut through an Infinity Gauntlet beam that had already been fired at him.
• In Endgame Thor shows very little skill with his weapons. He throws Mjolnir at Thanos and hits Iron Man. Then he charges Thanos with Stormbreaker but Thanos is able to catch the handle, disarm him and takes it from him when he tries to summon it back. And then Cap picks up Mjolnir (a weapon he's never used before) and puts up a far better fight than Thor did.

Thor versus armies:

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• Ragnarok Thor tore through an army of Undead Asgardians cloaked in lightning that disintegrated any that came too close, whilst cutting through them with a sword and summoning bolts from the sky.
• Infinity War Thor turned the tide of the Battle of Wakanda by tearing through the Outriders with lightning channeled through Stormbreaker, killing hundreds at a time.
• Endgame Thor fought the same Outriders and barely made an impact.

Thor versus Spaceships:

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• IW Thor flew across the battlefield singlehandedly destroying Thanos ships.
• Endgame Thor didn't attempt to take down Thanos flagship. In fact, he never even flew.

Thor versus Thanos:

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• An unarmed Ragnarok Thor, Heimdall and other Asgardians lost to Thanos with the power stone and Black Order off-screen. Details unknown.
• IW Thor blindsided Thanos with lightning to delay the snap and threw Stormbreaker through an Infinity Gauntlet beam and into Thanos chest. He later casually beheaded a weakened Thanos.
• Endgame Thor was trashed by Thanos in 10 seconds. I can't empathise enough that Cap with Mjolnir put up a far better fight.

Thor escapes near defeat:

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• Ragnarok Thor was pinned by Hela so he summoned his lightning and ragdolled a stunned goddess of death.
• Endgame Thor was pinned by Thanos, had time to summon his lightning whilst they wrestled over Stormbreaker but instead only survived because Cap rescued him.

Thanos>>>>>>Thor. The writers went out of their way to show this.

In a fair fight, Thanos would stomp IW Thor just as badly as EG Thor.

If there's one thing the writers went out of their way to make clear it's that the Thor in Endgame was a joke compared to the Thor we saw in Infinity War.

I stand by my view that the Thor we saw in Infinity War would beat Thanos with no stones.

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It's worth remembering we're talking about an enemy who was losing to Scarlet Witch, couldn't hit hard enough to affect Captain Marvel and was clearly less skilled than Cap. He's a beast but he's far from unbeatable.

 

[Fosterson]

Okay, let's make some comparisons:

Thor's durability:

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• In Ragnarok Thor is burned by Surtur and pummeled by Hulk without any sign of damage and his healing factor lets him fight through multiple stab wounds from Hela.
• In Infinity War he survives power stone torture to the face, a power stone explosion intended to kill him and survives the "full force of a star" for about 50 seconds.
• In Endgame the other Avengers cringe at the idea he's in better shape to survive wielding the gauntlet than Hulk and single blows from Thanos are enough to stun him and remove him from the fight for minutes at a time.

The idea that

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putting on weight

would somehow lessen Thor's durability isn't very convincing IMO. As I said above, Volstagg was one of Asgard's most elite warriors despite being

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seriously overweight (arguably more so than Thor in EG)

and was durable enough to tank blasts from the Destroyer with relatively little problem. There's no reason to think that EG Thor couldn't replicate those earlier feats.

And as for being hurt by Thanos, it's worth remembering that Thor was badly bleeding at the start of IW from the beating he had taken at Thanos' hands. A single kick from the Mad Titan was enough to throw him a large distance and injure him sufficiently that he struggled to stand up when Thanos and the Black Order left. And Thor has been made to bleed by other characters before, such as Kurse, Hulk and Ultron, so there's hardly a lack of precedent here.

As I said earlier, Thor has always struggled against big, physical foes.

