Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[psylockolussus]

Why is Marvel so insisted on cramming so much content into so little time? Can they not read the room that keeping up with the MCU is becoming like textbook homework now? I'm not sure why they want to tire out their audience. I know they don't wanna do 10 year arcs anymore but at the same time some of these projects just seem unnecessary. I find myself becoming a casual to this franchise. The last time I was a casual was when phase 1 was happening. For the first time since phase 1, my family & I missed an MCU film in theaters together.

I'm really hyped for Wakanda Forever & that feels like the next big event and important film but I think after that I'll become more casual. Can't say I care about an Agatha show.

A. Disney+

B. There's still many characters and stories to adapt.

I understand that it could be too much but I think I'd prefer 4 films per year than 2. The TV side is a miXed bag, thats the area I want them to slow down.

 

[Iceman]

Black Widow had a great start. Family dynamic was great. But the lame 3rd act and neutering of Taskmaster put it at the bottom of the MCU.

Taskmaster definitely should have been better. Missed opportunity there to put out a great villain.

 

[Iceman]

I think Black Widow is pretty underrated. Sure, it had some problems like most movies do but had a great family dynamic especially with that dinner table scene. Oh and Black Widow’s friend who helps her get stuff. Hope he comes back too.

Yeah, I enjoyed it, especially the family element. Shame we didn’t get the film earlier, at least before she died.

 

[KevTravels]

I recall reading Rhodey was suppose to be Vice-President in Endgame. Anyone have an idea if that figured anything at all for the overall plot or simply just something that added to Rhodey's own character arc?

 

[djsunyc]

I recall reading Rhodey was suppose to be Vice-President in Endgame. Anyone have an idea if that figured anything at all for the overall plot or simply just something that added to Rhodey's own character arc?

my guess...rhodey is a skrull and he is infiltrating the us gov't as a politician. he's aging out as a hero so this is another way to use him.

and with william hurt passing away, he could be a thunderbolt ross replacement.

 

[Iceman]

my guess...rhodey is a skrull and he is infiltrating the us gov't as a politician. he's aging out as a hero so this is another way to use him.

and with william hurt passing away, he could be a thunderbolt ross replacement.

Just a bit risky IMO as it would undermine all his contributions to date and his friendship with Stark, especially as he passed.

 

[Iceman]

I could see how some people might see Red Guardian as-is to be too much of a walking symbol of Soviet/Russian nationalism for right now though. I wonder if that might affect what they do with him.

If they did use him any further I think they’d be very careful on that front.

 

[Dcs72]

If they did use him any further I think they’d be very careful on that front.

I could easily see them steering away from plots involving Eastern Europe for the time being.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

A. Disney+

B. There's still many characters and stories to adapt.

I understand that it could be too much but I think I'd prefer 4 films per year than 2. The TV side is a miXed bag, thats the area I want them to slow down.

My main problem with the sheer amount of content is "there's so friggin much yet none of it is allowed to be X-men for some reason". The amount of screen time we are gonna have to get through (if you were to watch the MCU from beginning to end) before any X-men show up at all is gonna be enormous.

 

[Albright]

Watched Guardians Vol. 2 yesterday and was again impressed by the VFX. This looks so much better than MoM or T L&T.
And there are clearly not much scenes shot on location. Maybe the screen stage for Mandalorian works for gritty Star Wars visuals, but not for colorful worlds and dimensions in the MCU.
I have hopes for BP2 cause they‘ve obviously filmed outside and the colorfulness will come through costumes and not multiversal worlds

 

[Iceman]

My main problem with the sheer amount of content is "there's so friggin much yet none of it is allowed to be X-men for some reason". The amount of screen time we are gonna have to get through (if you were to watch the MCU from beginning to end) before any X-men show up at all is gonna be enormous.

Even the end of Phase 6 isn't too far away now given the rate they are motoring. X-Men are pretty much guaranteed to be the huge thing in Phase 7 (and onwards) when the MCU is done with the multiverse saga.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Even the end of Phase 6 isn't too far away now given the rate they are motoring. X-Men are pretty much guaranteed to be the huge thing in Phase 7 (and onwards) when the MCU is done with the multiverse saga.

