Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Detective Conan]

^^ No Fantastic Four in there?

 

[Web-Head]

Here's what we're looking at for the next 2-3 years...
Black Widow - May 2020
Eternals - November 2020

Black Panther 2 - Feb 2021
Doctor Strange 2 - May 2021
(Spider-Man 3 - July 2021?)
Shang Chi - November 2021

This is where things get a little more unclear and mostly just my speculation
Captain Marvel 2 - Feb 2022
Guardians 3 - July 2022
Ant-Man 3 will probably be a 2022 release too
I could see Spider-Man being a 2022 release instead of 2021, but again, just speculation. Either way, we're probably getting 4 MCU movies in '21 or '22

 

[psylockolussus]

^^ No Fantastic Four in there?

The list that I wrote is quite long and I'm not yet sure if a FF film would be a priority especially with all the sequels, an inevitable X-Men reboot and Shang Chi, Eternals and Black Widows headlining their own film.

 

[Detective Conan]

The list that I wrote is quite long and I'm not yet sure if a FF film would be a priority especially with all the sequels, an inevitable X-Men reboot and Shang Chi, Eternals and Black Widows headlining their own film.

I personally think we'll see a Fantastic Four movie in the MCU before we see the X-Men especially if Dark Phoenix gets released in theaters. The FF is more easier to introduce into the universe than the mutants are and it will have been many years since the last movie was released.

 

[psylockolussus]

FF is easier to introduce but with the newer heroes headlining their own films and making it big at the box office and the Avengers getting larger in numbers and with Shang Chi/Eternals making an appearance soon. They can save the others like for the 2030s, and thats if they plan to give them their own film. I think Marvel will sit out the FF for now, there's so many other characters that they can use, and those previous three FF films will definitely be a factor. The X-Men, like Spider-Man, I bet they can't wait to use them and make their own X-Men films. The X-Men would be the bigger priority also because they are more profitable than the Fantastic Four and the X-Men is just bigger. I doubt mind waiting for the Fantastic Four until 2030 when the others finally completed their own trilogy.

 

[psylockolussus]

My guess is 2020: Black Widow and Eternals
2021: Black Panther 2, Doctor Strange 2, Shang-Chi and maybe even Spidey 3

After that is anybody's guess for now, but 2022 will probably have Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3 and another new property; hopefully F4

I doubt we'll get another new property in 2022 if they just launched films for 3 properties under a single mcu phase in just 2 years, unless its the X-Men. beyond those three could be a bit too much especially sequel/s for Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be on their way and of course the occasional Avengers film will be in the mix as well. I also won't be surprised by 2022/2023, if they are already developing a sequel for Shang Chi/Black Widow/Eternals. Imo, it just seems they have a lot of their plate and FF can be saved for another time/year/decade. The sequels would take longer than usual to release, if they keep giving us new properties because Marvel would have more other things to focus on. I'm already feeling that with Dr. Strange 2 since the first film is turning 3 this year and there's still no definite release date for the sequel, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get Ant-Man 3 five years after Ant-Man 2.

 

[Web-Head]

I doubt we'll get another new property in 2022 if they just launched films for 3 properties under a single mcu phase in just 2 years, unless its the X-Men. beyond those three could be a bit too much especially sequel/s for Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be on their way and of course the occasional Avengers film will be in the mix as well. I also won't be surprised by 2022/2023, if they are already developing a sequel for Shang Chi/Black Widow/Eternals. Imo, it just seems they have a lot of their plate and FF can be saved for another time/year/decade. The sequels would take longer than usual to release, if they keep giving us new properties because Marvel would have more other things to focus on. I'm already feeling that with Dr. Strange 2 since the first film is turning 3 this year and there's still no definite release date for the sequel, and I wouldn't be surprised if we get Ant-Man 3 five years Ant-Man 2.

You're right. Ant-Man 3 will probably be the other 2022 release

 

[CaptainWagner]

So Scott Derrickson went and restarted the Namor talk today. I don't think it in any way implied that he actually plans to introduce him in a Strange movie, but it raises the point... I think it's inevitable we see Namor within the near future, whether as part of the FF relaunch or an antagonist for Black Panther. So now I've been thinking up casting options...

Rami Malek

Luke Evans

Chris Pang

Manny Jacinto

 

[Web-Head]

I definitely want an Asian Namor, but I'd love to see Rami and Luke Evans in the MCU eventually

 

[dominick1216]

I would lose my mind if we get four films in 2021! And it looks like it could possibly happen, I can't see where else Spider-Man 3 could go other than a July 2021 release date.