[/spoiler]Thor's skill:

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• Ragnarok Thor showed serious skill/agility when using Mjolnir to overwhelm Surtur, casually dodging Hulk's blows whilst trying to reason with him, impaling Hela in their second fight and giving her a serious challenge in their third fight.
• In Infinity War he throws Stormbreaker quickly enough to cut through an Infinity Gauntlet beam that had already been fired at him.
• In Endgame Thor shows very little skill with his weapons. He throws Mjolnir at Thanos and hits Iron Man. Then he charges Thanos with Stormbreaker but Thanos is able to catch the handle, disarm him and takes it from him when he tries to summon it back. And then Cap picks up Mjolnir (a weapon he's never used before) and puts up a far better fight than Thor did.

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Cap is faster and more skilled than Thor to begin with, so it would only make sense that with equal physicals (which Mjolnir provided him with) he would seem a lot more impressive.

Also, Hulk was dominated by Thanos just as badly as Thor, so I don't see how Thor outpacing/out-skilling him is really important here and pre-Eternal Flame Surtur was a joke.
Honestly, even Tony would stomp that dude.

And while Thor "beating" Thanos in IW is impressive and all, it's worth noting that the Russos stated that the only reason he was able to do that was because of him being blindsided and not taking Stormbreaker seriously. It wasn't a proper fight.

Thanos in IW never really got out of second gear (aside from when he threw the moon and the Snap itself). He was always two steps ahead of the Avengers and therefore didn't need to try all that hard in order to win.

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Thanos in EG is a different animal altogether, since he realises that his plan ultimately failed and that people weren't grateful to him for wiping out half of all life. As a result, he takes the kid gloves off and and goes all out, making himself far more dangerous.

[/spoiler]Thor versus armies:

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• Ragnarok Thor tore through an army of Undead Asgardians cloaked in lightning that disintegrated any that came too close, whilst cutting through them with a sword and summoning bolts from the sky.
• Infinity War Thor turned the tide of the Battle of Wakanda by tearing through the Outriders with lightning channeled through Stormbreaker, killing hundreds at a time.
• Endgame Thor fought the same Outriders and barely made an impact.

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I don't remember EG Thor having any trouble with the Outriders. We just didn't see as much of him in the final battle since this movie was less about him than IW and there were like a thousand other characters to showcase.

And I don't see EG Thor having any trouble with Hela's legions of cardboard soldiers.

[/spoiler]Thor versus Spaceships:

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• IW Thor flew across the battlefield singlehandedly destroying Thanos ships.
• Endgame Thor didn't attempt to take down Thanos flagship. In fact, he never even flew.

This can be explained by the fact that Thor had a less prominent role in EG than in IW. Tons of other characters needed their moments in the spotlight.

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• Ragnarok Thor was pinned by Hela so he summoned his lightning and ragdolled a stunned goddess of death.
• Endgame Thor was pinned by Thanos, had time to summon his lightning whilst they wrestled over Stormbreaker but instead only survived because Cap rescued him.

If this is a standard move for Thor, then why didn't he do it when Thanos had him pinned down at the start of IW?

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If there's one thing the writers went out of their way to make clear it's that the Thor in Endgame was a joke compared to the Thor we saw in Infinity War.

I stand by my view that the Thor we saw in Infinity War would beat Thanos with no stones.

It's worth remembering we're talking about an enemy who was losing to Scarlet Witch, couldn't hit hard enough to affect Captain Marvel and was clearly less skilled than Cap. He's a beast but he's far from unbeatable.

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All that proves is that Wanda and Carol are head and shoulders above Thor, which the movie emphatically showed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After Endgame, Captain Marvel would now win this for me.

Just curious though BigThor , with the DCEU expanding over the next few years would you ever consider doing character battles for DCEU characters vs Marvel ones?

 

[Iceman]

Is this supposed to be the Endgame versions of both characters?

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Honestly idk what to make of the power levels anymore

Cap did better against Thanos with just mjolnir than Thor did with both mjolnir and stormbreaker. Is he stronger than Thor too?