Well, in terms of real time it's not as far away as phase 3 was back when phase 1 was happening, but in terms of screen time we're gonna have to go through a lot more hours of stuff to get from Endgame to X-men than we had between Iron Man and Endgame.

 

[Iceman]

Well, in terms of real time it's not as far away as phase 3 was back when phase 1 was happening, but in terms of screen time we're gonna have to go through a lot more hours of stuff to get from Endgame to X-men than we had between Iron Man and Endgame.

That's true, and we need the quality of the shows to improve to make that worthwhile. I'm not put off by the quantity if the quality is there. Is it too much overall content for you in general regardless of quality?

 

[Mr. Peanut]

That's true, and we need the quality of the shows to improve to make that worthwhile. I'm not put off by the quantity if the quality is there. Is it too much overall content for you in general regardless of quality?

Well the higher the quality the better, but I'll still be thinking "man why can't the X-men get in on any of this high quality content?"

Like Agatha, Wonder Man, and Echo's shows might be the greatest things ever and I'll watch them and enjoy them but in the back of my head I'll still be thinking about how much infinitely more interested I am in finding out what the hell Rogue, Gambit, or Storm are doing right now.

 

[Venom 1988]

Well the higher the quality the better, but I'll still be thinking "man why can't the X-men get in on any of this high quality content?"

Like Agatha, Wonder Man, and Echo's shows might be the greatest things ever and I'll watch them and enjoy them but in the back of my head I'll still be thinking about how much infinitely more interested I am in finding out what the hell Rogue, Gambit, or Storm are doing right now.

Well if the rumored reports are true, the reason they can't make a X-Men movie/show now is because they'll be saddled with the Fox producers like Simon Kinberg.

 

[Iceman]

Well the higher the quality the better, but I'll still be thinking "man why can't the X-men get in on any of this high quality content?"

Like Agatha, Wonder Man, and Echo's shows might be the greatest things ever and I'll watch them and enjoy them but in the back of my head I'll still be thinking about how much infinitely more interested I am in finding out what the hell Rogue, Gambit, or Storm are doing right now.

The X-Men are so much bigger that they would really benefit from the start of a new Phase (past all this multiverse stuff) so they can be the primary focus. That way they can launch like Avengers and lead to tons of spinoffs and shows like the rest of the MCU has. These Fox rights came in while the MCU was already at full speed and had so many plans laid out for these phases. But since they arrived, I'm sure their future has been progressively planned out and we are very soon going to get to the good stuff and the mutant takeover my friend.

 

[Prison Mike]

Just saw Thor: Love and Thunder, so I updated my rankings for Phase IV (just have Ms. Marvel left):

1. Spider-Man NWH
2. Thor: Love and Thunder
3. Shang-Chi
4. WandaVision
5. Doctor Strange MoM
6. Moon Knight
7. Loki
8. Black Widow
9. Hawkeye
10. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
11. Eternals
12. What If…

 

[psylockolussus]

Just saw Thor: Love and Thunder, so I updated my rankings for Phase IV (just have Ms. Marvel left):

1. Spider-Man NWH
2. Thor: Love and Thunder
3. Shang-Chi
4. WandaVision
5. Doctor Strange MoM
6. Moon Knight
7. Loki
8. Black Widow
9. Hawkeye
10. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
11. Eternals
12. What If…

Don't forget She Hulk: Attorney at Law and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever!

 

[NeverReadComics]

Mine…

1. Thor: Love and Thunder
   
2. Spider-Man NWH
3. Shang-Chi
4. Loki
5. Doctor Strange MoM
6. WandaVision
7. Ms Marvel
8. Hawkeye
   
9. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
10. Moon Knight
11. She Hulk
12. Eternals
13. Black Widow
14. What If…

 

[Prison Mike]

Don't forget She Hulk: Attorney at Law and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever!

Yup. Probably going to wait until She-Hulk is over and then will binge. Currently going through Ms. Marvel, I’m about 2 episodes in.