 

[Detective Conan]

FF is easier to introduce but with the newer heroes headlining their own films and making it big at the box office and the Avengers getting larger in numbers and with Shang Chi/Eternals making an appearance soon. They can save the others like for the 2030s, and thats if they plan to give them their own film. I think Marvel will sit out the FF for now, there's so many other characters that they can use, and those previous three FF films will definitely be a factor. The X-Men, like Spider-Man, I bet they can't wait to use them and make their own X-Men films. The X-Men would be the bigger priority also because they are more profitable than the Fantastic Four and the X-Men is just bigger. I doubt mind waiting for the Fantastic Four until 2030 when the others finally completed their own trilogy.

Spider-Man is not a great example since the circumstances surrounding Marvel getting access to him are drastically different than Marvel finally getting access to the Mutants & the Four.

Marvel has yet to get full access to Spider-Man and had to rush out a film out faster than they would've liked because the another studio(Sony) already owned the rights and they had to work within their desire timetable in order to get Spider-Man. That's not going to be the case with the Fox-deal which is very different in nature than the Sony deal and much more optimal for Marvel Studios time-wise. Unlike the deal they have with Sony; the Fox deal will grant Marvel complete and unlimited access to Fantastic Four and X-Men so they won't be under pressure to meet a deadline to introduce them and can take their time.

And by the time 2021 rolls around it would already have been seven years since the last FF film flamed out(pun intended). That's a long time - which isn't something you can say about the X-Men which is still an active film franchise with a movie slated to be released on June of this year(if it does get released) so the X-Men will probably come after FF.

 

[psylockolussus]

I say wait ten years after Fant4stic, so 2025. Imo, they need to complete the other trilogies first before committing to a FF film. Yeah Spider-Man, Ant-Man and Gotg would complete theirs in the next 5 years but here comes Black Widow, Eternals, Shang Chi.

 

[Heretic]

I say wait ten years after Fant4stic, so 2025. Imo, they need to complete the other trilogies first before committing to a FF film. Yeah Spider-Man, Ant-Man and Gotg would complete theirs in the next 5 years but here comes Black Widow, Eternals, Shang Chi.

Aside from people liking the word "trilogy," can you explain why a franchise needs to "complete" at 3 films?

 

[Web-Head]

I don't see Widow getting a trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised if her film is a one off like TIH

 

[Detective Conan]

I don't see Widow getting a trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised if her film is a one off like TIH

I can definitely see Widow getting a trilogy especially if the first film is successful enough. TIH was not meant to be a one-off since the reason we haven't gotten a Hulk trilogy like we had with say Iron Man, Thor, and Cap is because of the under performance of TIH as well as the distribution rights being with Universal. Black Widow by comparison is in a much better position seeing as both Marvel/Disney have both production and distribution rights to BW as well as her being a popular long-stay of the MCU enough to make her solo film high in demand for many.

 

[Web-Head]

I can definitely see Widow getting a trilogy especially if the first film is successful enough. TIH was not meant to be a one-off since the reason we haven't gotten a Hulk trilogy like we had with say Iron Man, Thor, and Cap is because of the under performance of TIH as well as the distribution rights being with Universal. Black Widow by comparison is in a much better position seeing as both Marvel/Disney have both production and distribution rights to BW as well as her being a popular long-stay of the MCU enough to make her solo film high in demand for many.

But it's most likely a prequel, so why? Maybe it's just because I don't really want nor see the point in having a Black Widow trilogy. I'm looking forward to her movie, but I still don't think a trilogy is necessary and not every MCU movie needs its own franchise

 

[psylockolussus]

Aside from people liking the word "trilogy," can you explain why a franchise needs to "complete" at 3 films?

Captain America, Thor, Iron Man got a trilogy and with the success of the rest, that guarantees a trilogy. Is there a solo Mcu film #1 already released that didnt get a sequel or will not get a sequel? None right. And I doubt Marvel Stud10s will not pursue a third movie for Capt. Marvel, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and Black Panther. And when I said complete, a trilogy seems to be the pattern with Marvel solo films.

Black Widow might not get a sequel, and I only mentioned Eternals and Shang Chi about possibly getting sequels in the previous page. But if it does really well, like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, a sequel is guaranteed and would probably take place in the present times.