 

[Fosterson]

After Endgame, Captain Marvel would now win this for me.

Just curious though BigThor , with the DCEU expanding over the next few years would you ever consider doing character battles for DCEU characters vs Marvel ones?

I don't think that would be fair. The DCEU heroes are on a different level to their MCU counterparts in terms of strength, durability and-above all- speed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think that would be fair. The DCEU heroes are on a different level to their MCU counterparts in terms of strength, durability and-above all- speed.

Really? I wouldn’t say so with the movie versions. Or example I think MCU Captain Marvel would beat DCEU Wonder Woman quite easily.

 

[Fosterson]

Really? I wouldn’t say so with the movie versions. Or example I think MCU Captain Marvel would beat DCEU Wonder Woman quite easily.

I was maybe being a bit misleading there. In terms of physical strength and durability, I don't actually think there's too much of a difference between the high end characters of the MCU/DCEU. For example, Hulk's Leviathan feat from Avengers or Thor's star feat in IW are comparable to the best feats from the DCEU. The problem is that the DC characters are shown to be a LOT faster. Characters like Superman and Wonder Woman are casual bullet timers, which is something only Quicksilver demonstrated the ability to do in the MCU.

 

[Stormborn]

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Various arguments that becoming a fat, out of practice alcoholic didn't make Thor far weaker

We're never going to agree on this.

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• Saying "Thor doesn't have a prominent role in Endgame" so he didn't destroy Thanos ship, use lightning to tear through the army etc isn't an in story explanation. The obvious in story explanation is that being a fat, alcoholic who hasn't trained in five years has left him weaker so he couldn't repeat his Infinity War feats.
• Thor just visibly didn't show much skill with his weapons or his lightning in Endgame compared to previous appearances.
• Volstagg isn't proof that Asgardians can be overweight without getting slower or weaker or quit fighting for five years and retain all their skills and muscle memory.

1. We've never seen a healthy Volstagg to make a comparison but he's clearly far slower/less agile than Sif/Hogun/Fandral/Valkyrie etc.
2. He might be overweight but unlike Endgame Thor, he isn't an alcoholic wreck who hasn't fought or trained for five years.
   
3. In the 616 comics Volstagg is the bumbling comic relief. We're often told he used to be a better warrior before he let himself go.

1. I was maybe being a bit misleading there. In terms of physical strength and durability, I don't actually think there's too much of a difference between the high end characters of the MCU/DCEU. For example, Hulk's Leviathan feat from Avengers or Thor's star feat in IW are comparable to the best feats from the DCEU. The problem is that the DC characters are shown to be a LOT faster. Characters like Superman and Wonder Woman are casual bullet timers, which is something only Quicksilver demonstrated the ability to do in the MCU.

I'd maybe even argue the best MCU strength/durability feats are more impressive than what we've seen from the DCEU heavy hitters but you're right, it wouldn't matter.

Thor/Thanos/Hela/Carol etc all have superhuman speed feats but compared to DCEU Wonder Woman they're still slow and compared to Superman they may as well be statues.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

idk. I do feel like Captain Marvel is as strong as Stormbreaker Thor. Like, slight edge to SB Thor. She was the clear powerhouse of EG. Fat Thor (dual wielding Mjolnir/SB) is probably on par with Ragnarok Thor. Because Thanos kinda wipes the floor with him in both cases.

Which I kinda buy. 5 years to Thor isn't that long. But anyone who spirals into that kind of self-loathing, depression, and substance abuse is bound to be in rough shape at the end of it.

The way I see it:
Full gauntlet Thanos >= Stormbreaker Thor >= Captain Marvel
Power stone only Thanos > Fat Thor (dual wield) >= Ragnarok Thor
No stone Thanos >= Fat Thor (dual wield) >= Ragnarok Thor

A slight difference, but worth noting nonetheless. Basically there may be a scenario where Fat Thor wins against Thanos, but it was just an off day/week for Thor. Hell it was an off 5 years. He only came around because he knew it was what was right.