 

[Prison Mike]

Finished Ms. Marvel. Here is my updated list…

1. Spider-Man NWH
2. Thor: Love and Thunder
3. Shang-Chi
4. WandaVision
5. Doctor Strange MoM
6. Moon Knight
7. Loki
8. Black Widow
9. Hawkeye
10. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
11. Ms. Marvel
12. Eternals
13. What If…

 

[djsunyc]

Just a bit risky IMO as it would undermine all his contributions to date and his friendship with Stark, especially as he passed.

i think it's risky with any of the old guard to be a skrull but it would add some gravitas. maybe the retcon and say rhodey actually died at some point after vision shot him out of the sky and a skrull replaced him in civil war?

but now that i think of it - if he has his own show in armor wars, then i doubt he ends up a skrull.

 

[First Avenger]

Just saw Thor: Love and Thunder, so I updated my rankings for Phase IV (just have Ms. Marvel left):

1. Spider-Man NWH
2. Thor: Love and Thunder
3. Shang-Chi
4. WandaVision
5. Doctor Strange MoM
6. Moon Knight
7. Loki
8. Black Widow
9. Hawkeye
10. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
11. Eternals
12. What If…

Multiverse of Madness
No Way Home
Shang-Chi
Thor Love and Thunder
Eternals
Black Widow

Loki
Wandavision
Moon Knight
Hawkeye
Ms Marvel
Falcon and Winter Soldier
What if

Honestly enjoyed them all to different degrees.

 

[NeverReadComics]

I’m rewatching Phase 4 films and I have to say it really was a bit of a mess.

I read somewhere online that the main point of this phase was to allow the MCU to expand into all the others areas from the comics from the multiverse to magic to gods to celestials as well as the more grounded stories, meanwhile Feige talked about the phase being about grief.

However the net result has been a mess. I think they would’ve been better off picking one or two of those elements and focusing on them rather than doing everything at once.

So as not to just criticise without offering alternatives this is what I would’ve done.

I would’ve focused on two themes: the fall out from Phases 1-3 and the multiverse.

And here’s how I’d do it….

Black Widow I would’ve had her wake up in the soul universe and used the film to go back over key moments of her life including the Red Room (as depicted in Age of Ultron). It would’ve been more of a psychological drama; a kind of Scrooge/It’s A Wonderful Life meets Red Sparrow meets The Seventh Seal type thing. It also would’ve introduced us to the multiverse because we’d see a different Natasha who grown up in different circumstances and that is how we’d get to meet Yelena.

Shang-Chi basically the same movie but when he’s working as a valet Tony Stark drops off his car. Tony Stark is a playboy, arms dealer. It’s a parallel universe. That one scene puts to bed questions about “where were you for Thanos?” that has plagued every new hero in Phase 4 (who had their powers when Thanos turned up). Speaking of which….

Eternals I wouldn’t have touched it and instead introduced them in Phase 7 or whenever probably as the basis for introducing the Xmen.

So there’s a space for a movie here and I’d probably have either turned Loki into a movie or made Guardians of the Galaxy 3, the Marvels or Ant Man 3 to round those out in this phase - this would’ve kept it sufficiently connected to the previous phases to stop it from becoming disconnected. Any of those movies did or could expand on the multiverse whilst developing established characters and returning us to the “original” universe after Shang-Chi.

On balance I’d probably have gone for GofG as that could’ve also continued Thor’s development without needing to go down the path of Love and Thunder.

Spider-Man and Dr Strange wouldn’t need to change much.

Thor Love and Thunder on balance I’d have folded this into GofG3 and then added one of the other movies above to the slate. Also no gods. It would need to explore the multiverse. That’s the theme we’re building to.

As for the TV shows:

WandaVision: wouldn’t change

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier: also wouldn’t change.

Loki actually would’ve kept it as a TV show.

What if would’ve really tied all this together even better

Hawkeye ditto. No change.

Moon Knight wouldn’t have made it. They needed to have something that built on the above themes rather than introducing gods.

Ms Marvel why not but on only on the basis that the Noor dimension follows the same rules as the rest of the multiverse. The same with Ta Lo in Shang-Chi.

She Hulk again why not but try and tie it back to the multiverse somehow perhaps by having Hulk working on that on side (rather than heading off to space).

These small changes I think would’ve made the phase more connected.

 

[Originalavenger]

Let’s just call it a “palette” cleansing!! Black panther 2 and believe starts phase 5!! So n 6 weeks we can start anew