 

[samsnee]

The one thing I hope the next phase of the movies do is be more self contained with no connections to the Avengers franchise. Ant-man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel felt like homework to me. Yes, they didn't directly connect to the IW, but because IW was such a huge event, you felt had to watch it in order to find more clues.

I'm looking forward to Shazam! more than either of those two, because I know I'm getting a relatively self-contained story that isn't building toward anything.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The one thing I hope the next phase of the movies do is be more self contained with no connections to the Avengers franchise. Ant-man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel felt like homework to me. Yes, they didn't directly connect to the IW, but because IW was such a huge event, you felt had to watch it in order to find more clues.

I'm looking forward to Shazam! more than either of those two, because I know I'm getting a relatively self-contained story that isn't building toward anything.

Marvel's strategy may be annoying, but it works. My wife and I weren't real into Captain Marvel, but we decided not to wait for it on video because Endgame is coming in April.

In fact, that relates to the discussion we've often had in terms of how many films Marvel should do per year. If they did one film every two months, would they have a guaranteed audience who would feel compelled to go every 60 days, or would fans say "too much"?

 

[Web-Head]

The one thing I hope the next phase of the movies do is be more self contained with no connections to the Avengers franchise. Ant-man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel felt like homework to me. Yes, they didn't directly connect to the IW, but because IW was such a huge event, you felt had to watch it in order to find more clues.

I'm looking forward to Shazam! more than either of those two, because I know I'm getting a relatively self-contained story that isn't building toward anything.

I think they will, especially if you look at the slate.
Widow - likely a prequel that shouldn't connect to anything
Eternals - might set up future things, but likely contained
Shang -Chi - same thing. It'll be focused on him and his world

There won't be some big Avengers type event building towards (that we know of)

 

[Heretic]

Captain America, Thor, Iron Man got a trilogy and with the success of the rest, that guarantees a trilogy. Is there a solo Mcu film #1 already released that didnt get a sequel or will not get a sequel? None right. And I doubt Marvel Stud10s will not pursue a third movie for Capt. Marvel, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man and Black Panther. And when I said complete, a trilogy seems to be the pattern with Marvel solo films.

Black Widow might not get a sequel, and I only mentioned Eternals and Shang Chi about possibly getting sequels in the previous page. But if it does really well, like Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, a sequel is guaranteed and would probably take place in the present times.

See, what I'm saying is...why is a trilogy the expectation? These characters have been around longer than most of us have been alive...some have been around far less than others...and yet 3 is the exact right number of films for all of them? Not 4...not 2...always a "trilogy?" I see no real reason for this besides that fact that people like the word trilogy. I'd like for Marvel to tell the stories that best further their universe and entertain people. If that is 2 Dr Strange movies or 7 hardly matters to me...the idea of it fitting into a trilogy is not even a factor in my mind.

And Hulk has not gotten a sequel to his first MCU film.

 

[psylockolussus]

I already said that a trilogy seems to be their pattern. A trilogy is not what I preferred but an assumption due to their track record. Hulk is THE obvious exception unless you are unaware of the Universal situation. Iron Man, Thor and Captain America aren't getting a fourth film so I don't expect the others to get a 4th film. Simple as that. You have a problem with Marvel limiting the solo films to a trilogy, don't direct it to me.

 

[Heretic]

No...I just think its silly that so many fans expect a trilogy to be the standard...and never seem to have any real reason to support why that is. EVERY franchise, not just the MCU, is talked about in expected trilogy terms...and I find it ridiculous. It's a silly argument either way, my own side included.

And you said that NO MCU movie hasnt gotten a sequel...and when I pointed out Hulk, you called that the obvious exception because of a good reason. 1 because of a good reason is not the same as 0. Not a big deal, just sayin.

**EDITED because has and hasnt are two very different things and I dont want to incorrectly describe the stance.

 

[Boom]

So just to recap, these are the only films confirmed for Phase 4 thus far?

Black Panther 2
Black Widow
Doctor Strange 2
The Eternals
Shang-Chi
Spider-Man: Far From Home

Meanwhile, I expect Captain Marvel 2 is a no-brainer, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is sort of floating in limbo.

 

[Web-Head]

So just to recap, these are the only films confirmed for Phase 4 thus far?

Black Panther 2
Black Widow
Doctor Strange 2
The Eternals
Shang-Chi
Spider-Man: Far From Home

Meanwhile, I expect Captain Marvel 2 is a no-brainer, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is sort of floating in limbo.

Pretty much, yeah. I'd imagine Ant-Man 3 would be another as well as Spidey 3