In the end, Captain Marvel wins. Every appearance of Captain Marvel seems stronger to me than *most* appearances of Thor.

Peak Thor (IW) and Peak CM (EG) seem pretty evenly matched.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was maybe being a bit misleading there. In terms of physical strength and durability, I don't actually think there's too much of a difference between the high end characters of the MCU/DCEU. For example, Hulk's Leviathan feat from Avengers or Thor's star feat in IW are comparable to the best feats from the DCEU. The problem is that the DC characters are shown to be a LOT faster. Characters like Superman and Wonder Woman are casual bullet timers, which is something only Quicksilver demonstrated the ability to do in the MCU.

I get to point, Shazam showed speed also, but the likes of Iron Man, Spiderman, Thor and Caps Marvel and America have shown feats of speed also that are comparable with anything the DCEU characters have done.

Captain Marvel Vs Superman would be a tough fight for me to judge personally, even as a Superman fan.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think maybe this deserves a rematch.

 

[Fosterson]

We're never going to agree on this.

Yeah, it's getting pretty circular.

I'd maybe even argue the best MCU strength/durability feats are more impressive than what we've seen from the DCEU heavy hitters but you're right, it wouldn't matter.

Thor/Thanos/Hela/Carol etc all have superhuman speed feats but compared to DCEU Wonder Woman they're still slow and compared to Superman they may as well be statues.

Agreed.

 

[Fosterson]

I get to point, Shazam showed speed also, but the likes of Iron Man, Spiderman, Thor and Caps Marvel and America have shown feats of speed also that are comparable with anything the DCEU characters have done.

None of them have ever done anything like this:

Captain Marvel Vs Superman would be a tough fight for me to judge personally, even as a Superman fan.

DCEU Clark is fast enough to keep up with the Flash and sees Diana (a casual bullet-timer) in slow-motion.

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Judging by her tussle with Thanos in EG, Carol would be a literal statue to Clark.

 

[HammerDown]

An overweight, drunk and out of shape Thor loses against prime Captain Marvel.
In AEG Thor fought Thanos after a long lay off of 5 years where he drunk and ate his way into the state he was in. He was definitely rusty, slower, less agile, had less stamina... He was basically a shadow of his former self.

Now prime Thor from the end of IW is a whole different ball game. He had the massive offensive power, durability, fighting skills, flight, absolute control over lighting... enough to rival anyone.

 

[Batmannerism]

I get to point, Shazam showed speed also, but the likes of Iron Man, Spiderman, Thor and Caps Marvel and America have shown feats of speed also that are comparable with anything the DCEU characters have done.

Captain Marvel Vs Superman would be a tough fight for me to judge personally, even as a Superman fan.

I disagree with you on the speed feats for Marvel vs DCEU, in Justice League we see WW, Flash and Superman perform feats of speed that are more impressive than anything any MCU character has shown except Quicksilver - while Cap can block bullets with his shield Diana is fast enough not just to evade or block them but intercept them to protect others ( using her bracelet which are much smaller than Cap's Shield). In terms of Iron Man, his flight speed in IW is impressive, but he's human and only has human level reflexes. He does deflect some of Hawkeye's arrows ( much slower than bullets) but had a fair bit of space ( and a functioning targeting computer to help). Diana blocks bullets at close quarters.

As for Spidey, well Maguire and Garfield could probably rival Diana's reflexes but not skill - MCU Spidey hasn't had any really impressive reaction time feats yet ( even Thanos was quick enough to grab him).

Thor ? He's a very skilled fighter, and would give any DCEU hero serious problems - Stormbreaker might be powerful enough to severely injure Superman - although his vulnerability to magic is very inconsistent, he isn't extra vulnerable to magic it's just that sometimes his powers work against magic and sometimes they don't. Who knows? Thor is definitely the much better fighter though. Could Thor beat Diana in close quarters? Maybe - although she took blows from Doomsday and shrugged them off. Would her weapons harm Thor, probably. It would be a good fight either way.

Captain Marvel vs Superman would be a good one - because Captain Marvel is pretty much the MCU's version of superman, she flies in to save the day. While she's probably nearly as strong, a better fighter and has similar - maybe even faster flight speed- she has 2 problems 1) we haven't seen any speed feats in terms of reflexes that even come close to Superman (in Justice League). 2) Her powers are solar, which means her photon blasts are going to make Superman stronger and heal any damage she inflicts on him.


IMO Thor has a better chance against Supes - although Thanos caught Stormbreaker - which means Supes could too, although Thor's greater skill level would make a big difference, and make up for a lot of Superman's speed advantage.

In the same way Captain Marvel probably has a better chance against Diana, provided she stays out of close range ( although Diana's shield could probably deflect her blasts).

It's all speculation though as all these characters' powers fluctuate between films.

 

[Bach]

We saw Captain Marvel flying at the speed of light at the end of her film. It is incredibly stupid, I hate the movie for that and many more reasons, but yeah that happened.

 

[Batmannerism]

We saw Captain Marvel flying at the speed of light at the end of her film. It is incredibly stupid, I hate the movie for that and many more reasons, but yeah that happened.

I guess she probably flew faster than light or at least could make hyper space jumps on her own - a lot like silver age Superman.

 

[Stormborn]

An overweight, drunk and out of shape Thor loses against prime Captain Marvel.
In AEG Thor fought Thanos after a long lay off of 5 years where he drunk and ate his way into the state he was in. He was definitely rusty, slower, less agile, had less stamina... He was basically a shadow of his former self.

Now prime Thor from the end of IW is a whole different ball game. He had the massive offensive power, durability, fighting skills, flight, absolute control over lighting... enough to rival anyone.

Exactly!

Fat Thor (dual wielding Mjolnir/SB) is probably on par with Ragnarok Thor. Because Thanos kinda wipes the floor with him in both cases.

Nah, I don't agree with that. Fat Thor lost to no stones Thanos in seconds. Ragnarok Thor lost to Thanos with the power stone in an off screen fight. That's not the same thing.

IMO Endgame Thor is a huge step down from the level he was on in Ragnarok.

• he's slower
• his skills have faded
• he didn't show the kind of durability he showed against Hulk/Hela/the power stone/Nidavellir
• he made far less use of his lightning.

Endgame Thor's only advantages are Stormbreaker and Mjolnir but he isn't able to use them anywhere near as effectively as he used to so Stormbreaker can be taken from him.

I'd even bet on the classic MCU Thor with Mjolnir over Fat Thor.

 

[Batmannerism]

Exactly!



Nah, I don't agree with that. Fat Thor lost to no stones Thanos in seconds. Ragnarok Thor lost to Thanos with the power stone in an off screen fight. That's not the same thing.

IMO Endgame Thor is a huge step down from the level he was on in Ragnarok.

• he's slower
• his skills have faded
• he didn't show the kind of durability he showed against Hulk/Hela/the power stone/Nidavellir
• he made far less use of his lightning.

Endgame Thor's only advantages are Stormbreaker and Mjolnir but he isn't able to use them anywhere near as effectively as he used to so Stormbreaker can be taken from him.

I'd even bet on the classic MCU Thor with Mjolnir over Fat Thor.

I think you are downplaying just how deadly Thanos was in EG. In some ways he was almost more dangerous without the stones because he relied on his impressive fighting skills and a weapon he was clearly a master of, and he certainly reacted quicker.

However, I agree that Dude Thor was not as quick or fit as his earlier self but IMO his most serious disability was his clinical depression- in IW he is obsessed with only one thing, killing Thanos, his focus was laser-like. In EG he's a mess of emotions ( mostly regret, self pity and sadness) that would have diminished his fighting abilities more than anything else.

I doubt pre Ragnarok Thor would have beaten EG Thanos as Mjolnir didn't seem to have any serious effect on him other than momentarily stunning him. Thanos was meant to be a threat that the Avengers couldn't defeat without an extraordinary effort or sacrifice.

IW Thor ( with Stormbreaker) vs EG Thanos ( with his big sword) would be close but I think in the end Thanos would take it ( given that his blade could break Cap's shield). I think someone has already posted that Thor nearly killed Thanos at the end of IW because he blindsided him with lightning before following up with Stormbreaker - so I'm still going with EG Thanos.

Captain Marvel vs Thor ? IW Thor wins ( if he uses Stormbreaker's blade) but Dude Thor probably wouldn't even bother, he'd just stay home drinking beer.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

We saw Captain Marvel flying at the speed of light at the end of her film. It is incredibly stupid, I hate the movie for that and many more reasons, but yeah that happened.

Yep, she can match anyone in the DCEU for speed

 

[Stormborn]

I think you are downplaying just how deadly Thanos was in EG. In some ways he was almost more dangerous without the stones because he relied on his impressive fighting skills and a weapon he was clearly a master of, and he certainly reacted quicker.

I don't think I am. He was actually a bit weaker than I was expecting.

I still don't think Thanos got any feats more impressive than what we'd already seen in Infinity War. We already knew he was stronger than Hulk, a skilled combatant and very durable against lightning and blunt force.

In Endgame outclassing a badly out of shape Thor and overpowering Cap with Mjolnir were probably his best feats. He also got a few anti feats in Endgame: he was less skilled than Cap, losing a 1 vs 1 with Scarlet Witch and couldn't hit hard enough to hurt Captain Marvel.

IW Thor ( with Stormbreaker) vs EG Thanos ( with his big sword) would be close but I think in the end Thanos would take it ( given that his blade could break Cap's shield). I think someone has already posted that Thor nearly killed Thanos at the end of IW because he blindsided him with lightning before following up with Stormbreaker - so I'm still going with EG Thanos.

I doubt pre Ragnarok Thor would have beaten EG Thanos as Mjolnir didn't seem to have any serious effect on him other than momentarily stunning him.

My point wasn't that they'd win, just that Ragnarok Thor and even early MCU Thor with Mjolnir would put up a way better fight against Thanos than the fat, alcoholic, out of practice, emotional wreck version of Thor did.

Take away their weapons and I'd say Thanos and Thor in his prime (Ragnarok/Infinity War) are actually fairly close power wise. They're both insanely durable, skilled warriors who hit hard enough to put down Hulk. Thanos is stronger but Thor has his lightning, flight and seems marginally faster.

As for weapons, Thanos' Endgame sword was OP enough to destroy Cap's shield but I still think Stormbreaker's on another level and Thor in his prime would be fast/skilled enough to use it well and put Thanos down.

Infinity Gauntlet Thanos > Stormbreaker Thor > Thanos with his Endgame sword > unarmed Thanos >= Ragnarok Thor

 

[Stormborn]

We saw Captain Marvel flying at the speed of light at the end of her film. It is incredibly stupid, I hate the movie for that and many more reasons, but yeah that happened.

Yep, she can match anyone in the DCEU for speed

Travel speed? Sure, light speed is way faster than anything we've seen in the DCEU.

Reflexes/combat speed? She's not even close to Wonder Woman speed, never mind Flash and Supes. MCU Thanos isn't that quick and he was able to grab her/land hits on her.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Travel speed? Sure, light speed is way faster than anything we've seen in the DCEU.

Reflexes/combat speed? She's not even close to Wonder Woman speed, never mind Flash and Supes. MCU Thanos isn't that quick and he was able to grab her/land hits on her.

But the hits didn’t do anything, I wouldn’t consider Thanos that slow either as he was able to keep up with the likes of Cap and Spider-Man in both movies